Tourney How many chips needed for color-ups? (1 Viewer)

[dparenti13]

How many chips do I need to color-up in a tournament?

I’m planning to do a 12/12/5/6 starting stack, and have a 400pc tournament set with the following breakdowns:

T25 x 125
T100 x 125
T500 x 50
T1000 x 75
T5000 x 25

How many chips do I really need to color up the 25s and 100s if I have the players buy up eachother’s chips? It seems like I might be a bit short on 500s..

Planning on single table tournaments with 8 players max.

 

[RedDirtBo]

I don't play tournaments, but here is a good video on coloring up from a forum member.

 

[buffalojim]

How many chips do I need to color-up in a tournament?

I’m planning to do a 12/12/5/6 starting stack, and have a 400pc tournament set with the following breakdowns:

T25 x 125
T100 x 125
T500 x 50
T1000 x 75
T5000 x 25

How many chips do I really need to color up the 25s and 100s if I have the players buy up eachother’s chips? It seems like I might be a bit short on 500s..

Planning on single table tournaments with 8 players max.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/12-12-5-6-vs-8-8-8-5.55276/post-1063794

Works just perfect. You do not need more 500s, 50 is perfect for 10 players.

 

[upNdown]

You should figure it out for yourself.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk or to be unhelpful. But that's the best way to learn. And if you're actually running a tournament, it would be real helpful to have that kind of self-taught knowledge behind the numbers.

 

[Natskule]

How many chips do I need to color-up in a tournament?

I’m planning to do a 12/12/5/6 starting stack, and have a 400pc tournament set with the following breakdowns:

T25 x 125
T100 x 125
T500 x 50
T1000 x 75
T5000 x 25

How many chips do I really need to color up the 25s and 100s if I have the players buy up eachother’s chips? It seems like I might be a bit short on 500s..

Planning on single table tournaments with 8 players max.

12 chips @25 with 8 players = 2400, so 5 500s, or 3 1000s
12 chips @100 with 8 players = 9,600, so 10 1000s or 2 5000s

 

[Taghkanic]

Correct answer is MOAR

 

[allforcharity]

You use the 15 extra T1k to do all the T25/T100 colour ups. You can do it with T500 if you had extra, but you don't, and a lot of people still wouldn't.

 

[JustinInMN]

How many chips do I really need to color up the 25s and 100s if I have the players buy up eachother’s chips? It seems like I might be a bit short on 500s..

I wouldn't be bringing in more t500s anyway.

Definitely watch the video from @Chris Manzoni that @RedDirtBo posted. He suggests you just bring in the T5000 chips when you color up.

(Short explanation get one player to buy all the t25 chips and then take that plus extra change to make 5000)

You can do the same with t1000 instead of you prefer.

But once you decide on that. It's pretty straight forward to figure out how many extra high denoms you need. Jus total the value of the chips coming out of play (15k) and figure out which high denoms equal that.

In your case you can do all your color ups with a total of 3 t5000 or 15 t1000 chips.

 

[BGinGA]

I wouldn't be bringing in more t500s...

...get one player to buy all the t25 chips and then...

...do all your color ups with a total of 3 t5000 or 15 t1000 chips.

^ This. And you will need those extra T1000s in play later on, so add 'em during the color-up process. No need to add extra 100, T500, or T5000 chips.

 

[ekricket]

Your colorup chip amounts should cover the value of all the denominations below it.

If you are coloring up to 100’s, you need to cover the value of your 25’s.

If you are coloring up to 1000’s you need to cover the value of all the 100’s and 500’s.

Etc…..

 

[Salbino]

How many chips do I need to color-up in a tournament?

I’m planning to do a 12/12/5/6 starting stack, and have a 400pc tournament set with the following breakdowns:

T25 x 125
T100 x 125
T500 x 50
T1000 x 75
T5000 x 25

How many chips do I really need to color up the 25s and 100s if I have the players buy up eachother’s chips? It seems like I might be a bit short on 500s..

Planning on single table tournaments with 8 players max.

Sorry for late reply.

I round up. For example, 3x 25s and 3x T100s (325) would be rounded up to 500. If I'm using T1k to color up, then I would take 3x T25, 3x T100, 1x T500 (825) from the player and give them 1x T1k.

Some people “race off” to deal with odd number chips but rounding up is just easier for me.

I’ve had good success with using 1.5x as the factor for how many chips are needed for coloring up because again I round up so the exact value usually doesn’t work.

Example:
12x T25 for 8 people => 96*25 = 2400
12x T100 for 8 people => 96*100 = 9600
9600 + 2400 = 12000 x 1.5 = 18000

So you need 18x T1k. to color up all T25 & T100 for one 8 player table using the rounding up method. You're already handing out (6x8) 48 T1k for starting stacks which leaves 27x T1k so you have more than enough to color up even when rounding.

I also use this factor when I'm calculating how many chips/denoms are needed for a chip set.

***I'm no where near as knowledgeable as many on this site so I'm open to critiques if anyone sees any flaws

edit: forgot to multiply by 1.5! lol

 

[drdr]

I don't play tournaments, but here is a good video on coloring up from a forum member.

Ha!
My mob would totally game this. Would ensure they keep a single chip behind to get rounded up the most possible.
Guess could be fun to try to angle other people on chip changing to reduce how much they get rounded up.
/no rounding up in my game

 

[Salbino]

Ha!
My mob would totally game this. Would ensure they keep a single chip behind to get rounded up the most possible.
Guess could be fun to try to angle other people on chip changing to reduce how much they get rounded up.
/no rounding up in my game

Not enough advantage to matter. Not to say people won't try to hold one to one last chip but whats the most they gain +400 in chips? Our starting stacks are 20K so some of the larger stacks could be like 40-50K by the time we are coloring up T100's. So gaining an extra 400 in chips isn't going to matter much

 

[philhut]

Your colorup chip amounts should cover the value of all the denominations below it.

If you are coloring up to 100’s, you need to cover the value of your 25’s.

If you are coloring up to 1000’s you need to cover the value of all the 100’s and 500’s.

Etc…..

Technically though you really only need enough 100's to cover odd #'s of 25's less than 500, or you pay out the balance in 2x up in chip denom so if paying out t25's then you can use t500's (or even 1ks) and t100's. Generally at least 1 player will have 500 worth of t25 chips.... I do not like to take chips from players stacks so I keep at least 1 barrel (usually 2 barrels) of the +1 above denom of each denomination over t25 to cover this variance. This way there is never any image of a dealer shuffling chips in and out of players stacks except in obvious colour ups. At my games I buy all of the players chips as the director, I do not have the big stack buy out the other players. There was a conflict where someone thought chips got mixed up and I avoid this now. So each player puts there low denom chips forward and are individually chipped up with remainders raced or rounded up depending on the agreed rules. Chip counts are never an issue since I always have way way to many.

 

[philhut]

Not enough advantage to matter. Not to say people won't try to hold one to one last chip but whats the most they gain +400 in chips? Our starting stacks are 20K so some of the larger stacks could be like 40-50K by the time we are coloring up T100's. So gaining an extra 400 in chips isn't going to matter much

I always plot to save the last chip..
. Players who know me love raising to say 425 preflop when the blind is 75/150 knowing I will either play along or fold, I am so predictable at the end....but darn it I want that 4x multiplier if rounding up chips.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Take the chips you'd want to color up, add them together. If it's T25s and T100s.... The 25s is 3125 and the hundos is 12500... So 15,625... Make sure your higher denoms (500s and 1ks) have 16,000 more in the bank above your start up stacks. If ya need more hundos for the 25 color up, add 20-30 hundos into that count.

Voila.

 

[PlaidDragon]

How many chips do I need to color-up in a tournament?

I’m planning to do a 12/12/5/6 starting stack, and have a 400pc tournament set with the following breakdowns:

T25 x 125
T100 x 125
T500 x 50
T1000 x 75
T5000 x 25

How many chips do I really need to color up the 25s and 100s if I have the players buy up eachother’s chips? It seems like I might be a bit short on 500s..

Planning on single table tournaments with 8 players max.

Your set can field up to 10 players which leaves plenty of leeway if you only plan on having 8.

You do not need any more 500s given they shouldn't be coloring up anything.

Your 1000s can sufficiently color up your 25s & 100s.

Generally I like my top 2 denoms to be able to cover the whole of all buy ins; thus, you are fine there as well even if you allow a rebuy.

Though there is never anything wrong with MOAR CHIPZ, your set will be fine, as is, for the format you described.

 

[drdr]

Not enough advantage to matter. Not to say people won't try to hold one to one last chip but whats the most they gain +400 in chips? Our starting stacks are 20K so some of the larger stacks could be like 40-50K by the time we are coloring up T100's. So gaining an extra 400 in chips isn't going to matter much

Probably right for your structure.
I run T5 with 1500 starting stacks. Let's see...

Colour up of 5s gives max of +20 or 1.33% of start stack. Pretty small, not a worry.
Colour up of 25s gives max of +75 or 5% of starting stack. That's a bit more interesting. If short stacked the % gain is larger

But as you were saying, by that stage stacks are larger, so % or average stack size may be a better measure than % of starting stack.

Or perhaps comparing to BBs.? Removing 25s happens at 100/200. +75 is 0.375 of a BB. Still pretty small.

But... there was that one epic game where a player had only one 25 chip and won the tournament. One off, though.

So you're right I think, advantage is pretty small. But, not rounding up is normal for me and hasn't been a hassle. I'll probably keep not rounding up.