Tourney Starting stack - in home tournament / cash game (2 Viewers)

[g3lo]

Hi all,

I reviewed Chris's video of starting stack for both cash and tournament game.

For tournament he recommends the following for 10 player game starting stack

8 x T25
8 x T100
6 x T500
6 x T1000
2 x T5000

he states that you only need the following denominations for starter set

80 x T25
80 x T100
60 x T500
60 x T1000
40 x T5000

If I wanted to incorporate T25,000 and T100,000 how would I incorporate it to understand how many I need in my tournament set. I am planning to order chips and want to figure out what I need. Given most do it in quantities of 25 I am thinking the following:

100 x T25
100 x T100
75 x T100
75 x T500
50 x T5000
25 x T25000
25 x T100000

Thoughts? How would I approach similar for cash set with the following denominations in play:

5 cents
25 cents
$1
$5
$20
$100

 

[springbox]

You probably don't need more than 10 or so T25k and no T100k for a tournament that starts with stacks of 20k and T25 chips, unless you have a huge player count. Better to start with some questions (How many players? How many re-buys? Any add ons? What base chip? What's starting stack size?) and once you have those answered you'll get better responses.

With 450 chips, for T25 up to 10 players, and chips must be in multiples of 25, I'd say 100/100/75/75/100 of T25/T100/T500/T1k/T5k. Even if you have 1 rebuy per player, you're only hitting 400k in play which the T5ks already cover.

Cash set is totally different because the blinds don't change. You're not going to be hosting a game where both a nickel and $100 chip see play at the same time. Once again, thinking about your parameters (Number of players? Blinds? Average buy-in? Number of buy-ins per player?) will give you better questions to ask. Oh, and of course what your budget is.

If you're planning to play 5c/10c, a generic set recommendation is 100x5c / 200x25c / 200x$1 / 100x$5. $750 in bank means you can play $5 to $25 buy-ins with plenty for each player, and $50 if re-buys aren't very frequent. Or cut 25 of the $5s and make them $20s to stretch the bank a bit farther. For reference my cash set is 100x5c / 200x25c / 300x$1 / 300x$5 / 100x$20 / 10x$100, and I have yet to host a game that needed the $20 or $100 to see play, even at $50 buy-ins.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

Doing some quick math, at T20K stacks you’d need over 100 buy-ins before really considering T100Ks.

While I’m at it: Chris, do you look up your own name or lurk the Tournaments/Cash Game category to thumbs up posts which mention your videos or neither? I’ve only seen one other post you liked and it was one of mine mentioning your starting stacks video and that was a while ago.

 

[Kentucky]

@springbox is exactly right.

Shhh…. Don’t tell anyone here but you really only need 3 denominations to play poker if each chip is 4-5x the last. A blinds chip, a workhorse chip (for most betting on the early streets) and a store of value (for bigger bets on later streets). If you play super deep, say more than 200 big blind stacks, it can make sense to have a fourth, bigger chip. But that bigger chip will be 40-50BB by itself, so you won’t need many.

Now tournaments are a little different because the blinds increase as you go. But really, you still only need 3 chips at any one time. As the blinds increase to the point that the second chip is now the small blind we chip up and remove the previous blind chip from play and can replace it with a small number of the new value store chip (or super value chip).

 

[g3lo]

You probably don't need more than 10 or so T25k and no T100k for a tournament that starts with stacks of 20k and T25 chips, unless you have a huge player count. Better to start with some questions (How many players? How many re-buys? Any add ons? What base chip? What's starting stack size?) and once you have those answered you'll get better responses.

With 450 chips, for T25 up to 10 players, and chips must be in multiples of 25, I'd say 100/100/75/75/100 of T25/T100/T500/T1k/T5k. Even if you have 1 rebuy per player, you're only hitting 400k in play which the T5ks already cover.

Cash set is totally different because the blinds don't change. You're not going to be hosting a game where both a nickel and $100 chip see play at the same time. Once again, thinking about your parameters (Number of players? Blinds? Average buy-in? Number of buy-ins per player?) will give you better questions to ask. Oh, and of course what your budget is.

If you're planning to play 5c/10c, a generic set recommendation is 100x5c / 200x25c / 200x$1 / 100x$5. $750 in bank means you can play $5 to $25 buy-ins with plenty for each player, and $50 if re-buys aren't very frequent. Or cut 25 of the $5s and make them $20s to stretch the bank a bit farther. For reference my cash set is 100x5c / 200x25c / 300x$1 / 300x$5 / 100x$20 / 10x$100, and I have yet to host a game that needed the $20 or $100 to see play, even at $50 buy-ins.

Thank you so much. Put a lot of things in perspective.

 

[Preditor]

Hi all,

I reviewed Chris's video of starting stack for both cash and tournament game.

For tournament he recommends the following for 10 player game starting stack

8 x T25
8 x T100
6 x T500
6 x T1000
2 x T5000

he states that you only need the following denominations for starter set

80 x T25
80 x T100
60 x T500
60 x T1000
40 x T5000

If I wanted to incorporate T25,000 and T100,000 how would I incorporate it to understand how many I need in my tournament set. I am planning to order chips and want to figure out what I need. Given most do it in quantities of 25 I am thinking the following:

100 x T25
100 x T100
75 x T100
75 x T500
50 x T5000
25 x T25000
25 x T100000

Thoughts? How would I approach similar for cash set with the following denominations in play:

5 cents
25 cents
$1
$5
$20
$100

Chris Manzoni’s video is great. But after my own experimentation and research on the forum, I would recommend you adopt a 8/8/4/7 starting stack over 8/8/6/6.

Why? A T500 Chip is a bit of an anomaly. You never need more than one T500 chip per bet. Betting 600? One T500. Betting 1800? One T500.

As such, it makes sense to have fewest T500s (4) and an extra of what WILL be the workhorse chip once the T100s go away (the T1k).

Regarding higher denom chips, I regularly play in 40-50 person tourneys at a local lodge, and we never need more than a handful of T25ks by the end. So there is almost no scenario - unless you’re running a multi-day tourney - in which you need T100ks.

 

[g3lo]

Thank you! Would that change the number of chips I need to order or the ordering stays the same just the distribution changes.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

You would need 100/100/50/75/50, but an extra 25 T1K doesn’t hurt either since you’d only have 5 spares (you’ll also need them if you have on-time bonuses) If you want to have extra T5Ks as well for bigger buy-ins or to cover splashy players, then go for them as well (25 more will cover a full rebuy per player).

 

[Preditor]

Thank you! Would that change the number of chips I need to order or the ordering stays the same just the distribution changes.

It would change the number of chips potentially for the 500s and 1000s (you would need less chips overall). Ultimately, you're just going to have to do some math .

 

[bigdonkey]

I'd recommend totals of 120x25 and 120x100. That gives 12 chips/player, which will play considerably better (less change making). Especially if you have new players who limp/min-bet a lot.

Additionally, if you have some extra people sign-up/show up and don't want to turn anyone away, you can stretch those chips out to 15 stacks of 8/8.

 

[Mr Winberg]

12 chips/player, which will play considerably better (less change making)

This ^

 

[MattyBoy2311]

Hi all,

I reviewed Chris's video of starting stack for both cash and tournament game.

For tournament he recommends the following for 10 player game starting stack

8 x T25
8 x T100
6 x T500
6 x T1000
2 x T5000

he states that you only need the following denominations for starter set

80 x T25
80 x T100
60 x T500
60 x T1000
40 x T5000

If I wanted to incorporate T25,000 and T100,000 how would I incorporate it to understand how many I need in my tournament set. I am planning to order chips and want to figure out what I need. Given most do it in quantities of 25 I am thinking the following:

100 x T25
100 x T100
75 x T100
75 x T500
50 x T5000
25 x T25000
25 x T100000

Thoughts? How would I approach similar for cash set with the following denominations in play:

5 cents
25 cents
$1
$5
$20
$100

If you want to use T25k and T100k I would not use or even buy T25. Imagine the blind structure you would have to use. It’s a huge spread…