How do y’all go about making adjustments knowing one or two players at a table are playing super aggressive (always barreling 3 streets; big over bets, etc.) I feel like whenever I finally dig in and try to bluff-catch, it’s always the one hand where they actually have it.
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How do you adjust to super aggressive players? (2 Viewers)
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Jimulacrum
Full House
If the LAG is truly barreling through the end a lot, trapping is the way to do it, but if you're usually a tight player, you have to be willing to loosen up and trap with hands that may be out of your normal comfort zone to take maximum advantage. Sometimes the LAG will have it, and that's just poker, but if he's truly triple-barreling with air at a high frequency, you should be able to profit from that quite often.
One huge mistake people make in this area is letting him barrel all the way to the end and shoving over the last bet with a hand that you expect to be best but will lose to the top of his range. Usually your value is going to come from loose bets, not loose calls; that shove allows him to escape for exactly the same price when he's bluffing, but when he has it, he stacks you.
And sometimes you shouldn't trap all the way to the end, but try to push out the LAG. Typical board texture and hand vulnerability observations apply; you should still protect your hand when the board is wet, reraise preflop if you expect to be way ahead, etc.
Everything he said, but also be mentally prepared to get stacked. Playing back against this type of player can be high EV but also high variance.
Even bad LAGs have it sometimes, and you just have to shake it off, rebuy, and stay on your A game.
Even bad LAGs have it sometimes, and you just have to shake it off, rebuy, and stay on your A game.
Umm…this describes every player at my game…it’s the fn Wild West over here, so I’m ready to reload early and often as mentioned above and know I’m in for some swings. But, at the end of the night, it generally works out pretty well. We play every game there is to make sure that NITs are punished, so I wouldn’t have it any other way.
BPTDirector
Full House
When you call the River big bet, make sure you have some showdown equity. Go over the complete story of the hand pre flop to turn and make an educated decision, reflect on your wrong choices. Calling one of those bets will slow down the bluffers some whether you win or lose. Usually the River bet will be over sized if they are bluffing.
So you’re saying a bluff call is out of the question?
BPTDirector
Full House
I will tell you that loosening up your game will help too. Get in there and win some pots you shouldn’t, either by getting lucky or by trying a bluff once in a while yourself. Successful cash players will sometimes play any two, and certainly with suited connectors or gappers.
Of some help:
-blinds (not too low / not too high-whatever that means for each host and crew)
-Buy-ins (most important: generally 100 Big Blinds, and eventually up to no more than 1/3 of the "big stack").
These rules still aren't going to protect the game from LAGs who are clearly wealthier in real life than the average player on the table, and for whom, money means a lot less than for other players.
In that case, you don't invite back the LAG whales, however sweet they may be as human beings.
-blinds (not too low / not too high-whatever that means for each host and crew)
-Buy-ins (most important: generally 100 Big Blinds, and eventually up to no more than 1/3 of the "big stack").
These rules still aren't going to protect the game from LAGs who are clearly wealthier in real life than the average player on the table, and for whom, money means a lot less than for other players.
In that case, you don't invite back the LAG whales, however sweet they may be as human beings.
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dannyssteez
Sitting Out
If you know he's triple barreling too often you can simply overfold flop and then call down with the remaining strongest parts of your range. Patience is almost always the counter to overbetting
you flat call...
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
I am going to adjust my ranges to call a lot more frequently. I am going to convert my marginal raises to calls, and I am going to convert some of my stronger folds to calls.
If you try and get into a bully war with this player, you will often lose 3x what is necessary on the occasions the player has it. Calling wide, raising less, and folding less is the way to go.
Language like "it's always the one hand" is resilts-oriented thinking. You are never going to win every hand just by calling wider. But you are going to catch more than enough bluffs to compensate
Agreed, and too this end I might recraft my starting hand range to include more off suit a-hi and k-hi hands and reduce the marginal suited connectors and one-gaps. (Play hands like kjo,kto,k9o,a9o,a8o a little more frequently, and give up on 86s, 76s suited preflop.)
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Frogzilla
Straight Flush
Are we playing NLHE? There’s a lot of different overaggression tendencies but they have different adjustments. The nice part is you get to see a ton of hands so leaks usually become apparent. Minimally exploit. Don’t go too nuts.
3bet pre too wide -> 4 bet more
Betting too high freq flop/turn OOP -> raise/call them a bit more flop/turn, and identify/exploit what their check means
Betting too high freq IP -> check range and use check raise a lot
River too high frequency bet with polarized bluff heavy (weak range) -> call more often
River too high frequency bet with medium strength hands -> raise thinner
All these are simple enough but I cannot stress enough you need to know what you’re dealing with. It’s not that hard to show up wasted to a table, play absurd pre, bet huge, but then, given that no one now folds to the “maniac” always having it on the river. Gotta make right adjustments.
3bet pre too wide -> 4 bet more
Betting too high freq flop/turn OOP -> raise/call them a bit more flop/turn, and identify/exploit what their check means
Betting too high freq IP -> check range and use check raise a lot
River too high frequency bet with polarized bluff heavy (weak range) -> call more often
River too high frequency bet with medium strength hands -> raise thinner
All these are simple enough but I cannot stress enough you need to know what you’re dealing with. It’s not that hard to show up wasted to a table, play absurd pre, bet huge, but then, given that no one now folds to the “maniac” always having it on the river. Gotta make right adjustments.
ngmcs8203
Flush
Calling stations beat maniacs. Maniacs beat nits. Nits beat calling stations.
Yes - I like this - one method I prefer is to Just Call them, especially pre flop, that freezes them and the action, kind of neutralizes them, at least from my experience. When you have the premium hand you raise them back, now the odds are in your favor.
Before anyone responds - if you play that way then will know your tendencies and notice that when you raise them back you have a premium hand, so they will slow down or fold.
Parts of that thought are true - however, I don't play against random opponents regularly enough for this patten to affect my or their play, and if I notice they are folding when I only have a premium after I reraise - I will slightly increase my reraises (now bluffs) in game to pickup a pot or 2 preflop or beyond (turn - river) - but in game - one session , I like calling
its all about, Setting Stage - and Performing.
Like I say - Your Milage may Vary...
Such a good take actually, gonna keep this in mind.
ImaHalfwit
Waiting List
You have two options really, out LAG them, or get trappy. For most players, becoming hyper LAG isn't very comfortable. Which realistically leaves becoming trappy.
Couldn't possibly agree more.
Disagree. 3 bet in position.
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