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Canceled Horseshoe Cleveland $500 - (FRAUD ALERT) (10 Viewers)

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180 all $500 shipped.
rack $350 shipped
80 $250 shipped.
Payment: Zelle, CashApp

They are in good condition.

It is sent without any problem. An extra fee is charged for shipping abroad.

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Nanook said:
I think you are kind of missing it a bit....

The member was NOT new. He had been active since some time in 2019 & had a decent amount of positive feedback. Just by that info alone there wasn't any reason to be wary. I had checked all of that.....

He hacked a real PCF member that had been around for quite a long time and was posting from that account.

Making new members go through more scrutiny would not have stopped this. Increased security on some level (either better passwords or something on the website level) would be the only thing that would have stopped it.
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Sorry, you’re completely right about that. To that point, MFA should be a must, but it’s hard to control idiots with bad passwords. I don’t even know my password, if you’re not using a good password manager you should be.

My point was responding more to what people were saying about how enticing it is on here for someone to just spin up an account and get selling.
 
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I hate to say this (because I use it a lot in my transactions) but crypto payments are also 100% non-refundable. Paying with crypto is like paying someone with cash, it's impossible to get back unless the other person sends it back.
I just want to make sure people understand this if they are new to using it and try to pay someone they don't trust 100%. Other than that, crypto is great because (insert positive crypto facts here).
 
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FestiveKnight said:
Sorry, you’re completely right about that. To that point, MFA should be a must, but it’s hard to control idiots with bad passwords. I don’t even know my password, if you’re not using a good password manager you should be.

My point was responding more to what people were saying about how enticing it is on here for someone to just spin up an account and get selling.
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And really sorry to see you got scammed like this, you’ve been only a good member to me and as far as I’ve seen on here, to others, and no one deserves to be scammed.
 
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TheOffalo said:
I almost thought https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/new-china-club-cards-mold-cash-set-1-000-ct-350.83807/ might be a scam. The price is great but not necessarily too good to be true but what made me suspicious was the non-standard $1, which matched this listing: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/cards-mold-new-china-club-cash-set-1-000-ct.83423/

Then I thought it’s more likely the OP from today’s NCC sale was the buyer in the previous sale. $300 + $50 shipping in the old listing lines up w/the new listing’s selling for cost. But since the old listing didn’t have a public “winner” there’s still a tiny bit of doubt. Not to cast aspersions on today’s OP.

It would be next level sophistication if a scammer set up a chain of “legit” looking sales to then scam the last person in the chain. I think I’m getting too paranoid!
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Rhodeman77 said:
He gladly accepted PPG&S. So I felt comfortable buying. He also took a lot of pics and provided tracking as he dropped it off. Straight up in my book.
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No offense, none at all. I also provided full names and contact info in PMs to help put the buyer at ease.

Frankly, I was surprised the culture here was accepting of PPFF payments. This is the first forum where I've seen this commonly done. All my other Internet hobbies have strong warnings about this, and many required Paypal merchandise payments.

As I'm new here, I really do feel an obligation to go above-and-beyond to put other members at ease.
 
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sheikh617 said:
Yeah I agree but the precedent on this forum is PayPal and then either G&S or F&F depending on relationships. No one uses Zelle, it’s the biggest red flag.
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Personally (and call me a xenophobic if you want) I’d say that “It is sent without any problem” coming from somebody in Georgia is a pretty big red flag too.
 
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Someone else posted this, but just to make it crystal clear...

If buyer pays with F&F, the seller is protected, right? Buyer can't claim they didn't receive goods, because it doesn't matter....F&F.
Then if the buyer uses a credit card to pay with F&F, then the buyer is protected by the credit card (depending on your credit card, I guess). So if a fraud, even though funds were sent with F&F, the buyer is still protected since used a card. Isn't that right?

Yeah, Paypal still gets their cut (for all credit card transactions). But aren't both parties protected in this way? Or what am I missing?
 
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I forgot to mention, the reason the original sales ad didn't have a public "winner" was I didn't have enough posts to reply in the classifieds. Unfortunately, this also means I can't post/get feedback for the sales I've transacted prior to gaining the ability to post here.
 
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ekricket said:
Why don’t we put a 24 hr hold on sending money? Like do the deal but wait 24 hours to send anything. Gives a little time to find these things.

Also, what’s this proxy stuff? Make people show where they are logging in from.
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This is a good idea, especially with members that haven’t been on the forum long.
 
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liftapint said:
Someone else posted this, but just to make it crystal clear...

If buyer pays with F&F, the seller is protected, right? Buyer can't claim they didn't receive goods, because it doesn't matter....F&F.
Then if the buyer uses a credit card to pay with F&F, then the buyer is protected by the credit card (depending on your credit card, I guess). So if a fraud, even though funds were sent with F&F, the buyer is still protected since used a card. Isn't that right?

Yeah, Paypal still gets their cut (for all credit card transactions). But aren't both parties protected in this way? Or what am I missing?
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Can't the CC company claw back the money from the seller somehow?

Most of the protections are on the buyer's side for sure, which is great when dealing w/shady online stores in a many-to-one (or one-to-many) relationship, but since this is classifieds, any of us can be a seller at some point, and I'm not sure about the protections for sellers.
 
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Sorry to hear that this has happened to another person so shortly after the previous incident.

Would love for there to be a feature showing whether or not the account is 2fa certified.

As far as I could tell in my case the person had decent English in the posting (as the posting was entirely copied from a previous posting). So it could happen again as these hackers wise up and get more sophisticated. In this case they’ve managed to quickly bypass a newly implemented security feature already with some of easy photoshop.

Stay vigilant folks!
 
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liftapint said:
Someone else posted this, but just to make it crystal clear...

If buyer pays with F&F, the seller is protected, right? Buyer can't claim they didn't receive goods, because it doesn't matter....F&F.
Then if the buyer uses a credit card to pay with F&F, then the buyer is protected by the credit card (depending on your credit card, I guess). So if a fraud, even though funds were sent with F&F, the buyer is still protected since used a card. Isn't that right?

Yeah, Paypal still gets their cut (for all credit card transactions). But aren't both parties protected in this way? Or what am I missing?
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I think you can get away with doing that once or twice. Each time you do a chargeback, PayPal locks your account and you have to re-verify and or contact them. I don't think they will allow you to keep doing that so it's not a permanent solution. IMO
 
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liftapint said:
Someone else posted this, but just to make it crystal clear...

If buyer pays with F&F, the seller is protected, right? Buyer can't claim they didn't receive goods, because it doesn't matter....F&F.
Then if the buyer uses a credit card to pay with F&F, then the buyer is protected by the credit card (depending on your credit card, I guess). So if a fraud, even though funds were sent with F&F, the buyer is still protected since used a card. Isn't that right?

Yeah, Paypal still gets their cut (for all credit card transactions). But aren't both parties protected in this way? Or what am I missing?
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No, this isn't true. There are rare cases where F&F payments are made, and then the sender claims a hacked account with PayPal which they have the option to reverse. There are other, non-usual circumstances where a seller gains protection from G&S payments, such as this:

I've actually been through hell with PayPal, eBay, and a $5000 purchase involving an expensive Nikon lens. I bought the lens on eBay, and resold it a few months later. The lens turned out to be stolen merchandise, a fact uncovered in my second sale. The lens was reported to the police, and Paypal reversed my sales transaction and debitted my account for $5000. They also said since the lens was stolen (with police report to prove), that I wouldn't be receiving the merchandise back. I contact eBay about this, and they were worthless. Refused to get involved, despite the fact I had purchased this off eBay and through their system. Paypal was a bit better. After weeks of emails and phone calls, Paypal recognized my claim from the original eBay purchase. It got back-charged to the eBay seller (likely the original thief).

Bottom line: Paypal G&S is cheap insurance, given all the scams etc. out there.

Full details of my Nikon experience: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1455678
 
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ImCrossland said:
This might sound silly to most but if you ever purchase a chip from me in the future, feel free to ask for pictures of me with the chips in any particular way.

I will hold the chip by my pinky toe and snap a pic if that’s what you’re into. All in the name of “security,” of course.
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Can I see all 10 toes please?
 
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So is "Dibs pending verification that this is not a scam" now an acceptable way of purchasing chips?

Maybe I'm off base here, because I don't have any chips I'm desperate to sell, but why not shut down classifieds for a month or however long it takes to sort this out.
 
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Can someone log in from another device if I'm already logged in?
I never log out, so I'm always logged in.
 
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I’m no investigator but if anyone is bored tonight, could potentially be worth looking into the accounts above and seeing if they have any common transactions between them.
 
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Yea this sucks. I'm going to assume anyone who reaches out to me in the next couple of weeks to sell me chips I've been looking for are just trying to scam me :(
 
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paul sydney said:
Can someone log in from another device if I'm already logged in?
I never log out, so I'm always logged in.
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Yes, I am always logged on my laptop using chrome. But I can still log on using my phone or another pc. Being logged on doesn't stop you being Poppined
 
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