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[BGinGA]

What are the blinds during L3 and L4? Sounds more like an issue of either a) players don't understand stack size in relation to the blind size, b) players are inexperienced in proper short-stack play strategy, or c) the buy-in/re-buy amount is frivolous. Most likely the latter.

For most players, a $5 re-buy event is an invitation to play extremely loose and frequently gamble, since a re-buy costs so little. Not so much when the entry/buy-in amount is $500. The further away from $5, the less likely to shove without adequate cause, because the money involved to do so is not menial or insignificant.

There is a sweet spot for most player groups where the money is meaningful to the point where it does not significantly influence play. Assigning a tangible value to an unused re-buy also helps in this regard, as they are actually giving UP something (besides cash) to re-buy.

 

[Mrs Poker Zombie]

While rebuys do impact total chips in play and therefore the timing, you can control that by limiting the number of re-buys per person. In addition, by limiting the # of rebuys to each person to one, we reduce the "bullying" that can be perceived. Plus, our goal is that our club members could go to Vegas and play anywhere and feel comfortable with the rules and play. Casinos allow rebuys (more than we do), but they are allowed.

 

[Steve Birrer]

So if you don't have rebuys and there aren't enough players for a side cash game what is the poor bastard supposed to do that gets busted out the third hand of the night? Tell him not to shove over a four bet when he has AA? Seriously we have had many nights when two (or more) players correctly played a hand early in the night that led to them having all their chips in the middle. Somebody has to lose. Who wants to go home after 30 minutes (or less) of playing?

 

[CraigT78]

So if you don't have rebuys and there aren't enough players for a side cash game what is the poor bastard supposed to do that gets busted out the third hand of the night? Tell him not to shove over a four bet when he has AA? Seriously we have had many nights when two (or more) players correctly played a hand early in the night that led to them having all their chips in the middle. Somebody has to lose. Who wants to go home after 30 minutes (or less) of playing?

This is why I offer unlimited rebuy in the first 6 rounds - my players won't wait for the cash game - no rebuy = no cash game.

 

[detroitdad]

My favorite tournament structure is a $20 unlimited rebuy up until there is a winner.
Game of choice is PLO

 

[Steve Birrer]

Its pretty easy to use poker soup to structure your blinds, account for rebuys, and have it end in a roughly determined amount of time. We like ours to run about 4 hours and it is usually within 30 minutes one way or the other.

 

[Poker Zombie]

By the end of a night, each rebuy only adds a minimal number of big blinds to the total number of chips in play. Knowing your group will also allow you know how many rebuys to expect.

With reasonable blind increases and players that aren't reckless, I'd be willing to bet that a home tournament will end within 1 level of the same tournament without rebuys.

 

[grantc54]

We have always done one rebuy with the possibility for a second with a vote (if it is a small group or someone is out extra early we may allow this).

I know many people think this is crazy but since we don't do add-on's we allow people to rebuy until the money (so if we pay 3 spots no rebuys when 4 people left). Once the rebuy equals 10 BB that usually deters people from rebuying, only a few degenerates like myself will rebuy when down to 4 or 5 BB.

Grant

 

[longflop]

Seriously we have had many nights when two (or more) players correctly played a hand early in the night that led to them having all their chips in the middle. Somebody has to lose. Who wants to go home after 30 minutes (or less) of playing?

This is the exact reason that I offer one rebuy per person. It raises the total pot, but it also helps to avoid a short night due to some bad luck. The main goal is for the guys to have fun!

 

[p5woody]

This reminded me of a friend of mine, he decided to host a poker game. He bought a table, nice cards, provided a full spread of food, and had me bring my chips. It was discussed and he decided on no re-buys, his choice. Very first hand he gets KK and I have AA. Of course I bet, he 3-bets and I shove all in and he calls. My hand holds and he is left watching us play poker for the next 4+ hours in his house. That was the first and last time he hosted. After that I added a re-buy for the first hour to my tournament games.

Since we started doing re-buys, nobody has gone crazy. Single table tournament, not really worth doing multiple re-buys.

 

[Blaster]

For my single table tournaments , I've bounced over the years from trying no rebuys, to 1 rebuy, to 1 rebuy or add on, to unlimited rebuys + an add on ect ...
I generally prefer no RB/Ad-ons , but for a Poker/Social , night , & in order to avoid someone having to go home very early / after a brief period of play, I've currently settled on a structure that allows for unlim rebuys before the 1st break, ( although the structure usually always means zero, & very occasionally just 1 or 2 players rebuy, with the 15-20K start stack, & the break usually being around 200/400 +/-). 5 hrs.
It's announced that anyone ( everyone) still in at the break gets a "free" "pot sweetener" add-on of about 12 to 20 BB's +/-, ( determined before game), & then the game is locked from there ...
I've also changed the way I collect $$ upfront .. If it had been, say, $65 Tourn, + $10 for Bounties/high hand prizes, & $15 at break for add-on ( $90 ttl), Now it's just "$90" for the "tournament", all collected upfront & with a possible $10 food/drink donation, a player spends $100 for the night, & has the option of the $65 early rebuys, if really necessary....
$80 per player goes to the prize pool, $5 per to the HH prize pot, & $5 per Bounties , no rake..

 

[Mesnik44]

I'm very fortunate to have @Gear @T_Chan at my games. They serve as my assistant TD when we have a multi table event, when asked. Makes life so much easier when I have 2 very knowledgeable friends in the room that can lend a hand to speed things up. I also limit rebuys as of this season to 1 per game only.

 

[T_Chan]

But you never ask us to do anything, we just sit on our lazy asses!

Our games technically do not have rebuys. If you're out in the first few minutes, too bad. That being said, a few times a year we have free rebuy games where everyone gets 1 or 2 rebuys including in their first buy in. For those, I try to have stacks set aside ready to be handed out at a moment's notice close to where I'm sitting. I will often sacrifice a hand if I have to do my hosting duties and help give out a few rebuys, but it's usually a fast enough transaction that it can wait until I'm done the hand and the player has chips behind until I can get them. We hold verbal actions binding and when the chips are brought to the player they throw in whatever is owed.

 

[WedgeRock]

Very first hand he gets KK and I have AA. Of course I bet, he 3-bets and I shove all in and he calls. My hand holds and he is left watching us play poker for the next 4+ hours in his house.

We've had a player burn through a buyin and rebuy in 3 hands. I believe @detroitdad knocked him out both times.

 

[codeman00]

This reminded me of a friend of mine, he decided to host a poker game. He bought a table, nice cards, provided a full spread of food, and had me bring my chips. It was discussed and he decided on no re-buys, his choice. Very first hand he gets KK and I have AA. Of course I bet, he 3-bets and I shove all in and he calls. My hand holds and he is left watching us play poker for the next 4+ hours in his house. That was the first and last time he hosted. After that I added a re-buy for the first hour to my tournament games.

Since we started doing re-buys, nobody has gone crazy. Single table tournament, not really worth doing multiple re-buys.

Interesting angle here. I might have to reconsider my stance on this.

If my tournament is a Bounty tournament, does the player that rebuys typically have to pay for another bounty too?

 

[Blaster]

Interesting angle here. I might have to reconsider my stance on this.

If my tournament is a Bounty tournament, does the player that rebuys typically have to pay for another bounty too?

You can do "last out" for the bounty chip, meaning if the player re-buys he keeps his original bounty chip until he busts for good ..
.. But it's up to you, "1st bustout", "last bustout" , or re-buy another bounty chip is all up to you ...

 

[WedgeRock]

If my tournament is a Bounty tournament, does the player that rebuys typically have to pay for another bounty too?

Structure it any way you like.

• Bounty is on the buyin only
• Bounty is on the knockout only (so the rebuy, if there is one, otherwise the buyin)
• Bounty is on both the buyin and the rebuy (mandatory)

No one would ever take the rebuy bounty if you made it optional... there's no benefit to it.

 

[BGinGA]

Disagree. If passing on the optional re-buy bounty, then player is no longer eligible to collect bounties when felting other players.

 

[bsdunbar1]

If my tournament is a Bounty tournament, does the player that rebuys typically have to pay for another bounty too?

Whenever we do a bounty tourney the rebuy price includes an additional bounty because the rebuy is now another player that someone is eligible to knock out.

 

[detroitdad]

We've had a player burn through a buyin and rebuy in 3 hands. I believe @detroitdad knocked him out both times.

Yep. First time I ever played with Keith.

 

[upNdown]

Disagree. If passing on the optional re-buy bounty, then player is no longer eligible to collect bounties when felting other players.

I have no problem with giving people the option. But personally, either the bounty is a low amount, so what the hell, you'll rebuy one anyway, or else the bounty is a larger amount, therefore a larger percentage of the prize pool, so you'd need to be able to collect bounties to get unstuck.
I suppose if you were rebuying late and a large percentage of the field was already out, then you might consider not rebuying one.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Disagree. If passing on the optional re-buy bounty, then player is no longer eligible to collect bounties when felting other players.

...so if you get felted by a non-rebuying player, you collect your own bounty?

 

[BGinGA]

...so if you get felted by a non-rebuying bounty player, you collect your own bounty?

Correct, and FYP. Same as if the initial bounty purchase is optional.