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It doesn't happen too often, but I have run into it before. I'm hosting my monthly two table 18 person tourney and will be right in the middle of a significant hand when I get a call from the other table for a rebuy, somebody needs change, or a ruling needs to be issued. My MO is tell them to hold up and wait until I'm done. The problem is this causes a delay at the other table. Plus, its annoying to try to figure out what this maniac who reraised me has, while somebody is yelling for a rebuy.

Do you guys who host have other designated "hosts" that help with rebuys and change, etc? I prefer to be the only one who touches the chips and bank, to keep things consistant, but if you guys know of a better way, I would love to hear it!

As always, all ideas are appreciated!
 
It doesn't happen too often, but I have run into it before. I'm hosting my monthly two table 18 person tourney and will be right in the middle of a significant hand when I get a call from the other table for a rebuy, somebody needs change, or a ruling needs to be issued. My MO is tell them to hold up and wait until I'm done. The problem is this causes a delay at the other table. Plus, its annoying to try to figure out what this maniac who reraised me has, while somebody is yelling for a rebuy.

Do you guys who host have other designated "hosts" that help with rebuys and change, etc? I prefer to be the only one who touches the chips and bank, to keep things consistant, but if you guys know of a better way, I would love to hear it!

As always, all ideas are appreciated!

Don’t offer rebuys...
 
I give a designated person on the other table 5 rebuys. But i keep the count so he just tells me who is taking the rebuys. When the 5 rebuys are consumed, i give him 5 more.

1 bank, 1 sheet, otherwise no more control
 
If offering rebuys, make the person that busted come to you for chips and to pay. Don’t go to them!!

As host have your seat preset to where it easy for you to have chips right next to you as well as the bank and tournament clock in case you need to stop it. Almost every host I know does this.

I even do it for cash games so I don’t have to get around a bunch of people to get to the chips.
 
I like rebuys. My players like rebuys. I make players wait on a rebuy. They can play with chips behind if need be.

If it’s a ruling issue I’ll pause the time and finish my current hand. Then rule, let them finish the hand and restart the timer.

Anymore than 2 tables and I’ll assign table captains to make the rulings.

Like you, only I touch the money as it’s my responsibility.
 
When I first started hosting 100 years ago I offered rebuys in a multi-table tournament setting and it was a nightmare for me trying to play, host, make rulings and handle rebuys.

I eventually moved to no rebuys, then to just hosting a single table and then I allowed the first player to bust during the night, if busted by an early level that was designated, was given the option to rebuy, but they were the only rebuy permitted and if they refused it no other player busting would get it.

I set my tournaments up deep-stacked to run a good 4-5 hours or so, ensuring people would be able to lose a pot or two early and not have to go home for the night. My goal was to make sure everyone got their moneys worth in entertainment.
 
If offering rebuys, make the person that busted come to you for chips and to pay. Don’t go to them!!

As host have your seat preset to where it easy for you to have chips right next to you as well as the bank and tournament clock in case you need to stop it. Almost every host I know does this.

I even do it for cash games so I don’t have to get around a bunch of people to get to the chips.

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I like rebuys. My players like rebuys. I make players wait on a rebuy. They can play with chips behind if need be.

If it’s a ruling issue I’ll pause the time and finish my current hand. Then rule, let them finish the hand and restart the timer.

Anymore than 2 tables and I’ll assign table captains to make the rulings.

Like you, only I touch the money as it’s my responsibility.
^^ These are a good approach.

We use competent dedicated dealers, so most routine rulings are handled by the dealer at the table. I only get involved as TD if there is a dispute that cannot be resolved by the dealer, or in the rare case of an appeal of a dealer ruling (in which case all play and the tournament timer is stopped).

Re-buys are also handled by the dealers, who have close access to pre-set re-buy stacks. Players are issued re-buy buttons, and must relinquish both the button and the re-buy cash to the dealer to get chips. Tracking for all re-buys is handled by me (dealers announce "player re-buy" same as they announce all "player-down" situations to keep the TD informed). I collect re-buy buttons/cash from the dealers at breaks.
 
^^ These are a good approach.

We use competent dedicated dealers, so most routine rulings are handled by the dealer at the table. I only get involved as TD if there is a dispute that cannot be resolved by the dealer, or in the rare case of an appeal of a dealer ruling (in which case all play and the tournament timer is stopped).

Re-buys are also handled by the dealers, who have close access to pre-set re-buy stacks. Players are issued re-buy buttons, and must relinquish both the button and the re-buy cash to the dealer to get chips. Tracking for all re-buys is handled by me (dealers announce "player re-buy" same as they announce all "player-down" situations to keep the TD informed). I collect re-buy buttons/cash from the dealers at breaks.
BG, as TD, do you play as well?
 
Rebuy advice is good above. What's the situation where you need to give change? I don't understand
 
BG, as TD, do you play as well?
I do, unless I've been contracted to run the tournament for another group (charity, fraternity, business, etc.).

Rebuy advice is good above. What's the situation where you need to give change? I don't understand
I think he means monetary change for a player purchasing a re-buy.... i.e., presented with a $100 bill for a $40 re-buy.
 
I have rebuys preset in chip tubes. If there is a rebuy while I'm in a hand I can toss them a tube. They usually have the money ready, but if not I will collect it on break.

I also have players that I will designate as table captains to assist with rulings as needed.

Beyond that, I will sacrifice my hand to assist my player's needs. I run $20 tournaments. There isn't a single person at my events that I wouldn't sacrifice $20 for.
 
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I give a designated person on the other table 5 rebuys. But i keep the count so he just tells me who is taking the rebuys. When the 5 rebuys are consumed, i give him 5 more.

1 bank, 1 sheet, otherwise no more control
Great idea.
 
Poker Zombie said:
Beyond that, I will sacrifice my hand to assist my player's needs. I run $20 tournaments. There isn't a single person at my events that I wouldn't sacrifice $20 for.

I agree strongly with this. Sometimes as a host you have to miss a hand or cut short your decision making process in order to serve the game. But as noted above, getting optimal seating and having rebus can help.

Grant
 
I think he means monetary change for a player purchasing a re-buy.... i.e., presented with a $100 bill for a $40 re-buy.
That's exactly it. Even though the guys know that everything is either $20 or $10, somebody always brings $50's or $100's.
 
I agree strongly with this. Sometimes as a host you have to miss a hand or cut short your decision making process in order to serve the game. But as noted above, getting optimal seating and having rebus can help.

Grant
I hope I didn't give you guys the impression that I'm a "give me your buyin then screw you" type of host. My primary goal is for everybody to have fun and want to come back.

I'm gonna give the table captain a shot. there is half a dozen guys that are regulars that know what they are doing and I can really trust them. The preset rebuy tubes are a great idea as well!
 
^^ These are a good approach.

We use competent dedicated dealers, so most routine rulings are handled by the dealer at the table. I only get involved as TD if there is a dispute that cannot be resolved by the dealer, or in the rare case of an appeal of a dealer ruling (in which case all play and the tournament timer is stopped).

Re-buys are also handled by the dealers, who have close access to pre-set re-buy stacks. Players are issued re-buy buttons, and must relinquish both the button and the re-buy cash to the dealer to get chips. Tracking for all re-buys is handled by me (dealers announce "player re-buy" same as they announce all "player-down" situations to keep the TD informed). I collect re-buy buttons/cash from the dealers at breaks.
I've tried to have others assist with rebuys but I've found that in order to keep accurate point assignments I need to handle rebuys. In our league there was less than a one point spread between 10th and 12 places, so a one rebuy screw up could be the difference between making the free roll or not.
 
I've tried to have others assist with rebuys but I've found that in order to keep accurate point assignments I need to handle rebuys. In our league there was less than a one point spread between 10th and 12 places, so a one rebuy screw up could be the difference between making the free roll or not.

In our club, PZ handles the rebuy and I handle the notation of knockouts and rebuys. This way, both hosts are aware and the split duty means less time total to handle a rebuy.
 
If rebuys work for you, then ok...

Some games are all about the tourneys. So hosts want folks to be able to play longer. I’ve never done rebuys, and folks are primed to play cash.

That said, I’m not opposed to consider allowing rebuys for a very short timeframe to account for that one bad beat type hand where someone gets knocked out super early. I’m Torn since I believe that having a rebuy option affects how people play. I play in a weekly rebuy tournament, and people do a lot more gambling with mediocre hands because they can always re-bit. Of course, that might not necessarily be a bad thing?
 
On the rare case where I have two tables I just designate somebody at the other table to take care of any issues, including rebuys, at that table. Its almost always my main playing buddy and he knows the rules as well or better than I do. So when I set up the tables I just put he and I at different tables then use a blind draw to seat everybody else.

Its worked well in the couple of times we have had two tables.

Now as to the question of rebuys I have found people are very weird about this. We have always allowed rebuys through the first four levels. Our game is pretty low stakes with a $20 buy in. And we have unlimited rebuys for those first several periods. We started this way years ago in order to have a "low stakes" game but also a way to have some nicer total pots at the end of the night. If we have a 10 table its pretty common for us to have 5 or 6 total rebuys. So two times ago I thought I would change it up and asked guys to come play a $40 buy in with no rebuys. Other than the guy I talked about earlier they all said NO!!!! Even though they sit down and have no problem spending the exact same $40 I guess they feel like they want the option. So I just left the game as is.
 
On the rare case where I have two tables I just designate somebody at the other table to take care of any issues, including rebuys, at that table. Its almost always my main playing buddy and he knows the rules as well or better than I do. So when I set up the tables I just put he and I at different tables then use a blind draw to seat everybody else.

Its worked well in the couple of times we have had two tables.

Now as to the question of rebuys I have found people are very weird about this. We have always allowed rebuys through the first four levels. Our game is pretty low stakes with a $20 buy in. And we have unlimited rebuys for those first several periods. We started this way years ago in order to have a "low stakes" game but also a way to have some nicer total pots at the end of the night. If we have a 10 table its pretty common for us to have 5 or 6 total rebuys. So two times ago I thought I would change it up and asked guys to come play a $40 buy in with no rebuys. Other than the guy I talked about earlier they all said NO!!!! Even though they sit down and have no problem spending the exact same $40 I guess they feel like they want the option. So I just left the game as is.
No idea how deeply your players are thinking about things, but I could go either way, depending on format. If it was a deep stacked, long blinds format, I’d definitely rather pay more for a single buy-in with no rebuys. If it was more of a turbo type tournament, like a lot of home games are, I’d rather pay less, have rebuts available, and play it as such.
 
On the rare case where I have two tables I just designate somebody at the other table to take care of any issues, including rebuys, at that table. Its almost always my main playing buddy and he knows the rules as well or better than I do. So when I set up the tables I just put he and I at different tables then use a blind draw to seat everybody else.

Its worked well in the couple of times we have had two tables.

Now as to the question of rebuys I have found people are very weird about this. We have always allowed rebuys through the first four levels. Our game is pretty low stakes with a $20 buy in. And we have unlimited rebuys for those first several periods. We started this way years ago in order to have a "low stakes" game but also a way to have some nicer total pots at the end of the night. If we have a 10 table its pretty common for us to have 5 or 6 total rebuys. So two times ago I thought I would change it up and asked guys to come play a $40 buy in with no rebuys. Other than the guy I talked about earlier they all said NO!!!! Even though they sit down and have no problem spending the exact same $40 I guess they feel like they want the option. So I just left the game as is.

I've had this same experience - $20 is fine, but trying to up it to $40 was welcomed with a cold shoulder. I can get $30 a piece out of them for the final event of the year, but that is just $30, no rebuys, and I serve steak for dinner.

Given that a lot of my players are couples, it makes sence though. $20 buy in for 2 is $40. A good price for dinner and a night out. If one of them needs to rebuy, it becomes $60, and that's starting to get kind of pricey for some. Double the buy-in to $40, and suddenly a night out could be $120. That's far more expensive than dinner and a movie, and rivals the price for tickets to a hockey game.

That is also why I don't host cash games afterward. Many players aren't going to have the money, and the "unlimited" rebuy mindset on cash games puts off the players with a limited budget.
 
I've had this same experience - $20 is fine, but trying to up it to $40 was welcomed with a cold shoulder. I can get $30 a piece out of them for the final event of the year, but that is just $30, no rebuys, and I serve steak for dinner.

Given that a lot of my players are couples, it makes sence though. $20 buy in for 2 is $40. A good price for dinner and a night out. If one of them needs to rebuy, it becomes $60, and that's starting to get kind of pricey for some. Double the buy-in to $40, and suddenly a night out could be $120. That's far more expensive than dinner and a movie, and rivals the price for tickets to a hockey game.

That is also why I don't host cash games afterward. Many players aren't going to have the money, and the "unlimited" rebuy mindset on cash games puts off the players with a limited budget.

You don't do rebuys or a cash game afterwards? I always do one or the other for the folks that busy out early...it's a good drive out to my place so want to make the trip worthwhile and the possibility of a guest only able to play for 10-15 minutes worries me
 
Our game is freeze-out only because that's what my players want. In a recent survey, 1/3 of my players say they will not play with re-buys, and another 20+% prefer no re-buys. I still find that surprising and would like to offer re-buys, probably limited to 1, only available until the tournament entry cut-off, and I like Zombie's idea of not requiring that a person be felted, but they can re-buy and get a fresh stack but must give up their remaining chips. I'm not sure how that would play out, but I think there might be some players who would re-buy because it would increase their chip stack. I'm in favor of getting that money in the prize pool.

I've seen re-buys handled several ways. The first game I played in with re-buys, each player was given a re-buy or add-on chip. If they hadn't re-bought prior to the break after round 5, they could turn it in and do an add-on. Sometimes the re-buy or add-on was the same price as the buy-in, and sometimes it was less. That was not a league though. The host had someone at each table who could handle giving re-buyers another chip stack. The host did the re-buys or add-ons during the break.

In another game, also not a league, one person handled the money while another handled giving out chips. The clock was stopped for re-buys. That was an unlimited re-buy game and I saw players buying in when they were only getting 10 BB. That happened more than once when it got down to 4 and they were paying 3. I saw a player re-buy one night when the number of re-buys he already had would mean even if he finished first, he would still lose money. He still managed to finish 3rd, so in that sense, his re-buy was justified, though completely crazy IMO. I'd limit re-buys to a certain point in the game -- not past the point where someone could buy-in.

Those who do run leagues with re-buys, I bet you could come up with a method to get others to help. I used table captains/dealers to help with a lot of things. When ours was a league, we didn't do re-buys. I also had 3-4 people who could follow easy procedures and do check-ins. I would have trusted my table captains to handle re-buys and mark them accurately. It's hard to be the only person who can handle anything. Tournament director duties are challenging sometimes, and not so much other times. Learning to delegate what can be delegated will make your life easier. Trust me, you are not the only person in your group that can handle stuff accurately. Doing too much, you are actually more likely to make a critical mistake then relying on a team of people where there are checks and balances. One thing you can do is send out notices afterward and give players a chance to correct things, especially when they have an incentive for things to be accurate. My players learned that I'll send a group email to those who were there. If one person says "I didn't get credit for X," I would respond to everyone to verify that. I never had anyone try to cheat, and through 3 years of leagues only twice had someone make corrections. None of us have a perfect memory and it's not that hard to record something wrong.
 
You don't do rebuys or a cash game afterwards? I always do one or the other for the folks that busy out early...it's a good drive out to my place so want to make the trip worthwhile and the possibility of a guest only able to play for 10-15 minutes worries me

I do rebuys at most events. It is limited to 1 rebuy because we had one player that would jam with air very frequently, which was intimidating to players that had a limited budget. The 1 rebuy rule is still referred to as "The Robbie rule", even though that player hasn't played since 2014.

Only the $30 event is a freeze-out. Anyone knocked out can play at a consolation table - a free game with a $30 prize pool (paid for from the main event buy-in). It used to be a super turbo, but recently we've switched it to a 5¢-10¢ cash game. The first $3 were free, but all payouts were done in $5 increments (rounded down). Players were allowed to add-on ($10 or 1/2 the big stack) to their cash game starting stack. Only players that finish out of the money can play at the consolation table.

This year, 14 players finished out of the money, and could play at the consolation table.
  • 3 players did not want to play the cash game, even with the free $3.
  • 2 players only played with the initial $3 and did not add-on.
  • 2 players only added on $5
  • 7 players added on $10
Take what you will from that limited data, but sometimes you just have to accept that not everyone wants to bring $200-$300 in buy-ins to a poker game. Me... I'm just happy to get to play.
 
I too have discussed rebuys for our tournaments...and was met with resistance. Most don't like rebuys because they don't want to be bullied....noting that the tournament wouldn't be fair for everyone that didn't want to pay double. Plus, I like to know when the tournament is going to end (especially for our weekday event) so the lack of rebuys controls the end time.

On weekdays we have a tournament only. On weekends, we have cash after the tournament. Unfortunately, several of the tournament players leave and don't play cash. They are fringe players and come to spend $25 on the tournament but don't like the thought of losing what they perceive as an infinite amount of money playing cash. Their fear of the unknown makes them really miss out.

One way I artificially put more money into our tournaments (in the place of rebuys) was to make it a bounty tournament which everyone likes. Our standarded tournament is now $20 entry+$5 for bounties. Now there's slightly more money paid out without plainly increasing the entry to $25.
 
I host a weekly league and we have never allowed rebuys until the last season we just finished up. I was never an advocate of the rebuy because IT DOES change the play. The only reason I changed it this season was to build more money for the season end free-roll. For that purpose it was effective.
We play 20min blinds and only allowed rebuys through the first 3 rounds. We take a 10 min break after the first hour and that is when the rebuys end. We have 14-16 players each week and averaged 2.7 rebuys per week over a 20 week season. I think all my guys like it and would now prefer to have it so they don't make the commitment to come over and have a few bad hands/beats send them packing 45min in. The weekly game is $25 so it is up to them if they want to spend the additional $25.
It did change the play enough that this next season we are starting on Jan 11 will now coast you 2 points off your weekly total for each rebuy.
Our points system is;
+1 for showing up
+1 for every player you beat
+1 for making the money
+1 for winning.
We'll see how the rebuys go with this in place. I expect it will slow it down minimally, maybe until the last few weeks when players are fighting for the final 8 freeroll spots.
 
Most don't like rebuys because they don't want to be bullied....noting that the tournament wouldn't be fair for everyone that didn't want to pay double.
I host a weekly league and we have never allowed rebuys until the last season we just finished up. I was never an advocate of the rebuy because IT DOES change the play. The only reason I changed it this season was to build more money for the season end free-roll. For that purpose it was effective.
We play 20min blinds and only allowed rebuys through the first 3 rounds. We take a 10 min break after the first hour and that is when the rebuys end. We have 14-16 players each week and averaged 2.7 rebuys per week over a 20 week season. I think all my guys like it and would now prefer to have it so they don't make the commitment to come over and have a few bad hands/beats send them packing 45min in. The weekly game is $25 so it is up to them if they want to spend the additional $25.
It did change the play enough that this next season we are starting on Jan 11 will now coast you 2 points off your weekly total for each rebuy.
Our points system is;
+1 for showing up
+1 for every player you beat
+1 for making the money
+1 for winning.
We'll see how the rebuys go with this in place. I expect it will slow it down minimally, maybe until the last few weeks when players are fighting for the final 8 freeroll spots.
Would it really come to that? Would your players really play that much differently if a rebuy was available?
I guess limiting it to the first 3 rounds minimizes any difference. Nobody should be getting knocked out in those rounds, but if people decide they want to play fast and loose with an eye toward rebuy, I’m sure everybody could tolerate it for 3 rounds.
 
Would it really come to that? Would your players really play that much differently if a rebuy was available?

YES
We start with 5750 in chips and if a player is down to 2000 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd round there is a good chance he is shoving to double up or rebuy and start round 4 with 5750.
 

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