Hero Gets One Through - League Rebuy Tourney Hand - Level 3 (1 Viewer)

[ngmcs8203]

Monthly league tourney. What makes this one interesting is that UTG+1 bet out of turn on the flop after BB had announced “check dark” as the flop was being dealt.

This was in the third level.

200/400 - Big Blind Ante - 8 players

Setup
UTG - Hero (23,000 - 57.5BB) []
UTG+1 (16,000 - 40BB)

Preflop (Pot size: 400)
SB posts small blind 200
BB posts big blind 400
Hero bets 1,000
UTG+1 calls 1,000
MP folds
HJ calls 1,000
CO folds
BTN calls 1,000
SB folds
BB calls 600

Flop (Pot size: 5,600) []
BB checks dark
UTG+1 bets out of turn for 400
Action returns to hero who checks.
UTG+1 bets 400.
Folds to BB who calls
…
Hero?

 

[RagingAZN]

Hmm forget the out of turn action for a second but that’s a tiny bet. Any reads as to what that means?

In my experience it’s usually been when someone is trying to draw cheaply so I think I’d bet somewhere around 3-3.5k to set up a nice turn shove size on safe cards. Makes it around 12k with 12k effective behind.

Having the in this spot is good for us too.

 

[ngmcs8203]

Hmm forget the out of turn action for a second but that’s a tiny bet. Any reads as to what that means?

In my experience it’s usually been when someone is trying to draw cheaply so I think I’d bet somewhere around 3-3.5k to set up a nice turn shove size on safe cards. Makes it around 12k with 12k effective behind.

Having the in this spot is good for us too.

Sorry I forgot to add, it folded to BB and he called before it got to me.

 

[Senzrock]

Sorry I forgot to add, it folded to BB and he called before it got to me.

I’m a little confused - the action should have been on hero on the flop, did you check first after the bb checked?

 

[BGinGA]

Monthly league tourney. What makes this one interesting is that UTG+1 bet out of turn on the flop after BB had announced “check dark” as the flop was being dealt.

This was in the third level.

200/400 - Big Blind Ante - 8 players

Setup
UTG - Hero (23,000 - 57.5BB) []
UTG+1 (16,000 - 40BB)

Preflop (Pot size: 400)
SB posts small blind 200
BB posts big blind 400
Hero bets 1,000
UTG+1 calls 1,000
MP folds
HJ calls 1,000
CO folds
BTN calls 1,000
SB folds
BB calls 600

Flop (Pot size: 5,600) []
BB checks dark
UTG+1 bets out of turn for 400
Folds to BB. BB calls
…
Hero?

Action is flawed. Correct ruling is that action immediately stops and is on UTG after UTG+1 acts out of turn (with UTG+1's premature action binding only if UTG checks or folds). UTG should always immediately protest the out-of-turn action, because some may rule UTG's hand dead if significant action occurs after UTG+1's play (because it's a bit of an angle move to 'see what happens' before announcing the error, and UTG gets to optionally close the action instead of starting it).

However, with significant action (fold, fold, call) after UTG+1's erroneous bet, the action now can no longer be backed up to UTG. Assuming his hand is not ruled dead (as skipped), action is now on UTG facing a 400 bet and call.

I'd tend to pop this bs min bet back pretty hard, with two clubs and all of the straight draws on the board. Pot size is currently 6400, which is probably exactly what I'm raising to. Happy to play for stacks, or add another 29% to my chips if both fold.

 

[ngmcs8203]

I’m a little confused - the action should have been on hero on the flop, did you check first after the bb checked?

UTG1 bet out of turn. We stopped and action was back on me. If I check his action stands. If I bet he has an option.

 

[ngmcs8203]

Action is flawed. Correct ruling is that action immediately stops and is on UTG after UTG+1 acts out of turn (with UTG+1's premature action binding only if UTG checks or folds). UTG should always immediately protest the out-of-turn action, because some may rule UTG's hand dead if significant action occurs after UTG+1's play (because it's a bit of an angle move to 'see what happens' before announcing the error, and UTG gets to optionally close the action instead of starting it).

However, with significant action (fold, fold, call) after UTG+1's erroneous bet, the action now can no longer be backed up to UTG. Assuming his hand is not ruled dead (as skipped), action is now on UTG facing a 400 bet and call.

I'd tend to pop this bs min bet back pretty hard, with two clubs and all of the straight draws on the board. Pot size is currently 6400, which is probably exactly what I'm raising to. Happy to play for stacks, or add another 29% to my chips if both fold.

Yep. We stopped action and it came back to me. I checked so his action stood.

 

[ngmcs8203]

Hmm forget the out of turn action for a second but that’s a tiny bet. Any reads as to what that means?

In my experience it’s usually been when someone is trying to draw cheaply so I think I’d bet somewhere around 3-3.5k to set up a nice turn shove size on safe cards. Makes it around 12k with 12k effective behind.

Having the in this spot is good for us too.

This player overvalues marginal hands, especially when they start as a premium and get demoted to marginal throughout the hand. I don’t know if he does this with a flush draw.

 

[RagingAZN]

This player overvalues marginal hands, especially when they start as a premium and get demoted to marginal throughout the hand. I don’t know if he does this with a flush draw.

Knowing that, I'm still going to go for my original bet of 3-3.5k and play for stacks on safe turn cards!

 

[ngmcs8203]

I’m a little confused - the action should have been on hero on the flop, did you check first after the bb checked?

UTG+1 acted out of turn and bet 400. Action came back to me, I checked so his bet would stand. It folded to the BB and he called.

 

[ngmcs8203]

Monthly league tourney. What makes this one interesting is that UTG+1 bet out of turn on the flop after BB had announced “check dark” as the flop was being dealt.

This was in the third level.

200/400 - Big Blind Ante - 8 players

Setup
UTG - Hero (23,000 - 57.5BB) []
UTG+1 (16,000 - 40BB)

Preflop (Pot size: 400)
SB posts small blind 200
BB posts big blind 400
Hero bets 1,000
UTG+1 calls 1,000
MP folds
HJ calls 1,000
CO folds
BTN calls 1,000
SB folds
BB calls 600

Flop (Pot size: 5,600) []
BB checks dark
UTG+1 bets out of turn for 400
Action returns to hero who checks.
UTG+1 bets 400.
Folds to BB who calls
…
Hero?

Hero was going to lead but decided to use the free info and checked with the intention of check raising. I like the idea of lowering the SPR as well but didn’t consider a turn jam. Also, the larger we go on the flop check raise, the more of his marginal hands fold.

My hope was that we keep those marginal hands and draws in. I think either way we look at it, a safe turn or river could mean playing for stacks.
…
Hero raises 1,500
UTG+1 calls 1,100
BB folds

Turn (Pot size: 9,000) [Q♣︎7♠︎9♣︎] [3♠︎]

Hero?

 

[TheRealTeddyKGB]

My memory sucks I guess. You had 23K at this point?

 

[ngmcs8203]

My memory sucks I guess. You had 23K at this point?

I have 20,500 on the turn.

 

[TheRealTeddyKGB]

I don't recall having that many chips at that point but I guess I did. Resume lol

 

[ngmcs8203]

I don't recall having that many chips at that point but I guess I did. Resume lol

Yea I was trying to keep count and think you were close to 70bb. All the orange chips.

 

[TheRealTeddyKGB]

Yea I was trying to keep count and think you were close to 70bb. All the orange chips.

You're probably correct. I'm still on tilt from the 1 outer lol

 

[TheRealTeddyKGB]

I don't recall having that many chips at that point but I guess I did. Resume lol

To BE CLEAR I wasn't the villain here lol

 

[ngmcs8203]

Hero was going to lead but decided to use the free info and checked with the intention of check raising. I like the idea of lowering the SPR as well but didn’t consider a turn jam. Also, the larger we go on the flop check raise, the more of his marginal hands fold.

My hope was that we keep those marginal hands and draws in. I think either way we look at it, a safe turn or river could mean playing for stacks.
…
Hero raises 1,500
UTG+1 calls 1,100
BB folds

Turn (Pot size: 9,000) [Q♣︎7♠︎9♣︎] [3♠︎]

Hero?

A pretty big blank but does bring in another flush draw. Hero has flush blockers for both flush draws. Hero sizes up for a potential river shove.

Turn (Pot size: 9,000) [3♠︎]
Hero bets 6,000
UTG+1 calls 6,000

River (Pot size: 21,000) [6♦︎]
Hero?

 

[BGinGA]

All of the missed flush and straight draws will fold to a river bet, so check and let him bluff at the pot with those hands. He might bet the river for you with queens, too (AQ, KQ, QJ, QT).

Also possible he's been slow playing QQ, 99, 77, or Q9 all this way, so your pocket Kings are not a lock.

 

[ngmcs8203]

Monthly league tourney. What makes this one interesting is that UTG+1 bet out of turn on the flop after BB had announced “check dark” as the flop was being dealt.

This was in the third level.

200/400 - Big Blind Ante - 8 players

Setup
UTG - Hero (23,000 - 57.5BB) []
UTG+1 (16,000 - 40BB)

Preflop (Pot size: 400)
SB posts small blind 200
BB posts big blind 400
Hero bets 1,000
UTG+1 calls 1,000
MP folds
HJ calls 1,000
CO folds
BTN calls 1,000
SB folds
BB calls 600

Flop (Pot size: 5,600) []
BB checks dark
UTG+1 bets out of turn for 400
Action returns to hero who checks.
UTG+1 bets 400.
Folds to BB who calls
…
Hero?

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Hero was going to lead but decided to use the free info and checked with the intention of check raising. I like the idea of lowering the SPR as well but didn’t consider a turn jam. Also, the larger we go on the flop check raise, the more of his marginal hands fold.

My hope was that we keep those marginal hands and draws in. I think either way we look at it, a safe turn or river could mean playing for stacks.
…
Hero raises 1,500
UTG+1 calls 1,100
BB folds

Turn (Pot size: 9,000) [] []

Hero?

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A pretty big blank but does bring in another flush draw. Hero has flush blockers for both flush draws. Hero sizes up for a potential river shove.

Turn (Pot size: 9,000) [] []
Hero bets 6,000
UTG+1 calls 6,000

River (Pot size: 21,000) []
Hero?

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This is a jam card for about 55% of my range and kings is squarely in that range. When I jam V is supposed to call with all of his big queens, 9s, sets, jacks... and if he's a studied player, even

Spoiler: Result

Hero is allin 14,500
UTG+1 folds

Summary (Pot size: 21,000)

After a minute of tanking UTG+1 says “do you really have T8?” Hero chuckled and UTG+1 tanked a little more before folding. Hero lets UTG choose a card to reveal. He chooses the UTG+1 flashes Turns out that my kings, in the end, were unintentionally turned into a bluff.

I chuckled at the question because there was no way in hell I'd ever open UTG with T8s at a full table, but then felt like a dummy when I got home to review the hand. I am supposed to show up with T8s in this spot.

 

[toothpic]

Is UTG+1 a nit?

Edit: I also suck at tournaments so maybe I'm wrong about trying to shovel more chips in the pot earlier.

 

[ngmcs8203]

Is UTG+1 a nit?

Edit: I also suck at tournaments so maybe I'm wrong about trying to shovel more chips in the pot earlier.

After he folded he said "I think I made a mistake here" and I kinda felt bad so I asked if he wanted to see one card before I mucked. I ended up doubling him up later when I had JJ and he had A9 AIPF. He turned an ace and I was crippled. I ended up busting a few hands before he did. Oh well. I must suck at tournaments too!

 

[toothpic]

After he folded he said "I think I made a mistake here" and I kinda felt bad so I asked if he wanted to see one card before I mucked. I ended up doubling him up later when I had JJ and he had A9 AIPF. He turned an ace and I was crippled. I ended up busting a few hands before he did. Oh well. I must suck at tournaments too!

That's normally how my tournaments go too lol