Help me with my first Gun Purchases (12 Viewers)

Wasn’t the founder (Gaston Glock) the target of a paid hit by one of his business partners? And he survived I think?

Yeah something like that, that is what I meant by "internal drama" haha since I couldn't remember all the details but its totally insane. Also not something you would expect to find in a sleepy small town in Austria...
 
If you haven't seen it there is a very interesting documentary on Netflix about GLOCK. It goes into the history of the company and some of the internal drama. GLOCK is actually a small company and at the time of the doc. I believe all the pistols were made in a small factory in Austria.

Is this the one you're talking about?

 
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Sig over Glocks and both way over S&W semi-autos. Can’t go wrong with a Glock and they are much simpler, but I much prefer the feel, weight, balance, etc. of Sigs. I’ve personally found them more accurate by about 5%, also.

Double tap on the shotgun recommendation. And, a bold, underline, italics on training with and being very familiar with anything you are remotely consider staking your life to for home defense, etc. Without muscle memory you will be hurting in a high stress situation and trying to operate equipment you don't know well.

Which way are you leaning?
 
I would choose a glock over S&W, Sig sure, but they are pricey for what you get in comparison ( as I say that I'm carrying a sig P365)

I still pick CZ over all for full size.

But buy a shotgun over a pistol- physical intimidation, just racking it could scare someone away, lack of ability to shoot yourself in the head (unless you intend to), and shot spread.

I'm not sure why anyone would be afraid of a shotgun going through the neighbors house, even with 00 buckshot - it's already starting out subsonic compared to any pistol round - I'm not sure I understand this argument. This is precisely why they have shotgun only hunting around cities and towns in my area-you need to get more rural for rifle.
 
I would choose a glock over S&W, Sig sure, but they are pricey for what you get in comparison ( as I say that I'm carrying a sig P365)

I still pick CZ over all for full size.

But buy a shotgun over a pistol- physical intimidation, just racking it could scare someone away, lack of ability to shoot yourself in the head (unless you intend to), and shot spread.

I'm not sure why anyone would be afraid of a shotgun going through the neighbors house, even with 00 buckshot - it's already starting out subsonic compared to any pistol round - I'm not sure I understand this argument. This is precisely why they have shotgun only hunting around cities and towns in my area-you need to get more rural for rifle.
I would chose a Glock over the S&W semi's anyday and I am not a Glock fan. For a semi my go to is Kimber, Beretta and Sig. Spend the extra money on a quality firearm. It is worth it! (not saying Glock is not a quality firearm though)
 
I would chose a Glock over the S&W semi's anyday and I am not a Glock fan. For a semi my go to is Kimber, Beretta and Sig. Spend the extra money on a quality firearm. It is worth it! (not saying Glock is not a quality firearm though)
I had a custom shop Kimber 9mm Aegis- loved it, I could shoot amazing tight groups, had an amazing trigger and reset.

But it was a bitch with ammo - way too picky. It would stove pipe and FTF cheap ammo consistently, as much as I wanted it as my EDC- the ammo issue forced me to let it go.

I did fucking love that beautiful gun...was a bitch to clean too, needed a paperclip to disassemble... that bugged me too.

I'll give glock takedown ability over all, I loved that, but I'm not a plastic gun fan. Loved my gen 4 19 and 34. But plastic..EWWW


again I say this as I carry a P365 which is polymer framed. -- but does have 12 in the mag and doesn't print at all when I carry.

and I hate striker fire, but still carry this thing.... it's a good gun.

If only my CZ Rami wasn't so bulky....


I think I tend to do the same with pistols as I did with chips, it's all about the hunt.... once I have it I'm bored. But I keep going back to the CZ, maybe I'll buy a Sig Legion and that will change.... maybe not.
 
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Ok, so I started drinking early (working from home so I saved 30 min commute)- here's a thought- if you're getting a permit, why not go the extra step and get your tax stamps and get an SBR silenced AR....

If you're gonna be a bear be a grizzly !

It's a very reasonable thing to do.... it's on my to do list.

If they aren't too communist in NJ, you could even go full auto..... It's only another $10 to $20 K - I think you could convince your wife of its economic viability.

'MERICA!
 
I had a custom shop Kimber 9mm Aegis- loved it, I could shoot amazing tight groups, had an amazing trigger and reset.

But it was a bitch with ammo - way too picky. It would stove pipe and FTF cheap ammo consistently, as much as I wanted it as my EDC- the ammo issue forced me to let it go.

I did fucking love that beautiful gun...was a bitch to clean too, needed a paperclip to disassemble... that bugged me too.

I'll give glock takedown ability over all, I loved that, but I'm not a plastic gun fan. Loved my gen 4 19 and 34. But plastic..EWWW


again I say this as I carry a P365 which is polymer framed. -- but does have 12 in the mag and doesn't print at all when I carry.

and I hate striker fire, but still carry this thing.... it's a good gun.

If only my CZ Rami wasn't so bulky....


I think I tend to do the same with pistols as I did with chips, it's all about the hunt.... once I have it I'm bored. But I keep going back to the CZ, maybe I'll buy a Sig Legion and that will change.... maybe not.
Did you change the spring in the Kimber? I did to a stronger spring and have no issues with my Crimson ProCarry
 
Did you change the spring in the Kimber? I did to a stronger spring and have no issues with my Crimson ProCarry
It was a custom shop gun - I spent almost $1200 on the POS, so I didn't think I needed to change anything... I would have bought a better spring.

But the stupid paper clip thing just really bugged me. I want to be able to disassemble in 2 seconds.

It was so pretty too...

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It was a custom shop gun - I spent almost $1200 on the POS, so I didn't think I needed to change anything... I would have bought a better spring.

But the stupid paper clip thing just really bugged me. I want to be able to disassemble in 2 seconds.

It was so pretty too...

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Sometimes they come with a very soft spring. I think I changed my factory 16 pond spring to a 20 pound spring which was a very nominal cost.

Yes a bit of a pain to breakdown but it does not get to me too bad since I only have to do it to clean it.
 
I had a custom shop Kimber 9mm Aegis- loved it, I could shoot amazing tight groups, had an amazing trigger and reset.

But it was a bitch with ammo - way too picky. It would stove pipe and FTF cheap ammo consistently, as much as I wanted it as my EDC- the ammo issue forced me to let it go.

I did fucking love that beautiful gun...was a bitch to clean too, needed a paperclip to disassemble... that bugged me too.

I was just about to reply with something similar about Kimbers when I saw your post.

Funny. My brother and I got my Dad a Kimber 1911 for his birthday 8 or 9 years ago. He never had a 1911 or a .45ACP and we wanted to make sure he experienced one...

On his birthday we gave him his gift, and he was so thrilled that we went right out to the range. Sad to say, we had stovepipes left and right. He eventually sent it in to Kimber two or three times, but something's just never been "right" about it. The stovepipes continued over the years (and yes, we were handling the firearm correctly).

If you Google "kimber stovepipe problem" you'll find a ton of forum threads on the issue. If I remember correctly (it's been a long time since I read up on the issue) it was due to bad tooling they had at one point that resulted in batches of bad extractors over the years. Even if they claim to stand by their product, it's definitely taken a bit of a shine off their reputation. The fact that they never got my Dad's 1911 "right" after numerous attempts means I can never buy one of their handguns again. It's a bit of bummer too, because they make some of the sexiest 1911s out there.
 
for me a good starting set would be
.22, 9 mm and shot gun
make sure your sites are night rated
the 22 (ruger about 400 to 500) saves money when target practicing sort of more bang for the buck
the 9 has stopping power and fun to shoot love the s&W or SIg but dont forget about the Beretta M9 (around 600-900 for full size.....1300 for performance version), one you should try out at the pistol range
the shot gun, well its a shot gun ..... that simple


also ultrasonics now clean your chips and guns... just make sure you use non corrosive cleaners like ultimate simple green
 
I was just about to reply with something similar about Kimbers when I saw your post.

Funny. My brother and I got my Dad a Kimber 1911 for his birthday 8 or 9 years ago. He never had a 1911 or a .45ACP and we wanted to make sure he experienced one...

On his birthday we gave him his gift, and he was so thrilled that we went right out to the range. Sad to say, we had stovepipes left and right. He eventually sent it in to Kimber two or three times, but something's just never been "right" about it. The stovepipes continued over the years (and yes, we were handling the firearm correctly).

If you Google "kimber stovepipe problem" you'll find a ton of forum threads on the issue. If I remember correctly (it's been a long time since I read up on the issue) it was due to bad tooling they had at one point that resulted in batches of bad extractors over the years. Even if they claim to stand by their product, it's definitely taken a bit of a shine off their reputation. The fact that they never got my Dad's 1911 "right" after numerous attempts means I can never buy one of their handguns again. It's a bit of bummer too, because they make some of the sexiest 1911s out there.

I have two custom Kimber 1911s. Very glad I got them as they are a unique run and built for the custom buy. I never had a jam in them and they are accurate like a mo-fo, but the 1911 is a unique animal. I mean...designed over 100 years ago, right?
 
I'm not a Glock fanboy by any stretch but they're reliable weapons. I own one, but it rarely leaves the safe. Personally I prefer 45's for home defense and 9mm for conceal carry. I'm currently carrying a S&W M&P 9 and a Springfield XD subcompact 9mm. As far as shotguns, I only own one for home defense. Remington 870 hands down is as good as they get. They work no matter what you throw at them. I have a couple of Benelli shotguns if you're interested in spending some coin they're nice guns but if I'm reaching for something to protect my home, its the 870. Also for handguns, I'm a Kimber fan myself, but they're pricey. I own too many of them but they're my favorite weapon as far as reliability and accuracy. I started with Kimbers when I used to shoot competition and I've never had love for anything like them. Now to be fair, I don't consider them a utility weapon like my 2 CC weapons, they're more a luxury.

Someone mentioned laser sights and flashlights. I'm not a fan, especially for home defense. All that does is tell an intruder where you are. You know you're home layout better than him. Shelter, and prepare to defend. If you need a laser or a flashlight to hit a target you've not handled the weapon enough. I take my kids and wife to the range regularly so that not only are the familiar with the weapons but so that I can teach them proper safety. We have a healthy respect for firearms in my home.
Love my Springfield XD 9mm
 
I'm not sure why anyone would be afraid of a shotgun going through the neighbors house, even with 00 buckshot - it's already starting out subsonic compared to any pistol round - I'm not sure I understand this argument.

I originally brought up the issue as a warning not to load the shotgun with slugs. A slug is essentially a 20 mm cannonball and it will go through average residence walls with no problem.

At the police academy, they had the story of an officer who reversed the order in an 870 pump. He mistakenly shot a slug, which went through all the apartments in a large building -- without hitting anyone. In my state, the "rule" that last shell in is first fired -- is still called by that officer's name.
 
Ruger 22 for practice, Mossberg for protection if you go for economy version or Benelli if you want to spend more
 
I have half a dozen 1911s and easily a couple hundred thousand rounds through them.

I would both never carry one and never buy a kimber lol. Gorgeous guns, not up for hard use though.

it would be hard to talk me off a CZ as a bedside gun. Weight doesn’t matter there.
 
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Handguns are personal preference. I own several and my new favorite is a Walther PPQ 9mm. Perfect size and weight for me. Get Federal Hydra-Shok ammo. Shotguns are a different story. 870s are cheap and easy to find. Nothing more manly than the sound of racking a 12 gauge. I have a Benelli Supernova 24" barrel. Great swing weight and short. Get Federal LE Tactical 00 Buckshot. It's the same stuff police use and it will blow a hole through a door and intruder. @Josh Kifer should weigh in.
 
First gun.... I am a PPQ fan, but appreciate glocks and M&Ps. Personally, grab a PPQ M2 9mm 4 inch and it'll shoot better then you'll ever need. Any 870/moss 500/winchester 1200 are fine shotguns. I always go 870/500 just from ease of parts. Grab a 12 pump, and you'll be good to go.

I wouldn't go any smaller then the PPQ 4 inch until you get alot of lead down range. It's more important to have 1 gun you know inside and out then multiple guns that don't get shot. Buy alot of ammo and keep shooting.
 
I was just about to reply with something similar about Kimbers when I saw your post.

Funny. My brother and I got my Dad a Kimber 1911 for his birthday 8 or 9 years ago. He never had a 1911 or a .45ACP and we wanted to make sure he experienced one...

On his birthday we gave him his gift, and he was so thrilled that we went right out to the range. Sad to say, we had stovepipes left and right. He eventually sent it in to Kimber two or three times, but something's just never been "right" about it. The stovepipes continued over the years (and yes, we were handling the firearm correctly).

If you Google "kimber stovepipe problem" you'll find a ton of forum threads on the issue. If I remember correctly (it's been a long time since I read up on the issue) it was due to bad tooling they had at one point that resulted in batches of bad extractors over the years. Even if they claim to stand by their product, it's definitely taken a bit of a shine off their reputation. The fact that they never got my Dad's 1911 "right" after numerous attempts means I can never buy one of their handguns again. It's a bit of bummer too, because they make some of the sexiest 1911s out there.
Kimbers used to be such nice pistols, boy did they go downhill over the years.
 
I've had zero issues with my Kimbers. Mine are older though so I can't attest to anything newer than probably 2002-03
Well, that's kinda proving my point. Lol. My first 1911 was a 2002 Kimber Royal II. Beautiful gun and shot like a champ. Had 3-4 others roll thru my safe and each other one has been hot trash.
 
Well, that's kinda proving my point. Lol. My first 1911 was a kimber Royal II. Beautiful gun and shot like a champ. Had 3-4 others roll thru my safe and each other one has been hot trash.
Right I'm just saying I've not had bad experiences is all. But I've not bought a Kimber in the last 17-18 years not because of quality issues buy because I've been trying other weapons and kinda went on a rifle kick (and for a short period bows). If I'm being honest at this point I'm probably gonna end up downsizing a bit, probably not selling just giving some to my kids.
 
Right I'm just saying I've not had bad experiences is all. But I've not bought a Kimber in the last 17-18 years not because of quality issues buy because I've been trying other weapons and kinda went on a rifle kick (and for a short period bows). If I'm being honest at this point I'm probably gonna end up downsizing a bit, probably not selling just giving some to my kids.
I always go thru rotations. Right now, deep in higher end 1911s. I feel like this one's going to stick for a a while....
 
I always go thru rotations. Right now, deep in higher end 1911s. I feel like this one's going to stick for a a while....
I'm just running out of space. We are looking at downsizing homes with the kids moving out and I need more storage options already. Better to just hook the kiddos up and right size things a bit.
 
Handguns are personal preference. I own several and my new favorite is a Walther PPQ 9mm. Perfect size and weight for me. Get Federal Hydra-Shok ammo. Shotguns are a different story. 870s are cheap and easy to find. Nothing more manly than the sound of racking a 12 gauge. I have a Benelli Supernova 24" barrel. Great swing weight and short. Get Federal LE Tactical 00 Buckshot. It's the same stuff police use and it will blow a hole through a door and intruder. @Josh Kifer should weigh in.
This is what’s in my Remington 11-87. Only this.

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