Have Chinese cards mold replica sets gone too far? (9 Viewers)
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Maybe he has just enough pride to avoid a direct copy of an existing ex-casino chip. And I commend him on his choice for not doing so.
Tributes! Imagine that.
Nice.
NotRealNameNoSir
4 of a Kind
Ah! If only more of us had pride not to cross over to the darkside, to valiantly protect the honor of a closed place of gambling and those that collect the chips from said viceden. Someday; we shall aspire.
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Johnblue
Flush
Yeah man,
I realized that for me, been around a while, have some awesome sets, a bunch of unfinished projects, a bunch of chips to sell, the last thing I need is a China knockoff ceramic set.
I am having a hard time justifying keeping Sahara Dunes leaded Cali chips that I spent 60c on, not because of the money, just because they don’t quite meet the muster of my collection.
And I am a very modest chip guy, I am by no means a “high end” set guy. Hard to beat my HSIs, hard to beat my solids. All bought a steal, by being around at the right time.
Trust me, I get the allure, they seem like cool fun cheap chips, so do China clays, but I don’t have any of those, or any other ceramics.
I am cool with the cards mold. Totally get why people love em, they solved the edge spot ceramic price problem, very well.
If you start a Fake China hat and cane mold, I will clown anyone, and I think it’s a problem. I doubt Tommy would allow people to buy/resell fake hat and cane molds and chippers here who participate in fake hat and cane mold, are going to get an earful from me, and hopefully everyone.
This pretty well describes my preferences as well. and I cringe when anyone puts any tomato based sauce (ketchup, BBQ, Heinz 57, A-1) on steaks that I have prepared. I make a mental note, and next time I grill, I'll buy sirloin for that person while everyone else gets ribeyes and strip steaks.
NotRealNameNoSir
4 of a Kind
100% on the last part, not touching that for sure, good call.
EDIT: Too many side points in this thread. I absolutely agree fake molds are dangerous, not the world-ender that some think but definitely a problem we should shun. I don't agree that cards molds of casino chips that have closed down as being some sort of dark side, or something to be ashamed of. Be proud of your chips and enjoy them, for sure, I just don't see these cheap pieces of plastic as damaging the brand of some closed down den of iniquity lol. For many of us, we're the only ones that care so much about our chips, half my players ask what denoms the chips are when its written on the front.
I'm new eyes though, I haven't hunted for the old sets. But as someone else said, I'm here to play poker and am not the collector type so I'm missing that context. Thanks for explaining your thoughts further, I perceived it as gatekeeping or elitism at first and that doesn't seem to be your intention.
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bergs
Royal Flush
I’m suspecting that the people that would do this don’t really care about getting an earful from you or anyone else
And I really doubt that Tommy or the mods are going to get involved in what people do outside of the site here in getting the chips or get involved in individual transactions.
ChipEnvy
Full House
Someone explain how copying face artwork is cool but copying mold artwork is somehow crossing a line?
Johnblue
Flush
If the Paulsons Hat and Cane design isn’t EXACTLY what trademark laws are all about, nothing is. The company currently uses it to distinguish its product. Exactly like Louis Vuitton logo, Rolex crown, Ford logo, McDonald’s logo. Etc.
You think it’s cool we use THIS forum to facilitate a bunch of fake Paulson hat and cane mold chips?
Paulson WILL crack down on fake hat and cane mold sellers, or it will abandon the mold completely.
It’s one thing to print some stickers to fill a set from a retired inactive casino, it’s entirely different to copy paulsons main active trademark to print 100s of thousands of fake poker chips.
The difference, is that Paulson currently will defend its trademark, it should, penalties will be incurred to any parties violating the trademark. It’s pretty cut and dry.
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bergs
Royal Flush
How will Paulson crack down on sellers here? Tommy isn’t responsible for the content on the site.
How will they crack down on Chinese manufacturers?
I’m not saying they shouldn’t - they probably should - I’m just curious how that would actually work.
Is TH&C even trademarked and/or legally protected somehow? I get the artwork on an inlay being protected by a mold?
FWIW, I was at the old ASM a long long time ago (2008?) and got a brief tour from JimB when I picked up my original Truman’s House chips and he had TH&C molds installed in a press. Not sure what the situation there was but it might not be as protected as some people are theorizing.
How will they crack down on Chinese manufacturers?
I’m not saying they shouldn’t - they probably should - I’m just curious how that would actually work.
Is TH&C even trademarked and/or legally protected somehow? I get the artwork on an inlay being protected by a mold?
FWIW, I was at the old ASM a long long time ago (2008?) and got a brief tour from JimB when I picked up my original Truman’s House chips and he had TH&C molds installed in a press. Not sure what the situation there was but it might not be as protected as some people are theorizing.
Perhaps neither is cool.
Marius L
4 of a Kind
Neither probably 100% cool, but gotta say there's at least an element of difference when using a different mold. People prefer to have some edition to the inlay design to make it clear it is a tribute, but the cards mold mold in itself is a pretty clear difference already, and makes it evident its not a real chip. However going even further with an identical (visually) mold with a thc/rhc mold, it does make it even worse to me.
As I said, I have no problem with the CM mold, and am certainly not worried about fraud concerning it. I decry only the lack of imagination/creativity and FOMO.
Same colours, same size, same inlay, and possibly same mold. Weight and feel slightly different. You're right, super wide basket. Dafuq is right. Lol
However, plenty of folks here complain about the slipperiness of CMs, but these RHCs my buddy picked up for me last weekend slide around worse than dice chips.
Johnblue
Flush
Took a little poking around, but I found this.
Paulson GPI has tons of protected material findable there.
I think at the minimum, Tommy gets a cease and desist order, if they want to go balls, they find the importer and charge him. Guarantee they have a lawyer on staff with nothing better to do.
https://trademarks.justia.com/901/32/n-90132401.html
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Meddler2
Full House
Interesting.
Meddler2
Full House
I wouldn't consider that a full-on tribute set...in the same way as say the New China Clubs are Apes for example.
ChipEnvy
Full House
Slightly different… just like Phil Ivey and I have slightly different results at the poker table. LOLZ
Meddler2
Full House
Is chip recipes protected in same way as the mold or artwork is? If CPC (or anybody) could produce a chip that felt, weighed, and sounded identical (regardless of mold) is that ok?
And if legally ok, would it be acceptable to PCF consumers?
And if legally ok, would it be acceptable to PCF consumers?
Yeah, if he’s hosting a website where they’re being sold, he’d probably get a letter. What happens after that is anybody’s guess.
TheTrout
Two Pair
Newbie here. I ordered a set of CMs to scratch an itch. Got some Grand Casino chips at a great price. From what I can tell, Tina chips have vibrant colors and are similar in weight to current (unleaded) Paulson chips. They will never replace the real thing for me, but I don’t mind a tribute set to a casino that is no longer in operation.
I am on the fence about the replicas of live casino chips, but the TinaHC would be a step too far in my opinion. I don’t look down on someone who disagrees, but the fact that the replica chips are made on a different mold and obviously not the actual chips makes me feel good about it. It’s really a celebration of an excellent design that is unfortunately very limited in quantity and out of the realistic price range for most of us. It’s hard to articulate a guiding set of “rules” for what is okay and what is not, but just based on gut feeling this is my opinion. It’s worth what you paid for it!! Happy chipping, y’all
I am on the fence about the replicas of live casino chips, but the TinaHC would be a step too far in my opinion. I don’t look down on someone who disagrees, but the fact that the replica chips are made on a different mold and obviously not the actual chips makes me feel good about it. It’s really a celebration of an excellent design that is unfortunately very limited in quantity and out of the realistic price range for most of us. It’s hard to articulate a guiding set of “rules” for what is okay and what is not, but just based on gut feeling this is my opinion. It’s worth what you paid for it!! Happy chipping, y’all
Applying for a patent on a recipe means they would need it to be publicly disclosed. Even the current secret formula for Coca-Cola isn't patented for this reason.
bergs
Royal Flush
I don’t think this is protected via trademark or copyright - but it’s definitely kept under wraps by the manufacturers. When JM and I were at ASM there no pictures allowed and he hurried us past the place where they work with the clay material (which is kinda like big rolls of plastic looking stuff).
I think you’re probably right, but it makes me wonder why BCC clay was different than Paulson clay. Maybe just to skirt some kind of non-disclosure agreement? But if there was a non-disclosure, wouldn’t there have been a non-compete too. I’m assuming those guys just gave zero effs. But the clay was different, wasn’t it?
What about just TiNAGB? Or was that what they were called before?
Exactly. Worn RHC and new CM aren't that far off in feel.
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