Guidance Needed for Set Structure (2 Viewers)

[TonyZur]

Hello all,

I’ve been lurking for a while and finally registered in hopes of getting some much needed guidance.

I’m looking to buy a set for low stakes home tournament play, and after searching the forum and reading, and realizing what I’m actually doing at my local bar league (tournament, 5x=1, 5x=2, 5x=5, 6x=10, starting blinds 1.00/2.00, so 50bb?) I think I’ve settle on a denomination ratio, and set, that I would like for home games.

I already bought a small set of nile clubs I’m not thrilled with. Got samples of DDLM and will be going with those. Looking for a 500 chip set, for 10 players, maybe occasionally a few more.

Here is the reasoning behind my plan:

-flexibility to do T5/10 or T25/50-base, (roughly) but with T.5 and T.25
-flexibility to start with 50, 100 or 200 bb
-I plan to eventually expand the set with higher denominations to do proper T25
-I like all the graphics and want them all eventually.
-people I will be playing with don’t know the structure behind all this, just want a smooth game.
-as I will only be doing tournament, I have no concern with people pocketing chips for later cash games. If it ever becomes a concern, I’ll finish the set with the higher denominations for tournament play.
-when I do expand the set, I will have the chips already to do cash (which I have never done and currently have no interest in)

I based the following loosely on a previous post from BGinGA regarding a cash-value low stakes tournament set ($20-$50). I’m more concerned with potential for variable structure (since I really don’t know exactly what I want for structure yet) than strict cash value tournament, but some folks I play with like near-cash value chips sometimes. And I like the graphics for the lower chips and don’t want to do too much semi-custom to change them, in case I ever re-sell or the chips are no longer readily available for customizing.


0.05 (semi-custom DDLM yellow chip): 100
0.25 125
1.00 125
5.00 100
25.00 50


Questions:

-What do you see wrong with this plan?

-Will I be able to do T.25 and T.5 (emulating T5 and T25) with this set for up to 10 people? I’ve gathered that T25 is usually 25/100/500/1000/5000 but will 25/100/500/2500 work, even if not ideal? If no, why not?

-Is my desired flexibility a pipe dream?

-Bonus Question: If money were not an issue (it is), how many chips of all the denominations (.5/.25/1/5/25/100/500/1000/5000) would I need to get to cover all the standard tournament bases for up to 10 players? I like the idea of a closet full of chips, and then I just take the stacks I need for a given night.

Thank you in advance for any help and advice, and feel free to eviscerate my plan, I’m new at this and don’t know what I don’t know. I also apologize if my terms and abbreviations and not conventional.


Best Regards

 

[allforcharity]

T5 base T2K (200BB) structure
10/10/7/2 starting stacks per player of T5/T25/T100/T500
you can do all rebuys/colour ups with extra T500

T25 base T10K (200BB) structure
12/12/5/6 of T25/T100/T500/T1000
you can do all rebuys/colour ups with T1000/T5000
you can also replace T1000 with T2000 and adjust accordingly

Your desired flexibility is not a pipe dream, but it does mean buying more chips to cover your structures. Just multiply all the above by the number of players you want to host (we consider 1 table to be 10-player max).

Some prefer to separate our tournament games from our cash games by keeping denoms separate to enhance security, for example:
Cash uses $0.25, $1, $5, and $20 with currency sign
Tournament uses (25,) 100, 500, 1000, 5000, 25000 without currency sign

You can check out the Cash and Tournament thread for more details.

 

[BGinGA]

Looking for a 500 chip set, for 10 players

-flexibility to do T5/10 or T25/50-base, (roughly) but with T.5 and T.25
-flexibility to start with 50, 100 or 200 bb

-when I do expand the set, I will have the chips already to do cash

0.05 (semi-custom DDLM yellow chip): 100
0.25 125
1.00 125
5.00 100
25.00 50

-Will I be able to do T.25 and T.5 (emulating T5 and T25) with this set for up to 10 people? I’ve gathered that T25 is usually 25/100/500/1000/5000 but will 25/100/500/2500 work?

Short answer is yes. However....

A 10-player T.05-base set with 200bb starting stacks (10/10/7/2 =T20 with .05/.10 opening blinds) will require:

100 x T.05
100 x T.25
100 x T1 (includes 30x for T.05/T.25 color-ups)
20 x T5
--------
320 total chips. A 50bb stack is 10/10/2 = T5, and a 100bb stack is 10/10/7 = T10. You won't need chips larger than T5.

A 10-player T.25-base set with 200bb starting stacks (12/12/7/2 =T100 with .25/.50 opening blinds) will require:

120 x T.25
120 x T1
100 x T5 (includes 30x for T.25/T1 color-ups)
20 x T25
--------
360 total chips. A 50bb stack is 12/12/2 = T25, and a 100bb stack is 12/12/7 = T50. You won't need chips larger than T25.

Combining the two reqirements into a single set that accomodates both T.05- and T.25-base:

100 x T.05
120 x T.25
120 x T1
100 x T5
20 x T25
--------
460 chips. But this doesn't cover tournament re-buys -- for those, you will need 20 more 5 chips and 20 more 25 chips, bringing the set total to 500 chips (100/120/120/120/40).

-What do you see wrong with this plan?

The breakdown above will not work as a cash set. It needs more .25 and 1 chips for a typical 5c/10c cash game, and needs more 1, 5 and 25 chips for a typical 25c/50c cash game:

100 x .05
200 x .25
200 x 1
200 x 5
100 x 25
--------
800 chips for a single-table combo cash/tournament set, minium. And if playing 10c/20c, you will also need another 100 x .05 chips. If playing .50/1 or 1/2, you will likely need some 100 chips and another 100 x $5 chips.

how many chips of all the denominations (.5/.25/1/5/25/100/500/1000/5000) would I need to get to cover all the standard tournament bases for up to 10 players?

100 x T.05 .... (T.05-base: 100/100/100/40=340 set, 10/10/7/2=T20 stacks)
120 x T.25 .... (T.25-base: 120/120/100/40=360 set, 12/12/7/2=T100 stacks)
120 x T1 ....... (T1-base: 100/130/120/30=380 set, 10/13/9/1=T400 stacks)
130 x T5 ....... (T5-base: 100/100/100/40=340 set, 10/10/7/2=T2000 stacks)
120 x T25 ..... (T25-base: 120/120/50/75/25=390 set, 12/12/5/6=T10000 stacks)
120 x T100 ... (T100-base: 120/60/110/120=390 set, 10/6/11/5=T40k stacks)
60 x T500 ..... (T500-base: 60/120/120/60=360 set, 6/12/12/5=T200k stacks)
120 x T1000
120 x T5000
60 x T25000 (optional for T100-base; required for T500-base)
--------
1070 chips, covering ten starting stacks, five re-buys, and all color-up chips required for each of the seven X-base tournament sets. Extra chips needed for any cash games not included.

All starting stacks contain between 10-16 chips of the two lowest denominations (except only 6x T500s).

 

[TonyZur]

Thank you both very much for the sound advice. I’ve ordered a set of DDLMs and am now waiting anxiously by my mailbox.

 

[digirati]

Short answer is yes. However....

A 10-player T.05-base set with 200bb starting stacks (10/10/7/2 =T20 with .05/.10 opening blinds) will require:

100 x T.05
100 x T.25
100 x T1 (includes 30x for T.05/T.25 color-ups)
20 x T5
--------
320 total chips. A 50bb stack is 10/10/2 = T5, and a 100bb stack is 10/10/7 = T10. You won't need chips larger than T5.

A 10-player T.25-base set with 200bb starting stacks (12/12/7/2 =T100 with .25/.50 opening blinds) will require:

120 x T.25
120 x T1
100 x T5 (includes 30x for T.25/T1 color-ups)
20 x T25
--------
360 total chips. A 50bb stack is 12/12/2 = T25, and a 100bb stack is 12/12/7 = T50. You won't need chips larger than T25.

Combining the two reqirements into a single set that accomodates both T.05- and T.25-base:

100 x T.05
120 x T.25
120 x T1
100 x T5
20 x T25
--------
460 chips. But this doesn't cover tournament re-buys -- for those, you will need 20 more 5 chips and 20 more 25 chips, bringing the set total to 500 chips (100/120/120/120/40).



The breakdown above will not work as a cash set. It needs more .25 and 1 chips for a typical 5c/10c cash game, and needs more 1, 5 and 25 chips for a typical 25c/50c cash game:

100 x .05
200 x .25
200 x 1
200 x 5
100 x 25
--------
800 chips for a single-table combo cash/tournament set, minium. And if playing 10c/20c, you will also need another 100 x .05 chips. If playing .50/1 or 1/2, you will likely need some 100 chips and another 100 x $5 chips.



100 x T.05 .... (T.05-base: 100/100/100/40=340 set, 10/10/7/2=T20 stacks)
120 x T.25 .... (T.25-base: 120/120/100/40=360 set, 12/12/7/2=T100 stacks)
120 x T1 ....... (T1-base: 100/130/120/30=380 set, 10/13/9/1=T400 stacks)
130 x T5 ....... (T5-base: 100/100/100/40=340 set, 10/10/7/2=T2000 stacks)
120 x T25 ..... (T25-base: 120/120/50/75/25=390 set, 12/12/5/6=T10000 stacks)
120 x T100 ... (T100-base: 120/60/110/120=390 set, 10/6/11/5=T40k stacks)
60 x T500 ..... (T500-base: 60/120/120/60=360 set, 6/12/12/5=T200k stacks)
120 x T1000
120 x T5000
60 x T25000 (optional for T100-base; required for T500-base)
--------
1070 chips, covering ten starting stacks, five re-buys, and all color-up chips required for each of the seven X-base tournament sets. Extra chips needed for any cash games not included.

All starting stacks contain between 10-16 chips of the two lowest denominations (except only 6x T500s).

I think the T100 would have a set of 410. Also, is that five total rebuys (e.g., only five players rebuy once)?