Do you think Robbi Jade Lew cheated? Poll (3 Viewers)

Did she cheat?

  • Yes

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From the guy who took the $15K…

Tweet aged well

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Windwalker said:
He has full visibility of the equity because the software in front of him shows it in real time as an overlay.

Again, just a theory, but if there was tech to be used, this is the most likely one. And him being in control of it is interesting circumstantial evidence.

This has become quite the caper story.
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It’s funny, In the 40 min interview with her (poker news?) she mentioned her mic pack. She was asked about the outline that somebody thought indicated a phone in her pocket. She said that she had no phone, that her leggings/pants were super tight and had no pockets. And she mentioned that since she had no pockets, her mic pack was just jammed into her pants. I pictured it behind her, but I don’t think she actually said that, I think maybe I just assumed it because actors so often stick them back there.
So who knows.
But it’s interesting to me that she actually mentioned the very thing that might have been her cheating tool.
I still have a hard time believing that’s what happened, because other analysts haven’t identified many suspect hands. And if you were going to cheat that way, wouldn’t you do it A LOT?
I dunno - this kind of speculation is useless.
 
upNdown said:
It’s funny, In the 40 min interview with her (poker news?) she mentioned her mic pack. She was asked about the outline that somebody thought indicated a phone in her pocket. She said that she had no phone, that her leggings/pants were super tight and had no pockets. And she mentioned that since she had no pockets, her mic pack was just jammed into her pants. I pictured it behind her, but I don’t think she actually said that, I think maybe I just assumed it because actors so often stick them back there.
So who knows.
But it’s interesting to me that she actually mentioned the very thing that might have been her cheating tool.
I still have a hard time believing that’s what happened, because other analysts haven’t identified many suspect hands. And if you were going to cheat that way, wouldn’t you do it A LOT?
I dunno - this kind of speculation is useless.
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So they change out the mic pack light internally with a cell phone vibrator
He’d have to keep that one hidden when not in use

That mic pack though is interesting

Just for her to call there JUST because she got a signal not thinking what
With this
This will look fuked
You gotta just be mindless to go with the signal
But if it’s J6 clubs the signal man sees that’s making sense but you don’t need to cheat there like IDK
IF you’re right and fold to a better flush draw too much it’s looking like the Apostle again soon
 
Windwalker said:
Again, all circumstantial.
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Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. I've heard a lot of people say "there isn't any direct evidence". Even in criminal law, circumstantial evidence can be enough for a conviction. It's harder to persuade though, which is clearly evident in these threads.

The growing body of circumstantial evidence is more and more convincing to me. Less a case of if and more of how. Interesting hypotheses are being offered which I'm sure are being investigated by Hustler Live

One pattern that is also apparent to me is the psychological tendency of some individuals to not accept a fraud has occurred. I'm not speaking about anyone here specifically but it's an observed pattern that victims of fraud have a strong cognitive bias against accepting what the evidence shows to be true. Old folks are being preyed on by scammers until every penny is gone even when family members warn them what is happening. Employers are defrauded by long-time employees or suppliers. This kind of thing happens so often and you would not believe how often you will hear "so and so was so nice, it's still hard to believe it happened". Never assume fraud, but never ignore the possibility.

The biggest motivators of fraud are a need for cash which is generally related to either a gambling addiction, a substance addiction, or an illicit relationship. Lifestyle stuff can also become a motivator once the easy money keeps flowing. Nobody steals to put extra money in their 401k.
 
Highli99 said:
This kind of thing happens so often and you would not believe how often you will hear "so and so was so nice, it's still hard to believe it happened".
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I’ve known two different business owners, both very savvy and successful, who discovered their bookkeepers had been stealing hundreds of thousands for years.

Both did it the simplest way imaginable—cutting themselves extra checks.

Each victim found out only by accident, after years of not suspecting anything.
 
Anyone make anything of the red ring disappearing? Was the red ring part of it? Did it vibrate? The way she takes it off and seems to hide it is weird.
 
chutracheese said:
Anyone make anything of the red ring disappearing? Was the red ring part of it? Did it vibrate? The way she takes it off and seems to hide it is weird.
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Oh. In that 40 minute interview, she also mentioned that the jewelry she was wearing that night was worth more than her buyin. Because apparently that was important for us to know.
 
Windwalker said:
So, I have to now change my vote, given the latest development.

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Background: I know Bryan very well, as I almost always got to the livestreams early, and he’s one of the guys that helps you mike up.

One of the things they tell you to do is to NOT turn on and off your mike yourself, and to just let the dealer know you want to be muted. Bryan is one of the guys that mutes you when you request this.

When you’re muted, your mike pack moves to a red indicator light, from green.

Her not pressing charges is potentially indicative of him outing her for collusion with him, doesn’t make any sense. Him stealing money from her is potentially indicative of him being angry that she gave the money back, which would have been his cut. If his cut was 10%, $15k seems like an appropriate calculation of that from $135k.

The easiest indicator for that person to make a “call / fold” signal would be to mute / unmute that mic. I haven’t reviewed the hand to see if she looks at her mike pack, but it’s a decent theory.

Sigh.
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I find this very hard to buy without further proof.

She was talking a lot during the tank and her voice wasn't cutting in and out. Also if you're the guy in the booth why are you giving the signal when you are behind on a call. She was at 47% equity and the RFID isn't picking up the cards in the deck to come.
 
Skagglio said:
She was talking a lot during the tank and her voice wasn't cutting in and out. Also if you're the guy in the booth why are you giving the signal when you are behind on a call. She was at 47% equity and the RFID isn't picking up the cards in the deck to come.
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It was a profitable call even being behind, given the money already in the pot. She had to call $109k to win a $161k pot. That's 40%. Her 47% equity in the hand was enough to call... but only if she knew her equity was 47% i.e. only if she knew what both hands were.

Anyone on the production staff who had access to the real-time information, such as the thief and felon who was hired to do exactly that job, would, with computer assistance, have been able to know that she would be making a profit by calling. Not a huge profit, but a profit nevertheless, and of course poker is a game of small edges producing small profits in the long run which are disguised by huge profits and losses in the short run in order to distract fools, suckers, and the mathematically illiterate.
 
Hey, let's hear it for Garret! I started out defending him and even I was beginning to shit on him a bit. But it's beginning to look like maybe he's not a dick for keeping that rack.
All I can imagine is that he suspected something was going on, prior to that hand. I still don't believe his reaction (and behavior over the following days) was just in reaction to the improbability of that call.
 
Having worked in the gaming/hospitality industry for a long time, I can say with some certainty, that when checking footage of a theft, incident, complaint, staff disciplinary matter, etc, it is not that unusual to discover other completely unrelated incidents, acts or behaviors (including thefts). Probably happens 1 in 10-15 times, especially in big cash businesses. Not saying this is the case here, but for balance, just know it's not that uncommon.

Dealers, slot attendants, count room staff, and beverage servers all handle cash and you'd be amazed at how many have sticky fingers and also think they'll never get caught. Even at the highest of levels, it happens. There is a case I know of, where fraud investigators attended a large gaming business to investigate a multi-million dollar theft by the CFO (invoices and fraudulent payments to imaginary contractors) walked in and asked to see their assistant to help in the investigation process. The assistant was told "we are here to investigate a fraud" and immediately gave himself up for his own (but completely separate) 300k scam :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:.

@Windwalker much has been made of Robbi wanting the 2 seat in this game, getting it from HCL management but others drawing for seats. On one of the S4Y podcasts this week, they stated several times that you often asked for the 4 seat on HCL. If true, were they accommodating?
 
CrazyEddie said:
It was a profitable call even being behind, given the money already in the pot. She had to call $109k to win a $161k pot. That's 40%. Her 47% equity in the hand was enough to call... but only if she knew her equity was 47% i.e. only if she knew what both hands were.

Anyone on the production staff who had access to the real-time information, such as the thief and felon who was hired to do exactly that job, would, with computer assistance, have been able to know that she would be making a profit by calling. Not a huge profit, but a profit nevertheless, and of course poker is a game of small edges producing small profits in the long run which are disguised by huge profits and losses in the short run in order to distract fools, suckers, and the mathematically illiterate.
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huh?
 
CrazyEddie said:
It was a profitable call even being behind, given the money already in the pot. She had to call $109k to win a $161k pot. That's 40%. Her 47% equity in the hand was enough to call... but only if she knew her equity was 47% i.e. only if she knew what both hands were.

Anyone on the production staff who had access to the real-time information, such as the thief and felon who was hired to do exactly that job, would, with computer assistance, have been able to know that she would be making a profit by calling. Not a huge profit, but a profit nevertheless, and of course poker is a game of small edges producing small profits in the long run which are disguised by huge profits and losses in the short run in order to distract fools, suckers, and the mathematically illiterate.
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So why the min raise when behind if she was going off of signals? It makes no sense for her action beforehand. Whoever is in the booth is not going to give a green light with J4o with less than 50% equity. I need proof of cheating from production.
 
Skagglio said:
So why the min raise when behind if she was going off of signals? It makes no sense for her action beforehand. Whoever is in the booth is not going to give a green light with J4o with less than 50% equity. I need proof of cheating from production.
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Would that min raise ever be right, with any holdings?
When I see that bet, I assume she’s an idiot, regardless of holdings. But I barely know what I’m talking about, so this is a serious question.
 
Skagglio said:
I find this very hard to buy without further proof.

She was talking a lot during the tank and her voice wasn't cutting in and out. Also if you're the guy in the booth why are you giving the signal when you are behind on a call. She was at 47% equity and the RFID isn't picking up the cards in the deck to come.
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They switched out some cards at one point in the broadcast (I don’t remember which) but essentially, there’s a good chance they thought she had :jc::6c:
 
AH77 said:
They switched out some cards at one point in the broadcast (I don’t remember which) but essentially, there’s a good chance they thought she had :jc::6c:
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Based on what? Her cards are showing correctly at time of min raise.
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Skagglio said:
So why the min raise when behind if she was going off of signals? It makes no sense for her action beforehand. Whoever is in the booth is not going to give a green light with J4o with less than 50% equity. I need proof of cheating from production.
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I wasn't arguing that any of her actions were good. I was pointing out that, if she or anyone knew exactly what her equity was when facing the all-in, calling the all-in was the correct play. But of course it's not possible that she could have known that without cheating.

I'm also (still) not saying that she was cheating. I'm saying that if she was cheating, she was mathematically correct to call, even though she was behind.
 
Garret could save a lot of face by putting the money in escrow right now. Even if he is right, (I have no idea what to believe at this point) it'll look really good.
 

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