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Reading over past threads on the topic, it seems most folks consider 100bb normal, 200bb deep, and less than 100bb short. There’s a few people who play very deep, 400bb or more, even 1000bb.

When playing deep, how does the betting change? Are opening raises higher, e.g. 10x rather than 3x? Or is betting mostly the same until someone decides to shove, and then they’re simply shoving a larger stack?

If a game is playing 500bb or 1000bb deep (meaning the typical stack is that deep, not just that one or two guys have won or bought huge stacks), isn’t that essentially playing without blinds?

What are the pros on TV doing sitting there with thousands or tens of thousands of bb piled up in front of them?
 
I think the real question is what is the total bankroll the players are coming to the game. If you're playing 500 bb stacks but have 1500 bb willing to play in a session is very different than playing for 500 bb for the session. In the former, should just raise the blinds... in the lattter, post flop play becomes much more interesting.
 
I think 200bb is deep 300bb is about the max deep anything that is 300 or more starting deep you prob should be playing at a higher stake.

From my experience, when people starting with much deeper stake they tend to bet much more and re-raise much more, rather from 3-4x raise they tend to raise about 6-8x since our stake is deeper
 
With stacks that large in relation to the blinds, you end up in situations where it’s much more difficult to become pot committed, and you start to find a lot more complex situations. When you’re 100bb deep, with bottom set facing a shove you might just say “if he has it he has it”. 1000bb deep - good players start to get away from much better hands in dangerous situations, and run bluffs that are able to get very strong non-nutted hands off pots.
There’s a lot of books that talk about the nuances of deep stack play, it’s really interesting
 
Hands like overpairs go down in value whereas drawing hands such as Axs go up. Generelly, when deep you wanna make sure your draws are to the nuts. Making a near nut second best hand can be very costly.

Also blockers become more important the deeper you get as you can run big bluffs when blocking the nuts. With a 100bbs people will just shrug and call anyway.
 
Opening raise sizes really SHOULDN'T change. Though you will see some games like this. Good example being 1/3 match the stack games in Texas. In reality, when you and your opponents are 300+bb deep, you all should be 3 and 4 betting more often. You can also run more bluffs and fold stronger hands. It gets more complicated.

3 and 4 betting more often though it's very important because it narrows the hand ranges and makes the stack to pot ratio smaller. When SPR is smaller you can stack off with strong non-nutted hands more easily. It obviously also makes it so you can win more money. Plus, a lot of people don't adjust properly when playing 3 bet pots. So if you are good you can really take advantage.
 
Bet sizes should change but the change in open raise sizing is very small between 200 and 400bb deep.

in a 20bb cap nl game for instance min raises are pretty well the only “solver approved” open size afaik (aside from open raises from the sb).

the bigger difference is in sizing on later streets. The betting, especially out of position, gets larger (as a percent of the pot) because you have larger stacks and the in position player is more willing to call a larger bet all else equal. Also means that more of your range is checked out of position.
 
I agree with some of what is said above. The opening sizes generally don’t change because the goal is to sometimes win the blinds/dead money. It doesn’t make as much since to risk more money for the same low blinds.

3 and 4 bets are more common, as are playing with drawing and versatile hands.

The biggest and most obvious difference is the SPR (stack to pot ratio). This makes it lucrative to call some hands even when you know your opponent has AA. (If you think he will be more likely to commit his large stack with one pair).
Various charts and books mention that you should absolutely stack off with a low SPR (<2) when you have top pair. Yet, if the SPR is high (>8), you would be playing poorly to stack off with top pair only.
 

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