I thought I heard someone say it was a cold stamped and that was why. Maybe I just misremembering. Anyone else hear that?
100% wrong.
They are cold stamps, they do not get pressed into the chip with heat. So they are only stamped onto the surface. Below are some examples that the stamp didn't fully press onto the chip, the wear is not from use, they are new. This is the common drawback to CPCs stamping.Can you please elaborate on the issue with CPC Hot Stamp wear issues (if there truly are any). I am looking at ordering a custom set, but if there are wear issues with the stamps I am not sure I want to drop that kind of money.
10 years and regular use? Sounds awesome! Not sure I have seen your customs any shots of the stamps?The issue with CPC stamping is that they don’t stamp deep enough.
The fundamental principle is the same regardless of who stamps the chips - the is a die that gets heated, that is pressed into foil, held on the chip for a certain amount of time at a specific pressure. That is a hot stamp.
Cold stamp is a PCF creation and it used to refer to stamping with ink. Generally on chips that couldn’t be hot stamped.
There are three basic types of hot stamping machines. Light use manual (any of the Kingsley M- models for example), Light use pneumatic (Kingsley AM- models), and then a multitude of commercial grade high output machines.
The manual machine is an art form - you can set the temp, but the pressure on dwell time is dependent on the user. Tough to get consistent results, but when you get rolling it’s great. Not very quick.
The pneumatic machine takes the variable of the dwell time and pressure out. You just need to get it dialled in. Pretty quick after setup.
Commercial machines are great for high production, on lower quality chips.
The issues with clay chips are multiple and variable.
All colours stamp at a slightly different temp.
All colours stamp at a slightly different pressure.
All colours stamp at a slightly different dwell time.
All of the above is compounded by what mold is used.
All of the above is also compounded with the slight variation in the face of the chips.
The ones that @FordPickup92 posted are lower one the side that didn’t get the stamp (or higher on the side that did).
The only way I figured out to overcome this was by stamping deeper. The issue with stamper deeper is that you create flash around the stamp that then needs to be scraped off (see old TRK stamps and you can see the razor marks). I don’t think that CPC wants to get into offering that as a service. It’s not a ton of fun.
To my knowledge, there isn’t a “casino grade” stamp, but there may be crappy foil on the market. I found a good supplier and then stuck with them.
I’ve had my set that I stamped probably 10 years ago that sees regular usage - there are zero issues with stamps fading.
I’ve also stamped some BCC chips that the stamps looked like the CPC ones - the clay is just different (MSpatton had the same issue, I think SOK was the only one that crushed them on a regular basis).
I’d recommend going with a third party for now. At a minimum the die costs will be much better than CPC.
I'm gonna be annoying you SO much.....The issue with CPC stamping is that they don’t stamp deep enough.
The fundamental principle is the same regardless of who stamps the chips - the is a die that gets heated, that is pressed into foil, held on the chip for a certain amount of time at a specific pressure. That is a hot stamp.
Cold stamp is a PCF creation and it used to refer to stamping with ink. Generally on chips that couldn’t be hot stamped.
There are three basic types of hot stamping machines. Light use manual (any of the Kingsley M- models for example), Light use pneumatic (Kingsley AM- models), and then a multitude of commercial grade high output machines.
The manual machine is an art form - you can set the temp, but the pressure on dwell time is dependent on the user. Tough to get consistent results, but when you get rolling it’s great. Not very quick.
The pneumatic machine takes the variable of the dwell time and pressure out. You just need to get it dialled in. Pretty quick after setup.
Commercial machines are great for high production, on lower quality chips.
The issues with clay chips are multiple and variable.
All colours stamp at a slightly different temp.
All colours stamp at a slightly different pressure.
All colours stamp at a slightly different dwell time.
All of the above is compounded by what mold is used.
All of the above is also compounded with the slight variation in the face of the chips.
The ones that @FordPickup92 posted are lower one the side that didn’t get the stamp (or higher on the side that did).
The only way I figured out to overcome this was by stamping deeper. The issue with stamper deeper is that you create flash around the stamp that then needs to be scraped off (see old TRK stamps and you can see the razor marks). I don’t think that CPC wants to get into offering that as a service. It’s not a ton of fun.
To my knowledge, there isn’t a “casino grade” stamp, but there may be crappy foil on the market. I found a good supplier and then stuck with them.
I’ve had my set that I stamped probably 10 years ago that sees regular usage - there are zero issues with stamps fading.
I’ve also stamped some BCC chips that the stamps looked like the CPC ones - the clay is just different (MSpatton had the same issue, I think SOK was the only one that crushed them on a regular basis).
I’d recommend going with a third party for now. At a minimum the die costs will be much better than CPC.
I'm gonna be annoying you SO much.....
Oh, I have. And there is so much more coming. But that's the blessing with getting his old setup.Who says you already aren't?
Oh, I have. And there is so much more coming. But that's the blessing with getting his old setup.
I just need a dang gun to sell and I can get the blanks ordered. Already got the spots set and design being wrapped up for the first set.
I am never gonna financially recover from this...
Who says you already aren't?
10 years and regular use? Sounds awesome! Not sure I have seen your customs any shots of the stamps?
Soo many amazing chips in there, CSQ is my favorite too! But definitely never seen that Key half pie from CPC, was that an ASM only option or just no one uses it anymore? Beautiful stamps indeed! Thank you for sharing.I’ve sold some of the denominations off, but here is a group shot.
I checked my emails and the first batch was ordered in 2009, crazy!
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I think it’s the normal half pie they use. It’s neat because half of the chips have the maroon key and half are yellow.Soo many amazing chips in there, CSQ is my favorite too! But definitely never seen that Key half pie from CPC, was that an ASM only option or just no one uses it anymore? Beautiful stamps indeed! Thank you for sharing.
Soo many beautiful combinations in there! That 10 cent green is freaking awesome! Wish that 10kwash green/pink/white (water melon combos FTW) but amazing just like it is!If you can get stamps that quality I will have some large orders for you Kifer
Love the $20 @monkeydog all great chips
If you can get stamps that quality I will have some large orders for you Kifer
Love the $20 @monkeydog all great chips
I can only hope I get Monkeydogs sweet sweet touch.....If you can get stamps that quality I will have some large orders for you Kifer
Love the $20 @monkeydog all great chips
I did pick it up, bad news is, this is it's last stop on the road for an extended period. But Hot Stamping will be added to the list of services I'm going to offer once we get setup and tuned in.Did you buy his old stamping machine and setup? Dibbs if you ever want to move it along to the next person!
And this is what too much heat and time can do…The issue with CPC stamping is that they don’t stamp deep enough.
The fundamental principle is the same regardless of who stamps the chips - the is a die that gets heated, that is pressed into foil, held on the chip for a certain amount of time at a specific pressure. That is a hot stamp.
Cold stamp is a PCF creation and it used to refer to stamping with ink. Generally on chips that couldn’t be hot stamped.
There are three basic types of hot stamping machines. Light use manual (any of the Kingsley M- models for example), Light use pneumatic (Kingsley AM- models), and then a multitude of commercial grade high output machines.
The manual machine is an art form - you can set the temp, but the pressure on dwell time is dependent on the user. Tough to get consistent results, but when you get rolling it’s great. Not very quick.
The pneumatic machine takes the variable of the dwell time and pressure out. You just need to get it dialled in. Pretty quick after setup.
Commercial machines are great for high production, on lower quality chips.
The issues with clay chips are multiple and variable.
All colours stamp at a slightly different temp.
All colours stamp at a slightly different pressure.
All colours stamp at a slightly different dwell time.
All of the above is compounded by what mold is used.
All of the above is also compounded with the slight variation in the face of the chips.
The ones that @FordPickup92 posted are lower one the side that didn’t get the stamp (or higher on the side that did).
The only way I figured out to overcome this was by stamping deeper. The issue with stamper deeper is that you create flash around the stamp that then needs to be scraped off (see old TRK stamps and you can see the razor marks). I don’t think that CPC wants to get into offering that as a service. It’s not a ton of fun.
To my knowledge, there isn’t a “casino grade” stamp, but there may be crappy foil on the market. I found a good supplier and then stuck with them.
I’ve had my set that I stamped probably 10 years ago that sees regular usage - there are zero issues with stamps fading.
I’ve also stamped some BCC chips that the stamps looked like the CPC ones - the clay is just different (MSpatton had the same issue, I think SOK was the only one that crushed them on a regular basis).
I’d recommend going with a third party for now. At a minimum the die costs will be much better than CPC.
I been in line fool
Sprouty talking smack to someone I use for graphic design.... Lolz. wOnDeR WhO WiLL WiN!I been in line fool
I did pick it up, bad news is, this is it's last stop on the road for an extended period. But Hot Stamping will be added to the list of services I'm going to offer once we get setup and tuned in.
Sprouty talking smack to someone I use for graphic design.... Lolz. wOnDeR WhO WiLL WiN!
........ it took you a year and 9 months to say.... that ........Me, obviously!
........ it took you a year and 9 months to say.... that ........