Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (60 Viewers)

[Kam]

He doesn't have to design all the group buys, but I think this photo should probably at least get him like a quick peek at all group buys from now on in case he has a pointer or two to share.

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Naaah, he’s overrated. Artists impression of him using all the bright Paulson dayglo colors on 5 chips:

To be honest, most folk should just avoid embarrassment and sell. Especially any radiant red, light violet, almond and pink chips that have a 25c in the middle. To me.

*the 50c in that private collection is pure fire.

 

[Saoliver]

He doesn't have to design all the group buys, but I think this photo should probably at least get him like a quick peek at all group buys from now on in case he has a pointer or two to share.

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1st edit - This also belongs in the bulls**t thread because these are, by far and away, the best Tiger set made (having nothing to do with scarcity).

The Tiger's themselves don't fall into any top list of mine, none of them have cracked my "forever" sets. But this specific tiger set is my favorite chipset I've ever played with.

Even if they're like $20k and I wouldn't buy them, I just want to see one available!

2nd edit - I may be overstanning, cause RPCs were hot. And then ya boy over in England did some great shit that was executed super well on all those personal one off group buys.

Yo, I was gonna say, “Stop riding his dick” before the edits.

 

[BarrieJ3]

If you’re posting classifieds here, selling chips, but don’t say how many chips or duplicates of whatever you’re selling, you’re a vendor.

 

[nezara]

If you’re posting classifieds here, selling chips, but don’t say how many chips or duplicates of whatever you’re selling, you’re a vendor.

Is this directed at me? I'll pm you quantity for my post if it matters. It I can post if it's a rule

 

[BarrieJ3]

Is this directed at me? I'll pm you quantity for my post if it matters. It I can post if it's a rule

No I'd @ you it if was.

Does your WSOP post fit the description, sure. But I have about 50+ folks I would think qualify as vendors whether that's opaque sales or constant posting their weekly garage sale finds, or grab chips from ongoing vegas chips and reselling here, etc.

Simply a controversial post for my favorite thread.

I don't know that there's necessarily one single person that comes to mind. And many of those that start to come to mind I'd consider friends or acquaintances

Nevertheless, I stand by my statement that there's a large number of chippers who I'd say fall under the Vendor umbrella.

 

[upNdown]

Nevertheless, I stand by my statement that there's a large number of chippers who I'd say fall under the Vendor umbrella.

I’m with you on this and on the larger point. I’d rather that sellers disclose everything that might be relevant to the transaction. That would be perfect. But I’ve given up on trying to distinguish flippers and vendors and profiteers from simple sellers.
Buy at the price you’re comfortable with, and god help the uneducated buyer. It’s a hard hobby to crack.

 

[BarrieJ3]

I’m with you on this and on the larger point. I’d rather that sellers disclose everything that might be relevant to the transaction. That would be perfect. But I’ve given up on trying to distinguish flippers and vendors and profiteers from simple sellers.
Buy at the price you’re comfortable with, and god help the uneducated buyer. It’s a hard hobby to crack.

Something I find a tad hilarious.

I’ve lost plenty chipping, I’ve gotta be down a not insignificant amount through the years (I’m not kind, I’m just impatient).

And now, not one of my sets came from $ or trading up or trading hard to get chips or something I bought and held for years. I’m too stupid to ever make good chipping decisions.

Every chip set I own, I only because of friends.

Almost a decade of chipping, 100 different sets, 14k messages, a tattoo, and I still haven’t remotely cracked the hobby. Or maybe I already won.

 

[buckeye09076]

Recently had someone ship me an AirTag to put in the package they bought from me. Good move!

Recenlty a buyer had me ship the set including an air tag he sent me. I’ll be doing that as well in the future.

As the guy that sent an AirTag to both of these sellers (and others!), it was because of a very hard and expensive lesson learned with a lost FedEx package of some pretty rare chips. I had a couple of smaller chip packages have issues with USPS (including denied insurance claim), but the FedEx issue stung a lot more. After that incident, I spent a lot of time researching shipping issues, and AirTags seem like the simplest and most cost effective way to help mitigate lost package risk.

 

[ChipFinderSK]

Controversial opinion: sellers should have to list split pricing on sets, even if they don’t plan to split (and even if the split pricing is higher than the price of the full set). If chips are listed at a huge markup, potential buyers should have a general idea on how you came up with that number.

There are too many times when a set gets listed at a high price, the ad gets filled with “$5s if split” comments, and then when the seller finally agrees to split and lists prices, all the “if split” people back out bc the desired chips are too expensive.

Let’s save everyone some time/hassle.

 

[allforcharity]

Controversial opinion: sellers should have to list split pricing on sets, even if they don’t plan to split (and even if the split pricing is higher than the price of the full set). If chips are listed at a huge markup, potential buyers should have a general idea on how you came up with that number.

There are too many times when a set gets listed at a high price, the ad gets filled with “$5s if split” comments, and then when the seller finally agrees to split and lists prices, all the “if split” people back out bc the desired chips are too expensive.

Let’s save everyone some time/hassle.

I counter this opinion. Those who wish to split off a portion of a sale item should offer a $ value with their offer, so seller can determine if it is worthwhile for them to split.

Let's save everyone some time/hassle.

 

[ChipFinderSK]

I counter this opinion. Those who wish to split off a portion of a sale item should offer a $ value with their offer, so seller can determine if it is worthwhile for them to split.

Let's save everyone some time/hassle.

This would work too, though on the buy side, it can be difficult to tell what would be considered a fair offer. Which is why it’d be easier to work off of the seller’s expectations.

Don’t know if the last line was meant to be combative, but we are looking to accomplish the same goal so no problem.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Same goal, but the difference (as I see it):

Posting a set to sell, the seller is the one offering something. Here's the chips, here's what I want.

Posting $5s if split, is an offer to buy just the $5s. That makes the buyer the one making an offer, and thus should also state the price.

 

[allforcharity]

Don’t know if the last line was meant to be combative, but we are looking to accomplish the same goal so no problem.

Nope, just emphasizing putting an onus on the potential buyer to complete their offer. 'Dibs if split' adds nothing to the information available save that there is interest, but nothing concrete to base that interest on. Save time by providing that info.

 

[chippitydoodah]

It depends on the ad. Some sellers say "dibs only if all chips are accounted for" and then the dibs start coming in. You can't have an auction in the middle of a for sale post. Or could you? . Highest dibs with a price takes the $5's? I gotta go see if I have anything to sell brb.

 

[upNdown]

"Dibs if split" should be banned!!!

 

[toothpic]

Most of the time when I post a set for sale, I'm not interested in splitting off individual racks. That doesn't mean I won't change my mind later on, but mostly I prefer to keep the set together into one transaction. On the times I would be willing to split, I'll list the split price up front but most of the time the set also comes with a discount which won't exist with indivdual rack sales.

 

[DirtyTIVA]

I haven’t been a major buyer for a while now but the “dibs if split” move always seemed like an everything to gain, nothing to lose move.

Once posted, have you ever seen an “also dibs $5s if split?” Dibs if split acts as a blocker to additional interest in the thread and in many cases the seller recognizes it (or is forced into it by the dibser) as the earliest dibs post. Oh the split price is too high? Not interested. Chips still available. Zero downside.

I’m sure this discussion will circle back around to “it’s up to the seller to decide what to do” as it has many times before, but that still doesn’t change the fact that this is a risk free thing to post early and often.

 

[ekricket]

Those who wish to split off a portion of a sale item should offer a $ value with their offer, so seller can determine if it is worthwhile for them to split.

Posting $5s if split, is an offer to buy just the $5s. That makes the buyer the one making an offer, and thus should also state the price.

Posting $5s if split, is an offer to buy just the $5s. That makes the buyer the one making an offer, and thus should also state the price.

So in wanted ads should the prospective buyer list their offer price? I’ve responded to wanted ads, and when I asked what their offer was for my chips it was as if I had asked them to sacrifice their firstborn. I was met with post after post - from outside parties - saying basically that I was trying to cheat them because I wanted to know their offer before I gave a sale price. In their fucking wanted ad.

So there is a contingent here that thinks you guys are cheating scum for even thinking that a buyer should offer a price to a seller, because it puts them at a disadvantage.

@BNads86 @upNdown @NotRealNameNoSir

 

[toothpic]

Also, how I sell is pretty close to how I buy and what I focus on in this hobby. My focus is building out sets I can put into play so a big part of me wants to pass that playable set on to the next person vs having to piece meal and build out a set. My sets are built it out to be big enough for most on PCF, too big for many as well so maybe a hurdle to selling the set when they don't need all the 25s ,100s, and sometimes 500s. I definitely get joy out of seeing the sets being put to play later on and posted into the home game or live stacks picture threads.

 

[jayfiggy]

"Dibs if split" should be banned!!!

$15 non-refundable dibs deposit?

 

[Tonysquander]

Seller should just say "split if all accounted for and the splitters figure out who is paying how much for what."

I agree with the prior post that if someone is selling a full set, they have listed the price for the set. It is the splitters who are trying to change up the deal so the burden should be on them to figure out how they are going to come up with the full price and also the shipping logistics. The whole "dibs DOP" is kind of nonsensical and essentially means nothing in my opinion because it is not an "offer", it is basically just an expression of interest.

 

[toothpic]

"Only splitting if someone buys the whole set and sells off racks they don't need."

 

[DirtyTIVA]

The whole "dibs DOP" is kind of nonsensical and essentially means nothing in my opinion because it is not an "offer", it is basically just an expression of interest.

Sure but less experienced sellers may not be aware of that or feel like their feet are held over a fire because the buyer is some respected (legitimate or otherwise) chipper.

If the split price ends up being good or typo good MINE MINE MINE I WAS HERE FIRST READ DIBS FUCK OFF PAYMENT SENT. If too high, “dibs retracted” “pass” “chips available.”

All upside. Zero downside.

 

[toothpic]

There's also the complexity of splitting but priority goes to whoever buys more. Then you have people scrambling to buy more individual racks just go get to the really desirable ones. In the end someone gets screwed out of a rack because someone else picked up a few more just to close the deal. That's another reason why I feel the buy the whole set thing stays and I'll just start a new thread later if I plan to split.

 

[chippitydoodah]

I recently had my for sale post hijacked. Got an email asking if I'd sell just the 1k & 5k chips. I said no so he posted in my ad he wanted the 1k & 5k does anyone interested in the rest. Same person pm's and offers $100 less than my price. I say no. Guy buys set at my asking price (already Rock bottom at $2/chip). Buyer then is selling chips he doesn't need the next day at $2.25ea lol. What can you do though? Nothing.

PCF = PROFIT COMES FIRST

 

[Rieguy]

I haven’t been a major buyer for a while now but the “dibs if split” move always seemed like an everything to gain, nothing to lose move.

Once posted, have you ever seen an “also dibs $5s if split?” Dibs if split acts as a blocker to additional interest in the thread and in many cases the seller recognizes it (or is forced into it by the dibser) as the earliest dibs post. Oh the split price is too high? Not interested. Chips still available. Zero downside.

I’m sure this discussion will circle back around to “it’s up to the seller to decide what to do” as it has many times before, but that still doesn’t change the fact that this is a risk free thing to post early and often.

All upside. Zero downside.

Not only is Karl absolutely correct and this a lived/successful experience for yours truly, but as an added bonus it also signals to others who may have what you're after in the sale that you're interested in the chips. There has definitely been an occasion or two after the sale is completed I have either reached out to a poster who missed the split or I was reached out to, where a successful transaction took place.

A simple "dibs x if split" regardless of the OP is one of the most inoffensive posts one could make.

 

[DirtyTIVA]

Not only is Karl absolutely correct and this a lived/successful experience for yours truly, but as an added bonus it also signals to others who may have what you're after in the sale that you're interested in the chips. There has definitely been an occasion or two after the sale is completed I have either reached out to a poster who missed the split or I was reached out to, where a successful transaction took place.

A simple "dibs x if split" regardless of the OP is one of the most inoffensive posts one could make.
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Completely agree it signals interest. Bottom line people will do things- here, anywhere else- and it’s up to the seller to decide how to handle it to their satisfaction. Some sellers complete the partial sale and put the remainder up for auction. Others bump 500 more times. Some go back in the vault. That’s life.

 

[allforcharity]

So in wanted ads should the prospective buyer list their offer price?

I don't think it's necessary, but it wouldn't hurt. Although it is fair that a prospective buyer define how much they would be willing to pay dependent on quantity, condition, etc.

For example, there is nothing wrong with someone posting a Wanted Ad that said:

"Looking for Jack Detroit $5. Willing to pay $500 for 1-2 racks in minty condition"

or similar

 

[buckeye09076]

2 things I don’t like about “dibs if split” …

If I am interested in a whole set or several racks if a few dibs hit that take some of the racks I am interested in I don’t want to be the guy that says dibs to all. Especially if seller has already started showing interest in splits or if people I know are interested in some of the racks. So it blocks me from getting chips I want and maybe prevents seller from getting rid of all that they were trying to sell.

I also don’t like the dibs, then later retraction. It implies that the split price is too high which can scare off other potential buyers. Especially when people take the extra step of saying “not interested “at that split pricing”. As @DirtyTIVA said, dibs if split is no risk, all upside to buyer but with downside to buyer.

 

[upNdown]

I don't think it's necessary, but it wouldn't hurt. Although it is fair that a prospective buyer define how much they would be willing to pay dependent on quantity, condition, etc.

For example, there is nothing wrong with someone posting a Wanted Ad that said:

"Looking for Jack Detroit $5. Willing to pay $500 for 1-2 racks in minty condition"

or similar

Part of my reluctance to post how much I’m willing to to pay is that I’d like to pay cost, but I’m willing to pay market. It might sound insane, but with rare exceptions, I’ve always sold on PCF at my cost. I’m hoping the favor will be returned someday. If I say I’m willing to pay X, that’s certain to be the price. If I say I’d like to pay cost, I’ll probably be ignored.