Cash Game cash set breakdown (2 Viewers)

Some changes made:

I got everyone to agree: the 1/4 chip will be purple. The white is livable and better than the default salmon but we decided to make the bounty chips white.

The bounty chips will be white (worth $3) QTY: 20

The bonus chips will be orange (worth $2) QTY: 20-40

a big thank you to @Poker Zombie for giving me a way to make everyone happy in this debate without having to use seven denominations.

Other than that, I am ready to print and should have the chips within a week or so.
 
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If I was ordering 300 (310) chips I would focus on the chips that would get into play. I would order

100 x 0.25
125 x 1.00 (135 if 310 chips)
75 x 5.00

Moving up to 500 chips I would round out to 200 each of the $1 & $5 chips


300 chips would have a bank of $650 and 500 chips would be $1225.

Depending how deep your game plays a $650 bank might be a little short on wild nights but it would probably get you through the interim.
 
Still not clear how this order is playing out... It's a custom order, but you're locked into certain colors and numbers? If it's custom, just skip the denoms/colors you won't need or use. I'd rather have more playable chips than bounties and such (for a cash game).

Just get
200 X $.25 (I very much liked the idea of a yellow frac)
200 X $1
80 X $5
20 X $25

Sounds like your game plays small, but if it played bigger, I'd put more weight on higher denoms.

This Allows for a barrel of each quarters and ones for each player to start. Then plenty of $5's and such for extras, rebuys, etc..though, I'd quickly add on more $5's as momey dictates.
 
Still not clear how this order is playing out... It's a custom order, but you're locked into certain colors and numbers?

Sorry, I have been a bit vague in regards to the status of this order: right now the order is custom. The design is set, it is just the colors that are open to change.

The only thing I am committed to is I ordered 310 chips with my first order, the second order will likely be another 230. Once I say "print", that is when I am committed.
 
Just print the colors and denoms you want.. Don't order chips and colors you don't need.

Frac x 120 (would prefer 200)
$1 x 160 (would prefer 200)
$5 x 200 (80 if you do 200 ^)
$25 x 20

The confusion seems to have arisen from your initial post, giving certain restriction with which your set will be. I incorrectly assumed you were either in possession of said chips in that less than optimal breakdown, or that it was a certainty already.

It's custom. Order what you want/need.

Is there a reason you will be making two orders? Seems a waste in shipping, and the cost difference between ordering 310 and 500 chips (at $.69/chip) seems like I'd just wait until I could swing the entire purchase up front, then order.

Here was your first breakdown:

70 x 1/4 (white, because I love blue dollars)
90 x 1 (blue)
80 x 5 (red)
50 x 25 (green)
20 x 100 (black)

or

120 x 1/4 (white)
140 x 1 (blue)
130 x 5 (red)
60 x 10 (orange)
50 x 25 (green)
20 x 50 (purple)
20 x 100 (black)


Also, have you considered that you're going custom, and that at your pricing, you probably could have custom artwork done on ceramics and still be close? There are some great examples of custom ceramics out there, and although I don't dislike the chips you're planning to order, having a truly custom chip is something to be proud of...

@Mr Tree's custom Paymaster set comes to mind. The set was masterfully executed, and is worthy of much praise. Not saying you'll achieve this level of success, but it's what's possible.

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Is there a reason you will be making two orders?

One reason only: because I right now cannot afford the full 500. It wouldn't be until I either get working or I get a tax refund circa March to May that I would have had that much money. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I moved 4 times in 2016, and have no idea where I would be by this time four months from now, I may be in Texas with my friend teaching her how to play (more on that in paragraph 3). I may not be able to do the second shipment at all, and did my design of 310 based on that.

I did consider full custom chips, some of them run 70c+ a chip. The WS chips samples I had, however, got almost universal acclaim from friends and cohorts including 3 people in their 20s at the poker night last time I went, plus it saved me trying to come up with a design, my attempts at which have been a disaster.

One of these friends, Brittany said that she would want to learn the game on those chips (she literally said to me that she would want to learn the game on these chips specifically), historically not gambling at all due to her mother having a gambling problem, and let's not overlook the biggest thing in the room. Of every style I have looked at (over 40 styles just since joining), with the exception of Le Paulson Noir, the Wicked Spades are my favorite design. I am first and foremost a heavy metal aficionado, and those chips would be a design I would enjoy immensely because of my penchant for heavy metal music. The one you showed me is nice, but not to the point where I would commit 350 buckazoids to make a set of them.
 
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Absolutely not meant as criticism or to judge. I get it, I'm a HUGE chip freak (we all are here), and I don't dislike your WC chips. If they suit you, go with that design you like.

However, I might consider holding off until you can afford it all. You allude to the fact of being out of work, and maybe there are other higher priorities at the moment, than buying new custom chips. Especially with the fact that we're not talking about a lot of money (chip-wise). If you can't afford the difference now, it might make more sense to wait it out and save the additional shipping (especially if money is a concern)? Only you know your financial situation, and I'm only going off what you've written.

My calculations:

310 chips = $214 + $15 shipping
500 chips = $345
Difference = $131 + $15 additional shipping

To me, 300 chips seems a lot less playable than 500 chips...

If you were my friend (and on your shoulder with a halo over my head), I'd just recommend you play with cheap inexpensive chips for a few months (hack, dare I say dice chips)... Until your situation settles down (or hopefully up) :)

If I were on your other shoulder with horns and a pitchfork, I'd say take your budget for that 310 chip set, go buy lottery scratch offs... :)

There are far too many people here willing to enable the sickness we all share. Buy moar! lol However, sometimes it's best to exercise restraint. Only you can make that call. In the end, the chips will be there, and we'll be there too, to help with all the degeneracy (whichever shoulder you listen to). ;)
 
I almost did. I had my eye set early on Eclipse chips, which run about $.16 / chip.

Then I saw a video where it was used and they looked lackluster.

At the time, I had a temporary job so I did the smart thing... got samples of mid-range, pro-quality and even some Paulsons, and asked questions. The deciding factor was during my poker night where these people were nearly in love with the WS. That was when I said I should get some before the next poker night, given the gushing reception to the Wicked Spades.

The sets I have gotten and will get in the future are by design. All of them scored 8/10 or higher by us all in look, feel and sound.You would be surprised to learn other pro chips, like the Tiki Kings, were not received well at all. I even got a criticism that Nevada Jack Skulls had the colors too close together, yet the same person LOVED the NJ Saloon.

By the way, I did take your advice. I asked for a mockup of a yellow frac. It looks NICE. I may get in some trouble with my family over it but that is the commitment now for 1/4 chips, after Mom agreed the yellow chips had about the same brightness as the white and more definition.

The next post I do will likely be pr0n of these chips.
 
Trihonda's point is worth considering, and jibes with my experience.

For the longest time, I hosted a $1 game with this set of Paulsons:

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Then I started hosting a 25c game, so I bought these:

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Sixteen cents a piece. Set of 650 cost me about $100.

I got 650 of them, and a 600-piece case:

200 quarters
200 dollars
200 fives
50 halves (I love orange chips.)

We play the halves as 50c in a $1 game, but we play them as half-quarters (12.5c) in my 25c game. They're unused in my 50c game (playing tonight!)

Notice that 650 chips don't fit in my 600 case. I intially pulled out 50 fives, so the rack was:

50 halves
200 quarters
200 dollars
150 fives

However, over a couple of games, we realized we were getting too damn many quarters on the table. Whoever was winning would accumulate stacks and stacks of them, but it didn't amount to much. Betting them off as full stacks for a $5 bet wasn't convenient, because that makes a mess in the pot without amounting to much. In the end, I cut the quarters down to 150, and put 50 fives in their place. Rack is now:

50 halves
150 quarters
200 dollars
200 fives

And I still try not to buy in all the quarters, unless it's a 10-player game.

Here's a photo from a recent game, which is fairly typical:

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Can you read the action, here? Dealer button is upper-right; SB is about to act. BB is sitting there with 25c in front. The plays were:

fold,call 25c, call 25c, call 25c, call 25c, raise to $2, fold, fold... SB next to act (will fold.)

Zoomed in, more:

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Some of those quarters will now fold, some will call the $2 (and take back their quarter.) This hand will not need any more quarters; the rest of it will be played with singles and fives. This is typical, but sometimes you'll see a raise to 50c or 75c, and the white won't take over until the flop.

And this is a 25c game, not a 50c game. A 50c game never sees a raise to less than $1.

I'm retiring this set, now - because my Boardwalks have arrived. Meanwhile, this < $100 set? My players liked it just fine... I have buyers lined up for it.

My point? If constrained to 500 chips, I would not use as many as 120 quarters, not after learning a bit. If unconstrained - as I was with my Boardwalks purchase (I got 1200 39mm chips plus oversize at $20 and up), that's another story... but for a set for 500 or 600? No need for that many quarters, and plenty of need for other chips.

My personal opinion, of course, but it comes from my experience.

Want some other opinions? This forums will provide... I suggest the (current) thread, Variety or playability? It's an interesting discussion on the merits of a big set versus smaller sets... and several people show their ideal breakdowns, and photos of some small sets (where small is 500, 600 pieces) - see how many quarters they're recommending for these stakes. Neither Trihonda nor I have weighed in there, so the opinions are strictly fresh.

Lastly... you can actually play poker just fine with any breakdown, really, and if you have no bank chips, cash plays! This is a standard rule in poker; cash is changed to chips for convenience, but if you ever run out of chips, a couple of hundos can sit on the table just fine at a micro game. No worries! Enjoy the game!
 
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Another separate discussion just started - http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/buy-ins-and-starting-stacks.17050/

This question comes up on the forums often! ... but you'll see similar advice from most people who play these stakes regularly.

(Assuming you're talking PL or NL. Limit players are a different breed, and they want a rack of 100 per player at the table, minimum. Literally.)
 
I almost did. I had my eye set early on Eclipse chips, which run about $.16 / chip.

Then I saw a video where it was used and they looked lackluster.

To be honest, when you see posts of all the shiny new Paulsons and CPC chips, a lot of chips will appear lackluster (even the ceramics you're looking to buy). But keep in mind, those Paulson and CPC sets are running $2-5 PER chip. And for me (in your shoes), I'd be concerned with getting something decently playable, and cheap. When you can afford better chips (and you will at some point), then go for it.

I'm at an entirely new level of degeneracy when it comes to chips. My projected chip purchases for next year are going to be 50x my chip budget of when I first started. Crazy!!!

When I started chipping a few years back, my first set were some Nexgen Wheatears (which I relabeled with custom artwork). I think my total cost per chip was around $.14/chip (maybe less). I was on a budget, and the chips were awesome. My group of players could care less. And to this day, my caste of players (some higher level poker aficionados) could care less about my chips. They say "sure, they're nice", but then I play with them at another home game (with much less expensive chips) and they say the same thing about those chips.

Chips are nice, but stay within your budget and means. The nice chips will come in time! I'd rather have 500-600 cheaper chips in playable quantities, than 300 mid-level quality chips (when 300 isn't going to get you a very playable set).

In short, don't pay 4x the price, for half of what you need, when you can pay 1/4 the price and get everything you need (with money left over).

Again, I look forward to seeing a post from you in a couple years with your first set of awesome custom CPC chips, or your getting in on a deal of Paulsons from the Chip Room at some point. Make sure you post lots of pics of your chips along your journey!

Here are some of my earlier custom Nexgens (yes, well before I was versed in the futility of a $10 chip).

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Big agree, here. An awful lot of our players don't care in the slightest.

Some people think any set with denominations on them is the shit.

But we care. That's why we're here. :)

about half of my group would be fine playing with toothpicks lol. When they here the loot I dropped on the PNY's they about lost their mind. I just explain to them that I bought it from my winnings, and then I give them a little "wink" lol.
 
about half of my group would be fine playing with toothpicks lol. When they here the loot I dropped on the PNY's they about lost their mind. I just explain to them that I bought it from my winnings, and then I give them a little "wink" lol.

I find that mentioning how much Paulsons have appreciated in recent years also garners respect... and then they suddenly "appreciate" how much nicer the chips are.
 
I find that mentioning how much Paulsons have appreciated in recent years also garners respect... and then they suddenly "appreciate" how much nicer the chips are.

Some guys do. Some guys just don't care enough about chips to ever spend that kind of money on them. We all have our thing. Chips is mine. So far I've been lucky and mostly bought chips that have retained a break even value (thank god).

Since I have acquired the PNY's my chip purchasing desires have been satiated. I don't have the desire to keep adding more cash sets. I really can't imagine them being substantially better than the PNY's. Now saying that, I did just buy a small tourney set from @MegaTon44 .......but hey, nobody is perfect lol.
 
I find that mentioning how much Paulsons have appreciated in recent years also garners respect... and then they suddenly "appreciate" how much nicer the chips are.

I'm afraid to mention how much mine are worth... One might walk off, lol...

In all seriousness, my players are all trustworthy. Aside from the random new person being introduced into the game, I know each player well enough to trust them to cash themselves out at the end of the night... (No, I don't really allow that, lol)... Just a theory that I'm not likely to test out anytime soon.
 
Now I want some orange chips

Me too. I may be getting a part-time job after the first of the year so I can go ahead and order the others if I get this.

Stay tuned. I will likely have orange bonus chips on this set.

Also, to Trihonda, I know not to say never, which I regretted when I went to graduate school after 9 years of saying I would never do it, so I will say it is highly unlikely that I will create my own set barring a major upswing in my life circumstances.

I am looking at likely 3 500-600 chip sets and done unless I manage to land a job that allows me to buy some of the best chips out there.
 
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my first set were some Nexgen Wheatears
Just for the record, wheatear mold chips are not Nexgens. :)

Nexgen chips were produced on three molds (four, if you count NexgenPro), none of which were the wheatear.
 
In most cases, too many cooks spoil the broth. In this case, I think too many cooks steered me towards my final and perfect set.

First off, my Mom agreed to give me half the difference to complete the set. I figured with a few sacrifices, I could make this work, so I am ready to roll. Also the prospect of getting a new job in January will make this a little easier on me to replace the other half (I can borrow ~$70 from someone)

CHIP TOTAL: 540 (one shipment, will not cost me an extra $16)

canaries (25c) = 100
bluebirds ($1) = 200
redbirds ($5) = 130
greens ($25) = 50
blacks ($100) = 20
barneys (bounty -- worth $3)* = 20
pumpkins (bonus -- worth $2)* = 20


* = since these are optional chips, depending on the game, we may or may not use them. Hence, 500 chips plus the optional bounty and bonus chips.

What happened to the white? It's going to get promoted to a dealer button.

Here's what I figure. The 100 and 200 seem to be a standard for a 500 chip set. 130 reds is more than enough $5 chips. With six people playing, that's 20 for each person and 10 left over, if we're playing that long, we can break in the greens and maybe even the big dogs, the black chips.

The bonus chips will be used as some sort of optional bonus to give to either a bad beat or the first full house (aces full) or higher. Basically any time someone rebuys, they throw $2 into the pot for the bonus until all the chips are in play and the hand is worth $40.


I hope everyone is happy because of all the advice given, and I figure this is probably as good as I'm going to get it, at this point. I honestly cannot think of a better way to make this a reality.

In about 2 weeks, I look forward to showing you all pr0n.
 
Good for you for putting some extra thought into it before you jumped into it.
I Wouldn't want to use bounties in a cash game, but maybe that's just me.
Enjoy your chips! Win money with them, then buy more chips!
 
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Honestly? It was a difficult choice to do this. The pumpkins are nice enough to include, and I love the color, but I am NOT going all the way up to a grand and I probably won't do a tournament set with this design. Aside from the canary quarters (which by the way look NICE), the colors follow the traditional colors of a cash set (I have seen several do a blue $1 chip including the Dunes china clay). I could have made them worth 50c but I fail to see a reason to include quarters and half-dollars when I could just double down on the quarters, and with only five denominations, it won't look too cluttered...

If I do a tourney set, it will probably be the Milanos as those are the only mid-range chip that was liked a lot by everyone around me.

The barneys are actually a gorgeous shade of magenta, Mom even said she wanted them for the fracs, before going with the canary quarters which honestly work good with the design.

My friend Brittany liked the bounty and bonus idea, plus the chips make it easier to track. State laws are a *little* dodgy about holding on to money over multiple nights and if no one hits the bonus, they can just cash in their pumpkins, piece of cake, like nothing happened, especially if the rebuys are open-ended, which happened at my sister-in-law's poker night the first time we did it. We had a guy just up and put another $40 into the till without a rebuy period. The second night was easier, because the players just left when they were broke.

Again, the extra chips will be optional but they sound like an interesting flavor to a game, giving someone a couple of extra dollars when they knock a player out or hit a good hand. But if it's that hated, we just keep them in a case. No problem.
 
Cash game right? My house the rebuy period starts when the first hand is dealt :). If there is less than 10 rebuys then it was a slow night

Good luck
 
Yeah, there's either an end time for the re-buy period, or there's a cash game.

At a cash game, the rebuys end immediately before the last hand of the night! (Which has been known to happen.)
 

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