Blinding out late player? (2 Viewers)

[BigSlickTux]

Was wondering what the general consensus was, in a tournament/league, on how long to blind out a late player before pulling his/her chips? Start of the second blind phase? Third?

 

[Craig D]

Me it is the end of the rebuy period or first break

 

[joker80]

First break

 

[manamongkids]

If rebuys are allowed, no blinding out. In a league with no rebuys, first break

 

[BigSlickTux]

That sums it up then. Thanks for the fast replies.

 

[detroitdad]

Prepay?

 

[BigSlickTux]

No pre pay. Just basically for if they don't show up at all and don't call to let me know. I will then pull the chips and give them 0 points. We would just have a few extra chips in play, but what do you do?

 

[detroitdad]

If it's a point league and they commit then no show we give them negative last place points.

 

[AK Chip]

If its a league and the player is committed to the league we go to the end of the second blind increase.

 

[BigSlickTux]

It is a league.

 

[AK Chip]

Our league the first two blinds are 30 minutes so the player has an hour to show up. We also round up when we color up so the extra chips never is really a factor.
The late issue is common with our league in the beginning and end of the season due to long construction hours during the summer.

 

[BigSlickTux]

Your league sounds almost identical to mine. I think I might do that as well. Thanks

 

[BGinGA]

If rebuys are allowed, no blinding out. In a league with no rebuys, first break

No way this makes any sense. Why should he be able to have an intact stack just because re-buys are in effect? If anything, that's even MORE reason to blind it out....

 

[SixSpeedFury]

No way this makes any sense. Why should he be able to have an intact stack just because re-buys are in effect? If anything, that's even MORE reason to blind it out....

This x 1,000,000. Irks me to no end. Exactly what one of my cohorts does when he hosts, no matter if it's re-buy or not. That's why I stopped going to his games.

 

[manamongkids]

No way this makes any sense. Why should he be able to have an intact stack just because re-buys are in effect? If anything, that's even MORE reason to blind it out....

mostly because in rebuys that I play in, attendance is slighlty unknown. the hosts usually says something like tournament starts at 1, buyins/rebuys available for first 2 hours, how can they blind someone out if they have no clue if they are going to show up, idgaf if someone wants to show up late and start with 25bbs instead of 200

 

[TexRex]

We don't have a league in the classic sense. One game don't blind unless players have paid in advance and there are no re-buys; another game does really blind, but removes a BB and SB at the beginning of every round for absent players who said they are coming. They play 2 games -- one freeze out and 1 re-buy.

One challenge is if you blind a guy who says he's coming, and another guy shows up who you didn't know was coming, do they get treated the same?

We follow the WSOP rule. Pay in advance, your stack is blinded. Show up, whether we expect you or not, and you get a full stack. The percentage of players who show up late and make it in the money is very low compared to other players.

 

[QuiQuog]

In a league I used to play in, chips of players who commit but don't show were blinded out for as long as it takes for them to go broke. Even when the host knew they had no intention of actually playing. They were even allowed to buy add-ons ahead of time. Sometimes nearly half the players were dead heads and were even known to finish in the money. It drove me nuts that we had to deal to them and babysit their stacks all night, or have a no show get more points than a live player because they hadn't been blinded out yet.

If it were up to me, I wouldn't give them more than an hour. And I certainly wouldn't give them any points for a no show.

 

[Trihonda]

mostly because in rebuys that I play in, attendance is slighlty unknown. the hosts usually says something like tournament starts at 1, buyins/rebuys available for first 2 hours, how can they blind someone out if they have no clue if they are going to show up, idgaf if someone wants to show up late and start with 25bbs instead of 200

Late registrants/entries should have their stacks reduced to correlate with the blinds. Easiest way to do this is stack in every seat at the table, blind/deal it in until someone arrives/draws the seat, or the first break.

There's a local game that does this, and it seems to work just fine.

We don't have a league in the classic sense. One game don't blind unless players have paid in advance and there are no re-buys; another game does really blind, but removes a BB and SB at the beginning of every round for absent players who said they are coming. They play 2 games -- one freeze out and 1 re-buy.

One challenge is if you blind a guy who says he's coming, and another guy shows up who you didn't know was coming, do they get treated the same?

We follow the WSOP rule. Pay in advance, your stack is blinded. Show up, whether we expect you or not, and you get a full stack. The percentage of players who show up late and make it in the money is very low compared to other players.

Seems like this penalizes those who pay in advance...? Why would you do that? Just curious.

 

[TexRex]

Trihonda, I used to think that same thing. I played in a game where they blinded players they were expecting who were late. I never committed to coming because of that. I couldn't see telling them I was going to be late and being blinded when I didn't have to say a word, show up, and get a full stack.

We don't normally take payment in advance. I do for our big game of the year because right now I have 32 signed up for 30 slots. I have some who said they are going to be late, but they want a guaranteed seat. So I said pay in advance and like the WSOP, we will blind the stack. Their alternative is that they don't have a guaranteed seat, and if the tournament is full before they get there, they don't get to play. We on a somewhat regular basis have players show up ready, willing, and able to pay and play, but normally I have extra seats so it's not an issue.

Honestly I've always hated blinding, but when I was confronted with this, pay in advance and blinding seemed like the most fair way to do it. I could promise a guy a seat and just let him pay when he gets there. But if I have to turn another player away, if he hasn't paid in advance, that unexpected player will get the seat. And what if the guy who says he's coming doesn't show for some reason. No-shows/no-notice for me is rare, but I've had some that were genuinely not a player's fault and some just rudely didn't show. I just don't count on them coming until their mug walks in my door.

 

[RainmanTrail]

I prefer the standard tourney approach. If you pay and take off, blind off their stack until they return. If they arrive late and want to play until registration closes, they get a full stack. I would never play a tournament that gave me a blinded off stack if I showed up an hour after it started. I often intentionally enter tournaments at the end of the registration period (those tables are usually either full of donks, or full of other pros looking for donks, haha).

 

[BGinGA]

There is no late registration period for our league games -- when the timer starts, the field size is set (you'd be surprised at how effective that is in getting people to be on time, or at least providing notice of late arrival). If you have notified ahead of time that you are coming, then a seat drawn at random gets your stack with a reserved button in front.

We used to deal cards to the empty seat and blind off the reserved stack as if the player auto-folded, per RRoP and TDA rules. We still do that if the seat is pre-paid (which will remain until it's gone, just like an online tournament) but if it's just a late-arrival commitment with no prepayment, we no longer deal to the seat or post blinds from the stack.

When the reserved button stack becomes due for posting the big blind, the dealer will pull both the big and small blind amounts and remove them from play, and the actual posted blinds and dealer button move past as if the stack was not there. This prevents the seat to the right of the empty chair from gaining an advantage as last to act for extra hands, while still making the empty-chair stack pay for it's share of the blinds. And if the player never shows, the stack is removed at first break and essentially did not affect the normal play of the event in any way.

 

[RainmanTrail]

There is no late registration period for our league games -- when the timer starts, the field size is set (you'd be surprised at how effective that is in getting people to be on time, or at least providing notice of late arrival). If you have notified ahead of time that you are coming, then a seat drawn at random gets your stack with a reserved button in front.

We used to deal cards to the empty seat and blind off the reserved stack as if the player auto-folded, per RRoP and TDA rules. We still do that if the seat is pre-paid (which will remain until it's gone, just like an online tournament) but if it's just a late-arrival commitment with no prepayment, we no longer deal to the seat or post blinds from the stack.

When the reserved button stack becomes due for posting the big blind, the dealer will pull both the big and small blind amounts and remove them from play, and the actual posted blinds and dealer button move past as if the stack was not there. This prevents the seat to the right of the empty chair from gaining an advantage as last to act for extra hands, while still making the empty-chair stack pay for it's share of the blinds. And if the player never shows, the stack is removed at first break and essentially did not affect the normal play of the event in any way.

I like this

 

[SixSpeedFury]

Good ideas to incorporate in your house game rules.

 

[QuiQuog]

There is no late registration period for our league games -- when the timer starts, the field size is set (you'd be surprised at how effective that is in getting people to be on time, or at least providing notice of late arrival). If you have notified ahead of time that you are coming, then a seat drawn at random gets your stack with a reserved button in front.

We used to deal cards to the empty seat and blind off the reserved stack as if the player auto-folded, per RRoP and TDA rules. We still do that if the seat is pre-paid (which will remain until it's gone, just like an online tournament) but if it's just a late-arrival commitment with no prepayment, we no longer deal to the seat or post blinds from the stack.

When the reserved button stack becomes due for posting the big blind, the dealer will pull both the big and small blind amounts and remove them from play, and the actual posted blinds and dealer button move past as if the stack was not there. This prevents the seat to the right of the empty chair from gaining an advantage as last to act for extra hands, while still making the empty-chair stack pay for it's share of the blinds. And if the player never shows, the stack is removed at first break and essentially did not affect the normal play of the event in any way.

This sounds like a very good way of handling the situation. But why treat prepaid players any different? Why not use this method for them as well and simply refund their money if they don't show?

 

[BGinGA]

A paid entry is a paid entry. No refunds.


And more seriously, in most cases, a pre-paid entry is a lot more likely to show than a simple verbal (or email) commitment. And when that player does arrive, his hand is live the moment he sits down (provided the dealer hasn't finished dealing the down cards and already mucked his hand before first action). Treating his live stack/hand in the other fashion could result in him being forced to miss several hands (since the button is skipping over unpaid stacks, which also don't get dealt cards).

 

[BigSlickTux]

Correct me if I'm wrong. If I just take his small and big blind and don't put them in the pot like you said. Do I still deal that person cards and muck them when it gets to their seat?

 

[BGinGA]

The blind amounts are removed from play as the button passes (not added to the pot, since the empty chair is dealt no cards). Only pre-paid stacks are dealt cards and post blinds like usual.

 

[BigSlickTux]

The blind amounts are removed from play as the button passes (not added to the pot, since the empty chair is dealt no cards). Only pre-paid stacks are dealt cards and post blinds like usual.

Thanks for clarification