Bad Beat or Horrible Play? (2 Viewers)

[AtTheTable]

Playing at a card room a regularly play at.

Table is 1/2NLH $100-$500 (After 1.5 hours of play you can match top stack)

So I don't know if I should have played this differently and maybe could have saved my stack or if I was going to be all in anyways.

So this is the hand.
I am sitting with a little more than $500 in my stack
I am sitting in the small blind there is a $15 straddle on the button.

I pick up As4c

I raise in my position to try and wind out some weak hands here to $30 (kind of a nitty play)
LJ calls and button limps in everyone else folds.

Flop comes out 2h3h5c

I lead out for $25 here to try and extract some value early and get someone maybe going for a flush to call and hopefully they miss on the turn where I will bet heavy to wind out their hand.
The LJ folds and it goes back to the button who raises me to $50

Some background on the button player he has been playing loose and aggressive all night
So I re-raise him to $100 he then re-raises me to all-in

Now I am trying to figure out what hands he has that he is going to play here. Maybe 3 of kind, high pocket pairs, flush draws with open ended straight draw.
Anyways of course I can't find the fold here so I make the call
The villain flips over 4s6h

Is this just a horrible beat or should I have played this differently?

 

[DirtyTIVA]

Simply put. I think even Phil Ivey goes broke here.

You could have played it differently but the outcome was likely to be the same unless you folded pf or if the pot was still not large and a heart came on the turn.

 

[Moxie Mike]

Is this just a horrible beat or should I have played this differently?

Fold preflop. The last thing you want to be doing is bloating the pot OOP with a garbage ace.

As played, it's just a cooler. Unless he would ONLY jam with the nuts here, maybe you find a fold. But I'm never folding there. There are too many sets and flush draws he could have.

So just say 'NH sir'. and reload or go home with a story for your internet friends

 

[CraigT78]

Poor play preflop. Should fold.

As played, textbook cooler.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Agree with above. This is an auto fold preflop. If you are going to open it needs to be much bigger also! A min bet gives the button an incredible price to call.

Once the flop comes your fate is sealed.

 

[CraigT78]

Agree with above. This is an auto fold preflop. If you are going to open it needs to be much bigger also! A min bet gives the button an incredible price to call.

Once the flop comes your fate is sealed.

Why is the Bum Hunter giving advice in the strategy threads??

 

[Rhodeman77]

Why is the Bum Hunter giving advice in the strategy threads??

Need to know who the bums are, right?

 

[CraigT78]

Need to know who the bums are, right?

 

[joeyshin]

I saw 46 even before I read down that far but still go broke here. It’s not a bad beat. It’s a cooler

 

[warma]

… ugh

 

[RedBullAndAmmo]

Playing at a card room a regularly play at.

Table is 1/2NLH $100-$500 (After 1.5 hours of play you can match top stack)

So I don't know if I should have played this differently and maybe could have saved my stack or if I was going to be all in anyways.

So this is the hand.
I am sitting with a little more than $500 in my stack
I am sitting in the small blind there is a $15 straddle on the button.

I pick up As4c

I raise in my position to try and wind out some weak hands here to $30 (kind of a nitty play)
LJ calls and button limps in everyone else folds.

Flop comes out 2h3h5c

I lead out for $25 here to try and extract some value early and get someone maybe going for a flush to call and hopefully they miss on the turn where I will bet heavy to wind out their hand.
The LJ folds and it goes back to the button who raises me to $50

Some background on the button player he has been playing loose and aggressive all night
So I re-raise him to $100 he then re-raises me to all-in

Now I am trying to figure out what hands he has that he is going to play here. Maybe 3 of kind, high pocket pairs, flush draws with open ended straight draw.
Anyways of course I can't find the fold here so I make the call
The villain flips over 4s6h

Is this just a horrible beat or should I have played this differently?

Calling $30 with 4/6 off is loose as ever to begin with. He had to have been hoping to either bluff his way to a won pot or hoping to connect very well on the flop.
Him calling was the one kink in the plan because that flop was one of the best case scenarios for your hand.
Def a cooler but if he wouldn't fold to $30 he might have had his mind set on calling anything preflop. 4/6 off should be an insta-fold for BB, especially in the face of a raise.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Calling $30 with 4/6 off is loose as ever to begin with. He had to have been hoping to either bluff his way to a won pot or hoping to connect very well on the flop.
Him calling was the one kink in the plan because that flop was one of the best case scenarios for your hand.
Def a cooler but if he wouldn't fold to $30 he might have had his mind set on calling anything preflop. 4/6 off should be an insta-fold for BB, especially in the face of a raise.

Villain is the button that has a $15 straddle out, not the BB. He closes the action and has position for a $15 call with a pot of $75 already.

 

[Eriks]

Generally you need to include more info in the OP to get good feedback in threads like these.

How many players are sitting at the table, what are the effective stacks, got any reads? Etc

Definitely fold pre. You’ve got nothing going for you here. Shitty hand, terrible position, straddle makes your stack shrink to 33 bbs. If you are gonna raise though, don’t minraise.

As played never fold.

 

[RedBullAndAmmo]

Villain is the button that has a $15 straddle out, not the BB. He closes the action and has position for a $15 call with a pot of $75 already.

Ah, you see, I missed that somehow.

 

[tabletalker7]

Calling $30 with 4/6 off is loose as ever to begin with.

You are right, and against players like that you pick your spots and exploit them. Playing a garbage unsuited ace out of position is the exact opposite of exploiting loose play. Fold pre, and remember this hand the next time you want to play a garbage unsuited ace out of position. It just isn't worth it.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

A4 off is not a hand you want to be bloating pre out of position, it's a clear fold. Once you decide to do that though, there's no getting away from your hand post flop.

 

[upNdown]

Both of you played horribly preflop. Horribly.
Postflop, we’ll all go broke there.

 

[Frogzilla]

Both of you played horribly preflop. Horribly.
Postflop, we’ll all go broke there.

You recommend squeeze the 46o IP? Certainly can’t fold a button straddle to a min open with something like 46. Position is really nice in hold em.

 

[grebe]

I am sitting with a little more than $500 in my stack
I am sitting in the small blind there is a $15 straddle on the button.

I pick up As4c

I raise in my position to try and wind out some weak hands here to $30 (kind of a nitty play)

So first off, how many limpers are there? I.e. how big is this pot? Your min raise here is atrocious no matter what, but how bad is it? Of course nobody is folding, so what are we even doing here?

With multiple opponents here from small blind and it's 14 to call, this is an easy fold. However, If you want to squeeze here, at least make it a decent squeeze.... And that depends on how much the pot is. 75 seems about right without full info.

That's your main mistake here, but in general your bet sizing in general is complete garbage.

 

[upNdown]

You recommend squeeze the 46o IP? Certainly can’t fold a button straddle to a min open with something like 46. Position is really nice in hold em.

Fair enough, I guess I wasn’t paying close enough attention because $30 didn’t feel like a minraise. I guess villain played fine.

 

[JustinInMN]

I probably also prefer to fold A4o preflop. The issue preflop is being first to act, there are a number of players that will often pick up a hand worth re-raising and A4o will almost never be good against that raise, meaning you are losing $30 instead of $1 far too often.

That said, in THIS case, hero did accomplish the one upside to the open-raise, isolating the straddle that's willing to call loose.

From there, this is just a cooler.

And meta game implications, now showing the table you are opening with A4o, players are probably going to 3-bet you more often when the have position on you.

 

[kmccormick100]

As stated previously, A4o from the ultimate OOP is an auto muck.

IF you're going to raise it, make it more like $50 over a $15 straddle, that cleans up the button 64o, and maybe isolates you with the LJ.

 

[springbox]

I'm not opening A4o from UTG, let alone SB with a BTN straddle. Flop might be a check given you're an early position raiser and a button straddle is going to be calling incredibly wide to a minraise, so the board hits them way harder in theory. Still, I think it makes more sense to go for value and charge hearts than try to play ranges. Don't love the raise to $100 from $50 because if he does have something like a set, flush draw, or 2 pair he'll be calling larger bets anyhow, and if he was pure bluffing he might fold to any raise, so I'd either raise larger or call. Once they're all-in, no way you can fold though.

 

[kazzlefrazzle]