Die? Like the millions that perished at the hands of the Third Reich?
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Lol. Saw this one coming a mile away.
I respect your position and my personal feelings are probably close. But all this “full stop” language feels a lot more emotional than logical to me. I have a hard time with absolutes.
I apologize for this analogy because analogies rarely work, especially those that involve nazis. But we’ve gotten to a strange polarized place here in America where conservative republicans and maga republicans use the American flag as a symbol of their beliefs. I disagree with those people politically, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to stop wearing my flag apparel, because I still love our flag. I won’t let them redefine the meaning of the flag to me. I understand that if people see me wearing the flag, they might make assumptions about me. I’m okay with that and I’m happy to talk with people about it if they want.
So I’m not going to tell somebody they can’t own or use swastika poker chips. If I feel strongly about it, maybe I’ll talk to them. And if they are a nazi, they can go to hell.
Yeah, I'm not going to empower nazis (former or current) by acknowledging that they 'own' anything, besides a place in history where their horrendous actions will be remembered forever.
But a symbol never killed anybody. Just imagine if Hitler had instead decided to use the Christian cross for his political propaganda campaign. Would we still consider it distasteful today and insist all versions be destroyed, regardless of context?
But a symbol never killed anybody. Just imagine if Hitler had instead decided to use the Christian cross for his political propaganda campaign. Would we still consider it distasteful today and insist all versions be destroyed, regardless of context?
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Huskerchipper
3 of a Kind
Was that really necessary??
You have an issue with dark humor or the facts. Let me know then we can have a discussion
I am Polish and even I know who Benedict Arnold was....
Sidenote... Before IIWW Adolf was very popular name in Poland, check who Adolf Dymsza was.
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Huskerchipper
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Your just being an ass now and I have NO idea why. The eBay listing had nothing to do with the facts you state...which everyone knows so im not sure what your point was. Let me know when u mature and can act like an adult. I thought ppl were mature enough to handle this topic. Apparently I was wrong
Was your original post "mature"?
"Wanna impress all your friends!? Buy these babies and invite all your friends and neighbors over for Poker night. Just looking at this listing felt awkward! Wow! LMAO!"
I have replied with both serious and joking replies based on other's comments as this thread progressed. The fact that you got butt hurt on one of my comments makes you the immature one.
"Wanna impress all your friends!? Buy these babies and invite all your friends and neighbors over for Poker night. Just looking at this listing felt awkward! Wow! LMAO!"
I have replied with both serious and joking replies based on other's comments as this thread progressed. The fact that you got butt hurt on one of my comments makes you the immature one.
Last post on this from me and I am going to ignore this thread. I am not trying to foment discord. This is a public forum that anyone in the world can view and I think there is value in stating some facts. I fear this thread does not reflect well on the PCF community.
https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/iron-cross
Irregardless, these poker chips are highly offensive to many people and are attractive to neo-nazis. Why else are these chips in a bidding war on eBay when many listings for comparable paranoid chips with different symbols languish.
Symbols can inspire people to do terrible things including kill.
He did. The iron cross is a documented and persistent hate symbol. It should not be perpetuated.
https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/iron-cross
The seller claims it is a Native American symbol. This is a well-known tactic of those trying to pass this hate symbol around with plausible deniability. The burden is on the seller to show that these were in fact created for or at the request of Native American buyers. All the seller provides as proof is that these were made in the 1930s. The nazi party was formed in 1920 and immediately adopted this symbol and a platform of hate. The American chapter of the nazi party was established shortly after. People absolutely knew this was a nazi symbol in the 1930s.
Irregardless, these poker chips are highly offensive to many people and are attractive to neo-nazis. Why else are these chips in a bidding war on eBay when many listings for comparable paranoid chips with different symbols languish.
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Huskerchipper
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Your comments served no relevant purpose other than to stir the pot. I was simply asking people to not argue. You apparently couldn't help yourself. This is the last thing this forum needs and i respect this site and its members enough that I will no longer respond to your dribble.
You started a post about poker chips with swastikas on them and expected what?
And it's drivel not dribble
And it's drivel not dribble
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Hold on. I, myself, am not knowledgeable whether this was/is a Native American symbol. But what I do know is that very many of these die-cut paranoid chips that were manufactured many years pre-WWII (likely in 1920's-30's) used all sorts of religious/spiritual symbols from all over the world: swastika, Maltese cross, Star of David, crescent and star, etc. To imply or state that these die-cut swastika chips were manufactured specifically to promote German Naziism is likely untrue.
As far as I've heard, proponents of this brand of far-right identity politics in the 1930's also considered poker and other gambling games as degenerate, so they would not have supported the production of gambling paraphernalia for home or institutional use.
Dingdingding
Two Pair
I can recommend a pretty decent source for more information on poker chips... the Poker Chip Forum.
Here is a post with photos of a manufacturer catalogue from 1908. At that time Hitler was still painting picture postcards.
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On the chips themselves, i wouldn't want to have them and even if i wanted, customs wouldn't allow the import of them. Which is pretty reasonable, given that i live in Germany.
The iron cross by the way is still a symbol of German military and has been since 1813.
I guess it is not so much about the symbol but about who is using it for what. I did never mind the iron cross as a symbol on a military vessel, but would probably change the side of the pavement if a skinhead with an iron cross tattooed on its forehead would come my way.
In the same way i wouldn't mind seeing the swastika chips in a vault with dozens of other paranoids, but would become suspicious if someone only had these and a few hotstamps with AH or KKK on them.
Here is a post with photos of a manufacturer catalogue from 1908. At that time Hitler was still painting picture postcards.
Click me
On the chips themselves, i wouldn't want to have them and even if i wanted, customs wouldn't allow the import of them. Which is pretty reasonable, given that i live in Germany.
The iron cross by the way is still a symbol of German military and has been since 1813.
I guess it is not so much about the symbol but about who is using it for what. I did never mind the iron cross as a symbol on a military vessel, but would probably change the side of the pavement if a skinhead with an iron cross tattooed on its forehead would come my way.
In the same way i wouldn't mind seeing the swastika chips in a vault with dozens of other paranoids, but would become suspicious if someone only had these and a few hotstamps with AH or KKK on them.
louBdub
Full House
Can we stop speaking german? Maybe that’s the problem.
A Nazi Hakenkreuz is the symbol of National Socialism, German Nationalsozialismus, totalitarian Socialist movement.
If you understand history, and read up on how that all started, it’s pretty scary and would cause many to look in the mirror and self evaluate a bit…. Because we have parallels here in America…. Scary.
A Nazi Hakenkreuz is the symbol of National Socialism, German Nationalsozialismus, totalitarian Socialist movement.
If you understand history, and read up on how that all started, it’s pretty scary and would cause many to look in the mirror and self evaluate a bit…. Because we have parallels here in America…. Scary.
louBdub
Full House
Uh oh…
NotRealNameNoSir
4 of a Kind
FINALLY, some good WW2 discussion! I figured we'd done Tina and NAGB to death, let's discuss trolley issues! Pull the lever?!
ekricket
Royal Flush
???? I don’t know, here’s a theory:
Hail the Lusitania, it’s not armed or escorted.
Give them x number of units of time to put civilians on lifeboats before you sink it.
Sink it when you said you would
Help the civilians as much as you can till other help arrives
Of course here is where you sink all the other ships that arrive to help too.
Humans, what you gonna do?
NotRealNameNoSir
4 of a Kind
Hmmm, I like the effort but I'm not sure you understand the idea of the trolley problem. No worries, we can work on this.
louBdub
Full House
These chips remind me of this US Navy building
ekricket
Royal Flush
Why am I responsible for this issue? Am I a trainman or something? If so I’d do much better planning before this situation happened. If I’m not in charge of this, why am I responsible?
I’d make it against the law to tie people to train tracks.
NotRealNameNoSir
4 of a Kind
Ah! The beauty of responsibility! That's what is at the HEART of these issues! What onus is there to save another?! You can walk away, not having pulled the lever.
I like to think deep down, we're all trainmen.
louBdub
Full House
Everyone, It’s National Socialism
Let’s speaks English for better understanding. Things get lost in translation….
Let’s speaks English for better understanding. Things get lost in translation….
Natskule
3 of a Kind
ekricket
Royal Flush
No there’s just not enough context. Who are the people? Who put them on the tracks and why? I mean maybe they deserve it or asked for it.
What happens next in any given scenario? Does the trainman go to jail? Can he be put to death for his actions in this scenario, or is he absolved of responsibility because it was part of an society approved experiment?
If this is a Choose Your Own Adventure kinda thing we need more info on how this scenario could even be possible.
If it’s a D&D level it’s just dumb.
louBdub
Full House
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