americas card room. is it rigged? (2 Viewers)

[CW23]

i heard about it and gave it a shot. I seemed to be playing the same group of people. Lower limit holder mostly. Out of $200 I never hit a draw. Not one! I have a game at my house regularly and play in Tunica MS when I can, and the probability over 2 weeks just seemed off compared to all of my live and previous online experience.

The other unusual thing is no one ever chatted. Heads up or multihanded.

I won't play there again, but I was curious if anyone else had the same issues.

Thanks

CW23

 

[btbmason]

The short answer is, "probably not."

The slightly longer answer is that your experience is based on an extremely small sample of hands. It's possible/probable to miss every draw or lose every hand you play in such a small sample, regardless of where it happens.

The result of the hand is of little consequence to the site you play on. They take the rake regardless of who wins the pot.

I'd be more worried about other players than I would be about the site.

 

[CW23]

It was unusual when I typed in "is this rigged" it looked like this.

Is this ****

 

[CW23]

You are probably right. Just a lot of small things seemed unusual.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

It's possible/probable to miss every draw in 90% of the hands you play
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FYP at least this is my experience here lately

 

[TheBigTater]

Haven't seen an online poker is rigged thread in a while.

While not impossible that online poker is rigged, more than likely it's not. That's just how playing with a RNG feels like a lot of the times. On the opposite end of the spectrum, it use to feel that when playing at PS that every draw would hit by the river and nothing would ever holdup.

Playing online is a totally different animal than playing live. Never cared for it too much myself but others will tell you different, YMMV.

And I always turned the chat off when I played anywhere online. Playing poker on the computer is about as impersonal as it gets so why bother chatting.

 

[dkersey]

I played Bovada for a few months and had a related but different experience.

I bought in and played my usual TAG poker and built up my account. They threw in some bonuses when I deposited the money too which helped. I played small stakes NL, mostly .25/.50 and 1/2. I didn't play every night, just a couple of times a week in the evening. I eventually tripled up. The play seemed normal. Sometimes I had the best hand, sometimes someone bested me. At this point, I'm thinking...this is a good deal, and I'm a descent player. After the bonuses expired, everything changed. It seemed no matter how good the hand I had, if the hand was for most or all of my stack, they would have the 1 card even if it was a 1 or 2 outer. I would be allowed to get a little ahead at a table, then when I had a great hand, there would be a big bet or I would make a big bet, and they would have the goods. This was consistent for weeks. I lost the entire bankroll. I put another deposit. This time no bonuses, and they had additional fees. Same thing started happening immediately. It was gone pretty quickly. the whole time I'm playing the same tight game I play at casinos and poker groups.

With that, I said no more, and closed the account. It sure seemed rigged to me. I know that sounds amateurish and conspiracist (is that a word?), but it sure seemed real to me. Yes, I know there is such a thing as poker variance, and running bad. They took a rake, so there was no need to rig it, but I still felt somebody somewhere had additional info or an inside track. You don't know if the players are people or bots. No matter...I'm done with online poker.

I think its been bought out and merged with someone, forgot who.

 

[jbutler]

Yep it's rigged.

 

[ekricket]

The short answer is, "probably not."

The slightly longer answer is that your experience is based on an extremely small sample of hands. It's possible/probable to miss every draw or lose every hand you play in such a small sample, regardless of where it happens.

The result of the hand is of little consequence to the site you play on. They take the rake regardless of who wins the pot.

I'd be more worried about other players than I would be about the site.

It doesn't matter who wins the pot, it's the size of the pot and consequently the rake that matters to the site.

So ask yourself "if one player has top two pair on the flop, and another has the nut flush draw (with his A3 suited) and another has the nut straight draw, and a fourth player flopped top set, who wins?"

The site of course, when all of the money goes in the middle and maximizes their rake.

So would you have software that generates such scenarios?

 

[btbmason]

So would you have software that generates such scenarios?

Have you never seen those scenarios happen in live games/casinos? Some casinos have automatic shufflers that track cards. Are you going to stop playing live poker if you lose a hand where that happens?

When you're playing online, you also see way more hands than you do playing live for the same timeframe. You're going to see more things happen when you see more hands being played out.

You have the right to play wherever you want based on whatever you're feeling. My feeling is that an online site would be beyond stupid to "rig" hands to generate more rake in player vs player scenarios.

They're raking that money at some point anyway, they don't need to do it that much faster. Even if they did, you'd be in a favorable situation the same amount of times that you'd be losing those hands, so you'll occasionally win that bigger pot that they stacked the deck for to raise that extra dollar. Would people be complaining if they hit that draw to win that pot?

 

[Poker Zombie]

The only way I could see it as "rigged" is if there aren't enough humans to get a table running. In this case, a house funded bot would but useful to the site. The question is, are the bots cheating? Does the deck change when a bot is in the hand? It's possible, especially when we are talking about an unlicensed site.

Las Vegas has a game called "No Rake Texas Holdem Heads Up Poker". It is designed to beat you, without a rake. It's a bot. It will not make mathematical mistakes. It can calculate your probable range. It is regulated by the Nevada Gaming Commission. It wins.

So if America's Card Room uses bots to fill a table, I see no reason the software couldn't be written to make the bots excellent players, without cheating. What's more, lots of players use Heads Up Displays, that meter an opponent's play. If you are playing the same, unvaried game, they will eventually crush you.