That's a shit ton of popcorn.
Current not-so-secret group buy? (3 Viewers)
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I totally agree with you, have found you very fair, and have been happy to work with you as a vendor. But why shouldn’t we expect more from everyday users?
Bill had great chips that never hit the market. I liked em, he was ready to move on, and he was friendly with the pricing as someone had done the same for him. Those chips have since been passed along to another user at the same rates. And amazingly, I’d bet that they continue to move at that rate. Sad that a small communities members have to play game theory to ensure that they’re staying ahead of the swindling.
Sounds like poker players. Just sayin’.
The context of saying this was people who I gave friendly pricing to flipped asap. Why would I line their pockets when I did all the work?
I have no problem giving friendly pricing to people like @ovo who doesnt sell and that is exactly what I did.
Forty4
Full House
I think you need to acquire sample sets of every chip set and there is no way that’s happening
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
I think things used to be different in this community. Or so I've been told at least. When there weren't many people collecting chips, the rumor is that everyone just traded everything at cost, and nobody felt fleeced. If true, that was before my time. But it was almost certainly only true because the market itself was stagnant as there weren't many collectors bank then and there was a new chip room offering seemingly every other month, not because everyone was generous.
It seems as though many of the people who were around back then have mistaken what used to be a stagnant market for the generosity of being part of a "community". And now that prices have skyrocketed in today's market, they want to place a Scarlett letter on anyone who doesn't pass along their assets at cost because that's what they used to do (in a previously stagnant market).
I often give people good deals on chips, particularly if they're chips that I got a good deal on myself like with the Outposts, or if they're sets that a beginning chipper would be after our if they're something that will be really appreciated and put in play by someone new to hosting that's just looking for a nice playable set, but I'm also not giving them away either.
However, if I'm letting go of a Holy Grail set like the Lakeshores, Nevada Lodge, or the Wynns, they're going to be auctioned off for whatever they're worth. If you want the best of the best, you can pay market prices. It'd be the same with cars. If I had an older car that runs well and a friend in need wants to buy it, I'm going to give them a good deal. But if I have a 57 Chevy in pristine condition with 314 original miles on it in my garage, and another collector wants to buy it, then they can pay market pricing for it. The friendly thing to do is to give them first dibs on the 57 Chevy, not to give it to them for half of what it's worth because you are both in the same car club. That just makes you a sucker. I'm friendly and I'm generous, but I'm not a sucker
Or so I claim at least.
Sorry, but this forum is 90% classifieds, 10% other content. It’s all about the Benjamin’s
I'd disagree about a "stagnant" market. Far from it. But it was just a very different market then now.I think things used to be different in this community. Or so I've been told at least. When there weren't many people collecting chips, the rumor is that everyone just traded everything at cost, and nobody felt fleeced. If true, that was before my time. But it was almost certainly only true because the market itself was stagnant as there weren't many collectors bank then and there was a new chip room offering seemingly every other month, not because everyone was generous.
It seems as though many of the people who were around back then have mistaken what used to be a stagnant market for the generosity of being part of a "community". And now that prices have skyrocketed in today's market, they want to place a Scarlett letter on anyone who doesn't pass along their assets at cost because that's what they used to do (in a previously stagnant market).
I often give people good deals on chips, particularly if they're chips that I got a good deal on myself like with the Outposts, or if they're sets that a beginning chipper would be after our if they're something that will be really appreciated and put in play by someone new to hosting that's just looking for a nice playable set, but I'm also not giving them away either.
However, if I'm letting go of a Holy Grail set like the Lakeshores, Nevada Lodge, or the Wynns, they're going to be auctioned off for whatever they're worth. If you want the best of the best, you can pay market prices. It'd be the same with cars. If I had an older car that runs well and a friend in need wants to buy it, I'm going to give them a good deal. But if I have a 57 Chevy in pristine condition with 314 original miles on it in my garage, and another collector wants to buy it, then they can pay market pricing for it. The friendly thing to do is to give them first dibs on the 57 Chevy, not to give it to them for half of what it's worth because you are both in the same car club. That just makes you a sucker. I'm friendly and I'm generous, but I'm not a sucker
Or so I claim at least.
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
I think if more people just accepted this reality, then the "community" part would work itself out much more nicely.
I disagree with a bunch in this thread but why even debate or talk about it. I do not think anyone is changing anyone else's mind or thoughts.
Let's get back to chipping.
"A lil less bitching and a lot more chipping!"
Keep on chipping!
Ooooh youuu... When your right your right.
I'm going back to beer. Everyone, be safe and buy more chips.
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That's the sad truth
Was wondering if I was the only one to ever think this on this forum.
So glad I am just a fan and not an addict. The FOMO reigns (and rains) heavy on this site for a lot of people.
I've profited from selling chips . . . obviously . . . but have tried to give back (giveaways, charity auctions). Not sure anybody but me cares but for some reason I do
Travis,
From reading one of your last posts, it’s obvious you’re one of the greatest guys around (self proclaimed). However, from reading many of your posts over the years, both here and your former site, there could be a lot of debate with how I’ve seen you treat people. I agree with @detroitdad on this one. I don’t think it comes as a surprise to anyone which side of the fence you are on.
From reading one of your last posts, it’s obvious you’re one of the greatest guys around (self proclaimed). However, from reading many of your posts over the years, both here and your former site, there could be a lot of debate with how I’ve seen you treat people. I agree with @detroitdad on this one. I don’t think it comes as a surprise to anyone which side of the fence you are on.
I can't believe this thread is being bumped again.
For what it's worth (the perspective of a new chipper that's been here not even half of a year), I think paying $6-8 apiece for little clay disks is absolutely ludicrous. I felt like I needed a shower after paying around $4 a chip for the barrel of Jack $5's that I really wanted a few weeks ago. I understand the resentment from those in position's similar to mine that can't (or don't want to) afford chips that sell at hundreds of or thousands of dollars per rack, especially when the chips cost the seller much, much less.
THAT BEING SAID....
It's a free, capitalist market. An object or service is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. It takes two parties for a sale of a bunch of chips priced at $8+ per chip to go through. A buyer and a seller. Want chip prices to do down? Don't pay the high prices. But as long as these group buy chips are in demand and people are willing to pay for them, they're always going to sell at these high prices we've been seeing.
Me? Everything I've sold here has been at (give or take a few dollars for shipping in some instances) or below what I paid in the name of being a good contributor to the community and to pass along the chips that I no longer need or have a use for to go to someone that will use and appreciate them. But I'm not going to poo-poo the person that makes a profit off of the group buy chips. I'm not sure I fully understand the risk that most that spearhead the group buys, but I imagine it's quite significant. There's always a chance that a gaming company's higher ups put the kibosh on a secret buy after finding out it was done behind their backs, and that the person spearheading the buy loses the whole deposit that the spearheader may or may not have put forth themselves with their own money. That's a lot of risk, and frankly, takes a lot of balls.
THAT BEING SAID (again, whoops)
I can also understand how feelings between group buyers and non-group buyers can get hurt if non-group buyers don't get the invites to participate when they happen. Would it be awesome if I'm ever invited to participate in a group buy? Fuck yeah. But I'll go on just fine if I don't. Even so, whether I would hypothetically choose to participate is another story. While I would say I'm doing ok (knock on wood), I'd be lying if it wouldn't give me pause to participate with the possibility of losing hundreds or even thousands of dollars if the whole project goes up in smoke for one reason or another. I don't have that financial margin of error, frankly.
I don't care how people feel about my take, but I felt like I needed to get it off of my chest after reading the last few pages.
Carry on.
For what it's worth (the perspective of a new chipper that's been here not even half of a year), I think paying $6-8 apiece for little clay disks is absolutely ludicrous. I felt like I needed a shower after paying around $4 a chip for the barrel of Jack $5's that I really wanted a few weeks ago. I understand the resentment from those in position's similar to mine that can't (or don't want to) afford chips that sell at hundreds of or thousands of dollars per rack, especially when the chips cost the seller much, much less.
THAT BEING SAID....
It's a free, capitalist market. An object or service is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. It takes two parties for a sale of a bunch of chips priced at $8+ per chip to go through. A buyer and a seller. Want chip prices to do down? Don't pay the high prices. But as long as these group buy chips are in demand and people are willing to pay for them, they're always going to sell at these high prices we've been seeing.
Me? Everything I've sold here has been at (give or take a few dollars for shipping in some instances) or below what I paid in the name of being a good contributor to the community and to pass along the chips that I no longer need or have a use for to go to someone that will use and appreciate them. But I'm not going to poo-poo the person that makes a profit off of the group buy chips. I'm not sure I fully understand the risk that most that spearhead the group buys, but I imagine it's quite significant. There's always a chance that a gaming company's higher ups put the kibosh on a secret buy after finding out it was done behind their backs, and that the person spearheading the buy loses the whole deposit that the spearheader may or may not have put forth themselves with their own money. That's a lot of risk, and frankly, takes a lot of balls.
THAT BEING SAID (again, whoops)
I can also understand how feelings between group buyers and non-group buyers can get hurt if non-group buyers don't get the invites to participate when they happen. Would it be awesome if I'm ever invited to participate in a group buy? Fuck yeah. But I'll go on just fine if I don't. Even so, whether I would hypothetically choose to participate is another story. While I would say I'm doing ok (knock on wood), I'd be lying if it wouldn't give me pause to participate with the possibility of losing hundreds or even thousands of dollars if the whole project goes up in smoke for one reason or another. I don't have that financial margin of error, frankly.
I don't care how people feel about my take, but I felt like I needed to get it off of my chest after reading the last few pages.
Carry on.
detroitdad
Royal Flush
A mod deleted a post of mine in this thread. However deleted, could you please explain why? i didn't tell anyone to fuck off. I simply spoke the truth about a shady PCF'er.
An explanation would be nice
An explanation would be nice
saleen121212
Full House
So when's the illuminati buy?
Geremie
Full House
Everyone talking about grail sets / group buys and I’m only after a dealer button and a deck of cards
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
Changster
Full House
Ahh ok... maybe I took it out of context... anyways.. moving on. I seriously have 0 problem toward people making money. We all find opportunities in different fields. The chip market is like every other asset (if you can call it an asset) that has gone crazy lately. Watches, cars, houses, food, etc etc.
If i thought the classifieds are bat shit crazy, i wouldn't visit it.
This site has other threads from strategy threads, to chip pROn, table builds, to meet-ups.
The classifieds are a VERY small part of this site. If they are making you unhappy, dont go to the classifieds.
keep it in context, we are all adults here, and we all have different views and sometimes opposing views can give us tunnel vision.
lets all take a deep breath, and as a wise man once said....... " Keep on chippin' "
This site has other threads from strategy threads, to chip pROn, table builds, to meet-ups.
The classifieds are a VERY small part of this site. If they are making you unhappy, dont go to the classifieds.
keep it in context, we are all adults here, and we all have different views and sometimes opposing views can give us tunnel vision.
lets all take a deep breath, and as a wise man once said....... " Keep on chippin' "
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In the end, this is an expensive hobby, and money is a huge factor. Though poker chips should not be consdered investments, they are assets that many of us have to liquidate to pay for other chips or, well...life.
In my mind, the question to ask yourself is "am I putting in more than I am taking out?" Every time you post a great deal, reship a package, engage in a non-selling (light-hearted or positive) thread, attend meetups, or generally go out of your way for other members, you are making yourself a part of the community. In turn, there will be times when you benefit from the generosity of others. That's what this is all about. We could be a part of millions of other forums, but we are on PCF. That means something.
I'll end with a quote from Good Will Hunting:
"You’ll have bad times, but it’ll always wake you up to the good stuff you weren’t paying attention to."
In my mind, the question to ask yourself is "am I putting in more than I am taking out?" Every time you post a great deal, reship a package, engage in a non-selling (light-hearted or positive) thread, attend meetups, or generally go out of your way for other members, you are making yourself a part of the community. In turn, there will be times when you benefit from the generosity of others. That's what this is all about. We could be a part of millions of other forums, but we are on PCF. That means something.
I'll end with a quote from Good Will Hunting:
"You’ll have bad times, but it’ll always wake you up to the good stuff you weren’t paying attention to."
I'd be perfectly happy if @Tommy just shut down the Classifieds (except paid Vendor forums), and it would probably change PCF significantly for the better..... and it'd certainly be less about the Benjamin's. Everybody knows that money is the root of all evil.
You have a brewpub?!?! How did I not know this?
Well put @MatB, this horse is soooo old.
Yes. With great pizza and 28 of our own beers on tap. Let me know if you are ever down here. Beer and pizza on me!
All ready happened. You became a part of it as soon as you signed up here.
In all seriousness though!
Happy Thanksgiving to all of PCF for tomorrow. Hope everyone enjoys their day!
Happy Thanksgiving to all of PCF for tomorrow. Hope everyone enjoys their day!
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