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Agreed on the warrant aspect (who and why).

Id be pissed as a cop or person at the game. To put officers (who knows what the grunts were told, I’m guessing they don’t want to be there either), friends, and family including children in a highly intense situation including drawn weapons...I don’t understand the value or need for that at a simple home game. Scary to think something like that could be permissible or remotely stand up in court.
 
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Man I am so so sorry this is so upsetting! Is there anything we can do to help out??
 
Perry, I’m so sorry to hear this. And for you skeptics thinking there must be a rake - I can say firsthand having played in Perry’s home that there is not one (at least not at the few games I attended).
 
Brianf1977 said:
why would they raid you specifically? Are you a known/former crime boss? Play with questionable players?
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Who called Perry Mason? Careful now or he’ll have you singing like a canary :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:

Just shows you the difference between our two countries. There’s a couple of high-ish ranking cops attend my game and I’ve never heard of the authorities here taking an interest in home games. Mind you gambling isn’t illegal here. See you should have forgotten all this independence nonsense and stayed as a colony :LOL: :laugh:

All joking aside I hope you and your family are ok and you get it sorted out soon.
 
It's a crap, disgusting, and sad situation. I own the PNY and Crystal Park set. Our mutual love for collecting poker chips is how we originally met (on CT) and desire to play in safe legal games is how we hit it off. I was just learning how to play back then and one of the lessons I learned was "get nicer chips" and found the community and eventually him because of geographic proximity. The whole spirit of our group was to legally play in private residences with other like-minded individuals. A lot of them became if not friendly acquaintances but grew to close friendships. We all here in some form or another live and understand that part of our community.

https://www.pilotonline.com/news/article_e243a8d9-c0c2-5243-b6ab-d4ede8ebdede.html

https://www.gloucestercounty-va.com/2013/07/capt-georges-owner-appears-in-court.html

This game, broke up in our area in 2011, held in a house listed as an office space, RAKED, had a $2,000 min buy-in, and had several pots well over 5 figures in PLO. Heroin, needles, over $150,000 in cash were seized. The whole trial centered around more if poker was a game of skill or chance than the actual illegal gambling activity.

Sadly this situation is receiving the same treatment except as far as I know, they DID NOT ticket the players in that PLO game with Class 3 Misdemeanors.

Also, they are back to running 'Charity Poker' games in Portsmouth bingo halls with enormous rake of cash games, tournaments, and tournament re-buys where no portions of the re-buys were added to the tourney prize fund all going to some sketchy charity. Police out front and are in the cashier cage. They do this again (before a previous Commonwealth attorney allowed and then stopped it) all because they now have a Commonwealth Attorney trying to attract the eventual Casino to Portsmouth instead of Norfolk. It all reeks of hypocrisy and nepotism.

https://www.facebook.com/VICTORYPOKERPORTSMOUTH/
 
What I am confused by is, how did they have the authority to withdraw your entire bank account? Did they ask for a routing and account numbers, or did they already have a judgement against your account?
 
Land of the free?

More like, land of the easily deceived. Internet poker is now largely illegal, thanks to political contributions. Poker in the home is variable from state to state, but in most places is questionable at best and based off of antiquated religious laws. Sure we have it better than some other places, but c'mon, police taking your fun at gunpoint? I must have missed that verse in the National Anthem.

Think long and hard about what you value in the next election (local, state, or national). We have been voting ourselves out of freedom in favor of the oligarchy, and Brains just took the hit.

Brains, I hope you fare well in all of this. Keep us posted of updates (even though it will be a long, slow process). In addition to a defence attorney, if you have the energy to fight back, contact the Poker Player's Alliance and/or the ACLU. Get some big guns into the fight.
 
Coyote said:
This sounds like a clear snitch.
The higher the stakes and the more public the game (ie the less well-known the players to the host) the more probable this shit may happen.
I live in a country where any visit by the cops is a blessing -normally welcomed with drinks- and the true risk comes from criminals possibly knowing that there's something like 1K on the table and/or in people's pockets:D
I hope your property is returned to you and you get somewhat compensated or just acquitted. Un-f*ckin-believable.:(
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I say this is exactly it.

Sounds like you had someone whop wasn't happy with you or the game and swatted you.

No search warrant? This sounds really fishy to me. Were they walking the neighborhood and see the game or maybe a neighbor? Police don't come in riot gear unless they think this is money laundering and there is a chance of gun play.

This feels like a very incomplete version of events. Unless there is a rake or some money laundering component, they have no legal ground to stand on unless you are violating some local statute about card games or loud noises/gatherings etc. Again, they don't send in assault troops for this kind of violation, this sounds like a put-up by someone.
 
Sorry to read this.

Hope that you will get your property back soon and get some repair for what happened to you.

Most important, I wish you, your loved ones and your friends attending your game that this story will be rapidly forgotten.
 
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Very crazy shit. I’m having a difficult time even believing the cops were really cops!
Almost sounds like a mock up raid by people pretending to be police.
I’ve been running home games in the state of Virginia for years and have never heard of a non raked game getting busted.
Several years ago there was another game near me that got raided in this way by PHONY
FBI agent’s. It was a big $ game, there was a rake and they let just about anyone with deep pockets sit. Bad situation all the way around IMO.
Virginia law states that if you are running a non raked poker game in a private residence, you are not violating any laws.
Something is clearly not adding up with this situation.
This sounds more like a set up to me and most likely someone who’s sat in your game is behind it.
I personally don’t recommend allowing unvetted players or non regulars into a game.
Sorry to hear about your situation. Completely unheard of to me unless something is not on the up and up.
Definitely take the advice from previous posts and get an attorney.
Best wishes to you.
 
Lil Tuna said:
Very crazy shit. I’m having a difficult time even believing the cops were really cops!
Almost sounds like a mock up raid by people pretending to be police.
I’ve been running home games in the state of Virginia for years and have never heard of a non raked game getting busted.
Several years ago there was another game near me that got raided in this way by PHONY
FBI agent’s. It was a big $ game, there was a rake and they let just about anyone with deep pockets sit. Bad situation all the way around IMO.
Virginia law states that if you are running a non raked poker game in a private residence, you are not violating any laws.
Something is clearly not adding up with this situation.
This sounds more like a set up to me and most likely someone who’s sat in your game is behind it.
I personally don’t recommend allowing unvetted players or non regulars into a game.
Sorry to hear about your situation. Completely unheard of to me unless something is not on the up and up.
Definitely take the advice from previous posts and get an attorney.
Best wishes to you.
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You don't think its possible someone inside set this up to steal the chips? And got greedy in the process?
 
FordPickup92 said:
You don't think its possible someone inside set this up to steal the chips? And got greedy in the process?
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This sounds like it was set up to get ANYTHING of value. No search warrant? Just totally barging in? Unheard of to me unless there’s something more to the story.
All I can say is, the so called police are lucky they didn’t get shot. It’s very unwise to just go barging into someone’s home, no knock, no warrants.
Can honestly say this would be an unwise tactic in most, if not all of the home games in which I play in.
 
Polochris said:
Totally fake cops. It has to be. No search warrant!? Get the hell out of here.

That or the OP isn't telling us the entire story.
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Except he was charged, and players were ticketed. I don't think a group of armed criminal thugs can do that. Unless they're cops, of course.
 
Beakertwang said:
Except he was charged, and players were ticketed. I don't think a group of armed criminal thugs can do that. Unless they're cops, of course.
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I personally know of someone charged with this in the last year. “Running an illegal gaming operation.” It was legitimately illegal.
What was described above is not at all how the situation I personally know of went down.
Will leave it at that and I hope our member here recovers what was TAKEN from him.
 
Beakertwang said:
Except he was charged, and players were ticketed. I don't think a group of armed criminal thugs can do that. Unless they're cops, of course.
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You would be surprised what a Confidence Man can do.... but again like I said, it could be the OP not telling us the entire story. The only way for them to enter their residence without a warrant from a judge, is with plain view probable cause, or a CI.
 
Regardless of what went down, I wasn’t there.
But in my knowledge of previous raids and busts, I’ve never quite heard of one like this.
Best wishes to all involved.
 
I also noticed that you and @brains613 joined PCF on exactly the same day same year.
You guys must be pretty tight.
It’s a total shame that this happened to @brains613. I certainly hope he gets it all worked out.
 
Lil Tuna said:
This sounds like it was set up to get ANYTHING of value. No search warrant? Just totally barging in? Unheard of to me unless there’s something more to the story.
All I can say is, the so called police are lucky they didn’t get shot. It’s very unwise to just go barging into someone’s home, no knock, no warrants.
Can honestly say this would be an unwise tactic in most, if not all of the home games in which I play in.
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Also doesn’t make sense to get a like on this post and then be told of a warrant in another.
What’s up with that? :tdown:
 

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