I have some pre USPC KEM. Colors were richer too. But font Chang was positive.Maybe they can get KEMs to stop bowing again. Thanks for nothing USPC!
This is a myth. I had several pre USPC Kems that bowed way worse than any post USPC Kems. I even posted pics in this forum. Store Kems upside down with a cut card and dealer button on top and they will stay flat forever. The only change in stock I noticed happened around 2011 when the Kem card stock got a rougher feel.Maybe they can get KEMs to stop bowing again. Thanks for nothing USPC!
Thats just bogus. I know that KEM tend to kinda crack on the surface if exposed do heat or extreme sunlight (looks like crushed ice surface) . That is why you should note keep KEMs in car on summer. But bending is different...and happends during ordinery use. Old KEMs used to bend to but sort of indside then outside.I just contacted KEM (USPC Co) about 2 setups of bowed cards.
They wrote back and said if they had been exposed to heat, etc. that that would be 'mistreatment.' I told them they had not, (truth) and they requested I send them the Ace of Spades and a couple other cards from each deck and they would examine them. I did. Maybe I'll get SOMETHING out of it. Right now I have 4 warped decks of cards......Will keep you informed.....
^^^thatIn my experience humidity is what warps most Kem cards...or any cellulose acetate card for that matter.
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About 15 years ago, one of my poker buddies had a significant amount of rainwater get into his basement poker room after a biblical rain event. He had about 10 setups of Kems in the room and every deck became so bowed they were unplayable. All went into the trash. The was my awakening that humidity can have on Kems.
Good to hear. Now they need to start sending them here to the US. Used to be able to get them under $20 US off Amazon but now they are imports. I like Fournier cards but they are not worth $30-40. IMO they are nothing special from a feel perspective but are very durable. I payed about $16 I think for my non prestige set a few years ago. That’s what they are worth to me.In the page of Fournier already includes the name of the new owner
https://www.linkedin.com/company/fournier/
but does not have all the capital, the heirs of Fournier still have interests in the Factory and control several businesses related to casinos and licenses of slot machines in Spain and South America.
Yeah but I belive that as long they have separate production plants that will not affect quality and specific features of cards. Plus on WSOP it's KEM product regardless Bicycle design. So now only major independent brands are MODIANO, DA VINCI AND GEMACO that make plastic cards outside Cartamundi Group.
It wa written brands, not producers. But you right.I think Da Vinci is part of Modiano.
Are you certain of that? It seems like making chips with a customer's mold would avoid all their concerns...
So now only major independent brands are MODIANO, DA VINCI AND GEMACO that make plastic cards outside Cartamundi Group.
Did not know about GEMACO. ThanksI'd take Gemaco off that list. GPI bought Gemaco some time back.
Italian rip off assholes?Yep, just three majors now -- Angel, Cartamundi, and the Italian rip-off assholes who shall remain nameless. Plus Royal lololol
Modiano produced defective cards for Desjgn and refused to correct it.Italian rip off assholes?
I just contacted KEM (USPC Co) about 2 setups of bowed cards.
They wrote back and said if they had been exposed to heat, etc. that that would be 'mistreatment.' I told them they had not, (truth) and they requested I send them the Ace of Spades and a couple other cards from each deck and they would examine them. I did. Maybe I'll get SOMETHING out of it. Right now I have 4 warped decks of cards......Will keep you informed.....
So you are trying to get a replacement deck for something manufactured over 15 years ago? Whether or not they were the same company I think this is a stretch. They are a set playing cards not a wrench from Snap On. They are somewhat of a disposable item ... though they usually last quite a while.And here is my follow up.....
Got all the cards I sent back to USPC back in the mail with a letter that said....
These cards were made by KEM and not USPC, so we can't help.
Well, DUHHHHH! I TOLD you they were made by KEM in the EMAIL I sent BEFORE you told me to send them in.
So I emailed them and said....."Yeah, They're KEMS. and who owns KEM?"
And I received:
Dear Paul,
Thank you for reaching back out to us!
The United States Playing Card company does not guarantee any products not made by USPC, and this includes anything produced by the legacy KEM company. While there was a grace period, it ended several years ago as the KEM company was acquired in 2004. We sincerely, apologize that we were not able to provide you with what you were looking for!
Thank you for being a loyal consumer of The United States Playing Card Company.
Sincerely,
The United States Playing Card Company
Attn: Consumer Affairs
300 Gap Way, Erlanger, KY 41018
www.usplayingcard.com
www.bicyclecards.com
So.......... F the USPC company.
I now won't buy bicycles anymore.
Unfortunately, my friends with dry hands/fingers are NOT fans of plastic cards..... so I guess it is back to used casino cards?