I think I'm out, guys (Casino Cancun drama advice requested) (2 Viewers)

[davin]

he seems fairly MIA right now.

What else you want me to say Tanner?

I layed out the facts

The photos clearly show they are the missing chips

I explained numerous times no one has been compensated by the USPS nor Customs nor insurance

 

[luv2breformed]

This really isn't true. If someone pays a claim on stolen property, they generally own it if recovered.

If the loss was accepted, either through payment or a refund, or through accepting the risk of an uninsured shipment, that ends the ownership claim.

I think if Luv is satisfied that Davin was renumerated he is free to do as he pleases and I don't think the community should disparage him for that position.

Do I not then owe the seller who remunerated him IF it turns out the goods are stolen? This is why I am trying so hard to contact the seller.

 

[luv2breformed]

What else you want me to say Tanner?

I layed out the facts

The photos clearly show they are the missing chips

I explained numerous times no one has been compensated by the USPS nor Customs nor insurance

I don't want you to say anything to ME, we as a community have been trying to sort through all of this and many members have asked you several pointed questions that you haven't answered.

 

[JustinInMN]

Do I not then owe the seller who remunerated him IF it turns out the goods are stolen? This is why I am trying so hard to contact the seller.

I would say so. I think it's good you are making a effort in this regard.

 

[davin]

I don't want you to say anything to ME, we as a community have been trying to sort through all of this and many members have asked you several pointed questions that you haven't answered.

You called me out for being MIA what more
You want answered?

 

[luv2breformed]

We can start with these?

There is only one person who can definitively clear up several issues, and that is the original overseas seller who sold and shipped multiple Cancun Casino chip packages to Davin:

• The current status of the investigation regarding the missing box conducted by the Israeli postal, US Customs, and USPS authorities
• If the investigation is closed, what (if any) compensation was made to the seller
• What (if any) compensation has the seller made to Davin for the missing package

Until that information becomes available -- and directly from the source, not second-hand -- any action taken now is simply premature. This is why I advised Davin to supply Tanner with the original seller's contact info, so that those questions could be answered.

Additionally, attempting to obtain additional information regarding the source and/or means that Tanner's ebay seller obtained the chips he sold to Tanner could prove useful. I believe Tanner has already asked those questions of the ebay seller and is waiting for answers.

Regardless how this turns out....

Davin's only recourse for getting compensation for his missing chips is from the original overseas seller. The various authorities conducting the investigation cannot -- and will not -- help him. It is also not Tanner's responsibility to compensate him in any way.

It is the original overseas seller's responsibility to accurately fill out shipping and customs forms, and to ask that an investigation be conducted when a shipped package goes missing or becomes 'stuck' in one location (as it appears has happened here). The conclusion and results of that investigation are critical in determining the proper actions of the authorities and the original overseas seller/shipper.

Until the investigation has been completed and results known, most of what's happening here is conjecture as to the official status of the missing shipment, along with the status of the chips purchased by Tanner on ebay. This is why I advised Tanner to contact both his ebay seller for sourcing details, and to provide the original overseas seller/shipper with any information that could be helpful in any ongoing investigation that he initiated with the postal authorities.

 

[DMack]

Do I not then owe the seller who remunerated him IF it turns out the goods are stolen? This is why I am trying so hard to contact the seller.

I think it’s very admirable of you to do this, but I would advise to proceed with caution down that road. If I read correctly, Davin stated the seller was a friend of his. (Who knows what’s the truth because Davin has made a few statements that have been misleading, at best.). What would prevent the seller from lying and telling you nobody was ever compensated? Luv, I think the chips are yours. You have already done way more than enough to rectify the problem. Enjoy them, and don’t let it bother you anymore.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

Don't want to continue to beat the dead horse here, but I think your statement above is ironic considering the following:

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PS: Ultimately, establishing the validity of the eBay seller's acquisition of the chips, if it's possible, would determine the correct outcome here.
If no foul play, major find by Tanner.

I think you missed the point of the section you highlighted. IF we go by YOUR earlier statement of "assuming the chips were stolen", then @navels (as well as anyone else) should assume any great deal they find is stolen and/or has some problem attached to it. I don't really care what navels said in post #13 or #19, Which has nothing to do with my statement that you highlight BTW, because I had pretty much the same opinion at that point too.......I do not now and am not alone in that either (poll is 5:1 with me)

 

[davin]

Current status of investigation, it clearly is still in process and more info will be added to it.
Investigation is not closed.
We had a agreement that if the chips did show up I’d need to pay him for it when recieved

Anything else ?

 

[luv2breformed]

Current status of investigation, it clearly is still in process and more info will be added to it.
Investigation is not closed.
We had a agreement that if the chips did show up I’d need to pay him for it when recieved

Anything else ?

You've already been remunerated by the seller?

 

[CraigT78]

I explained numerous times no one has been compensated by the USPS nor Customs nor insurance

We had a agreement that if the chips did show up I’d need to pay him for it when recieved

So you haven't in fact actually paid for the missing chips? If you did, and he refunded you, this isn't your fight. Sure are hiding a lot of facts here.

 

[DMack]

What I am now gathering is that the only thing Davin is out is his potential profit from flipping these chips.

 

[davin]

You've already been remunerated by the seller?

I was compensated with chips, I’ve built a relationship with him and I’m helping him get back his losses it’s simple as that!

So you haven't in fact actually paid for the missing chips? If you did, and he refunded you, this isn't your fight. Sure are hiding a lot of facts here.

Haven’t hid anything, he barely speaks English and I’m representing for him

What I am now gathering is that the only Davin is out is his potential profit from flipping these chips.

Out 200-$1 chips some of the most important chips to the set

 

[davin]

Anything else people

You guys need my social? My bank account number ? My wife’s info?

 

[RowdyRawhide]

Current status of investigation, it clearly is still in process and more info will be added to it.
Investigation is not closed.
We had a agreement that if the chips did show up I’d need to pay him for it when received

Anything else ?

Then it looks like this thread is done until the investigation is wrapped up. until then we don't know if the chips are stolen or were sold at gov't auction then every thing else is pissing in the wind.

 

[sem0030]

Okay that settles it. Enjoy the 50.00 find! Glad we worked this out lol

 

[CraigT78]

What I am now gathering is that the only Davin is out is his potential profit from flipping these chips.

I think we've flushed ^^this out.

 

[SixSpeedFury]

I need you to merge your 401k to mine and we'd be all set!

 

[davin]

Then it looks like this thread is done until the investigation is wrapped up. until then we don't know if the chips are stolen or were sold at gov't auction then every thing else is pissing in the wind.

Impossible to be sold , box was clearly written wit all my info on all 4 sides of the box, also customs tag clearly stated all the contents in the box!!!! A search for the packages was made on both ends receiver and sender with exact contents, color of each content , amount of each content full disxription , there’s no way that gets passed up

 

[chubbyone]

@davin

Still curious what you hope the outcome to be off all of this?

 

[davin]

@davin

Still curious what you hope the outcome to be off all of this?

I’ll let authorities determine that at this point, I’ve obviously loss the war here

 

[moose]

What else you want me to say Tanner?

I layed out the facts

The photos clearly show they are the missing chips

I explained numerous times no one has been compensated by the USPS nor Customs nor insurance

As for my own satisfaction to this question I am confident and am resting easy on this point. Whether or not there is enough evidence for others to feel the same is a different matter. Unfortunately I spoke to him over the phone regarding this fact and so I have nothing in writing.

I wouldn't trust a single thing Davin says. His posts are full of lies, deceptions and half-truths. This is such a scummy thread it makes me sick.

Davin has already admitted to two lies ITT, about marking the boxes with black sharpie and how many $1 chips were in the box. He has been exposed for extorting $100 from another member, in exchange for information . Now he makes a statement about compensation but conveniently leaves out "compensation from the seller".

You want to do the upstanding thing? Do it for an upstanding member. Not this guy.

 

[chubbyone]

I’ll let authorities determine that at this point, I’ve obviously loss the war here

I think your best bet would have been not to make such a big deal about it really. You lost your identity as a regular chipper when you started the whole venture and began flipping them. As a seller of chips, you aren’t going to have the same level of sympathy as Joe Schmo collector. Sucks maybe, but that’s the case anyways. As seller, you also assume more risk, and have a reputation to uphold that’s going to garner more scrutiny in situations such as this. While I agree all of this may be no fault of yours, it’s still a hat you put on when you started the whole deal. When you started reacting negatively and defensively and admitted to lying, you did in fact lose any chance of “winning.” In fact, the viewpoint of “this is war” is likely where you went wrong in the first place.

 

[Thomacetti]

I’ll let authorities determine that at this point, I’ve obviously loss the war here

And your are surprised by this ?
You wanted to inform the forum...that happend and more truth came out then you wished for.
And now you want to make a friend/seller whole (that already received 20K of your funds) by going legal eagle after you committed fraud and underinsured your shipment...

Yeah...we must have been horrible to you when you were still a newbie ?
Shady shit...and you will be called out for it

Only thing left to keep some dignity is congrats Tanner with his score (like many like to do when 'premium' members scores) and leave it at that.

 

[Lash]

I voted that the chips belong to Davin and should be returned to him, because they really do appear to be part of the shipment that he's missing. The thinking being that as a member of the community, looking out for each other is in everyone's best interest. In that world, Davin would pay you the price you paid for his missing chips that you found and everyone is happy.

But if he's already been compensated by insurance, then it get's a bit more complicated. But they would still be his chips. Maybe there's no legal reason to return them, I don't know, but being a good guy has benefits of it's own. In that case, he could pay you a good price for them, maybe half of the insurance claim, and you both win.

They do appear to be the chips that were supposed to be sent to him. So in the end, you should recognize this and work something out that maintains your integrity, and instill confidence in the membership here. If you want to make the claim that there's no "proof" that these are the same chips, then maybe this isn't the place for you and you're making the right decision to leave.

Until davin proves that he paid for them i dont see how anyone can say he’s entitled to them

 

[johnjohn]

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[Thomacetti]

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[johnjohn]

^^ this.

Terrible coder.

 

[Thomacetti]

^^ this.

Terrible coder.

But an awsome chipper...so your good

Ps. COBOL lol

 

[davin]

@luv2breformed do as you please with the chips