luv2breformed
Two Pair
Please only use the poll if you have read thoroughly and understand the situation.
Hi, all. This is going to be really long, so I apologize in advance.
New chipper who only found this community a few months ago. I've met some REALLY cool people and it has been awesome. Unfortunately all of that changed 3 days ago and I wish I never was a member here.
I've been stalking eBay for months trying to find some great deals on poker chips. I've picked up some solids, and some nice new CPC's, but nothing else more. Sunday Nov 11, 2018 I log into eBay before heading to church and can't believe my eyes. 900 Casino Cancun chips for $50 shipped. The seller clearly has no clue what they are selling. I click "Buy It Now" as fast as I can, my heart is racing. The site shows that I win them. I am giddy the rest of the day. The seller prints the shipping label in the evening and I can't wait. I update that tracking number probably 20 times daily until they arrive.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/casino-cancun-poker-chips-/302954124301?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&nma=true&si=eWOFaaUiYf%2BZB6fPJlvaFP07CIU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc
In the meantime, I realize that they will fit perfectly into a birdcage if I pick up a rack of fracs. I am so excited and want to tell the forums, but it feels too good to be true, so I hold my tongue. Instead I post a cryptic ad asking for some RHC advertising solids, without specifying what they are for. I don't want to claim that I have scored such an amazing deal until they are in my hands.
Thursday 11/15/18 comes around and I am like a kid on Christmas morning. I race home from work. I'm worried that even if this deal is real, the seller will have packaged these horribly. They obviously didn't have a clue. I get home and open them up, and they are pristine. They immediately become the pride of my collection. I couldn't be more excited about a set that I have received, and I have been in the process of building an AS cash set!
I immediately do two things. I contact the seller on eBay and let them know I am VERY interested in any more chips they might have. Additionally, I update my Wanted ad for RHC frac relabel options with a picture of the haul and a little more information. I don't want to give too much info away, because I know somebody might find the seller on eBay and get to them before I do. If they have any more chips, I want first crack at them!
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...r-purple-rhc-for-casino-cancun-relabel.34989/
i was so excited to share this haul with the community. I couldn't wait to let everyone know what a good deal I got. I'd seen user navels and others post some of their hauls before and everyone rejoiced for the chips and the chipper. I thought everyone would be excited that I found such a good deal, I just wanted to give the seller a little more time before I announced everything, just in case. Boy was I wrong.
I received a PM from davin the next morning that went as follows:
At this point I'm freaking out. I don't want to reveal the seller prematurely, and I am pretty sure the seller didn't steal these since they sold them to me for $50. I reach out to Tommy for advice, because I am really unsure what to do.
<Tommy's responses removed at his request>
After this interaction, I go back to my conversation with davin and respond. Turns out, he is not very happy about this.
Finally davin calls me. We have a GREAT conversation. I tell him all of the reasons that I was hesitating to contact him at first. He seems very understanding. He tells me that I got a great score and doesn't want to take away from that. He just wants to get to the bottom of his situation. I provide all of the help that I know how to. I tell him the name of the seller, take pictures of all of the boxes and contents from the boxes and we end on a very good note. I feel at peace about the whole situation and send Tommy the following message:
I went about me evening fairly confident about the entire situation. I even told my wife and brother-in-law that davin was a really cool dude, and I'd probably buy him a beer if we met.
Then that evening I received the following messages and my heart sank. I wrote back davin the next morning (today):
You see, on the phone davin made it sound like he didn't want my chips, but he simply wanted help resolving the usps claims issue. I was happy to help. But when I read his two other posts last night it was clear he wanted my chips. I wasn't making stuff up either, I tossed and turned all night, my mind was reeling with all of this information.
davin's argument is based entirely around these two photos. I sent him a picture of the boxes the chips came in and he sent me back another picture. I'll let you read the rest of our interaction yourself:
So that's where we're at, guys. And to be honest, I'm sick to my stomach about the whole thing. I was supposed to enjoy the afternoon taking Christmas photos with the wife and finishing my sermon for tomorrow. I haven't been able to focus enough to do either. I'm not a guy that gets stressed easily. I am generally easy-going and laid back. I have been so anxious these last 3 days that it is overwhelming and I just want it to be over. I told my wife before I sat down to write this post that this should have been one of the most awesome scores ever. This should have been such an exhilarating weekend. Instead, this has been so stressful and anxiety-inducing that it has completely affected my daily activities.
So, I think I'm done. Last few thoughts regarding this situation:
1. I have taken many chances on eBay purchases and worked hard to try and ensure I got some awesome deals. This was no different. The idea that I could post a photo of a deal I got to the internet, only to have to rescind that deal to strangers seems ABSURD to me.
2. The "evidence" that these are precisely davin's chips seems scanty at best. Green sharpie? Please, it is just as likely that EVERY box of Casino Cancun's was marked this way. What if I posted some of the missing 100's and 500's to the classifieds? If those boxes were marked with green sharpie does that automatically mean they are davin's as well? He told me on the phone that he didn't get all of the chips from the Cancun, AND many were missing. It is just as likely that these came from another buyer of those chips in my opinion.
3. The entire air of "take my word for it" is dubious at best. When I first contacted Tommy, he told me that this is the first he's heard of a "missing box." davin however, claims that it is common knowledge. Throughout this entire process I'm simply supposed to trust davin that these are his chips and give them up.
4. Not that this holds much weight, but is this any way to treat a NEW chipper? This forum has consistently been helpful to me as a new chipper and I loved it. There is so much "pay it forward" mentality. Here, a new chipper stumbles upon a great deal. That set is more valuable than the rest of his ENTIRE chip collection. An experienced chipper who deals in chips regularly on the order of 5 FIGURES expects the new chipper to just hand them over. Let's assume for a moment that these were indeed davin's chips (an assumption that I don't think is at ALL self-evident). 900 chips is a drop in the bucket for him, while it represents well over half of the value of all my chip collections combined. Let's kick the little guy while he's down.
5. If this had been me "liberating" someone's chips for them, I would have been just as ecstatic to do so! So many people have helped me out on here, I'd love the opportunity to do it for someone else. However, the way all of this went down in addition to the lack of decent evidence has left nothing but a sour taste in my mouth.
6. davin claims that his friend is out $1000 and therefore I am obligated to pay him back. Umm, isn't that what insurance is for? If you didn't get insurance on your initial package, why am I responsible to pick up the tab, and if you did get insurance, why the fuss? You got paid for the package going missing already.
I'm not going to "take the chips and run." I have wanted to do the right thing this entire process. Please respond to the poll based on how you think this situation should be resolved.
Hi, all. This is going to be really long, so I apologize in advance.
New chipper who only found this community a few months ago. I've met some REALLY cool people and it has been awesome. Unfortunately all of that changed 3 days ago and I wish I never was a member here.
I've been stalking eBay for months trying to find some great deals on poker chips. I've picked up some solids, and some nice new CPC's, but nothing else more. Sunday Nov 11, 2018 I log into eBay before heading to church and can't believe my eyes. 900 Casino Cancun chips for $50 shipped. The seller clearly has no clue what they are selling. I click "Buy It Now" as fast as I can, my heart is racing. The site shows that I win them. I am giddy the rest of the day. The seller prints the shipping label in the evening and I can't wait. I update that tracking number probably 20 times daily until they arrive.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/casino-cancun-poker-chips-/302954124301?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&nma=true&si=eWOFaaUiYf%2BZB6fPJlvaFP07CIU%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc
In the meantime, I realize that they will fit perfectly into a birdcage if I pick up a rack of fracs. I am so excited and want to tell the forums, but it feels too good to be true, so I hold my tongue. Instead I post a cryptic ad asking for some RHC advertising solids, without specifying what they are for. I don't want to claim that I have scored such an amazing deal until they are in my hands.
Thursday 11/15/18 comes around and I am like a kid on Christmas morning. I race home from work. I'm worried that even if this deal is real, the seller will have packaged these horribly. They obviously didn't have a clue. I get home and open them up, and they are pristine. They immediately become the pride of my collection. I couldn't be more excited about a set that I have received, and I have been in the process of building an AS cash set!
I immediately do two things. I contact the seller on eBay and let them know I am VERY interested in any more chips they might have. Additionally, I update my Wanted ad for RHC frac relabel options with a picture of the haul and a little more information. I don't want to give too much info away, because I know somebody might find the seller on eBay and get to them before I do. If they have any more chips, I want first crack at them!
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...r-purple-rhc-for-casino-cancun-relabel.34989/
i was so excited to share this haul with the community. I couldn't wait to let everyone know what a good deal I got. I'd seen user navels and others post some of their hauls before and everyone rejoiced for the chips and the chipper. I thought everyone would be excited that I found such a good deal, I just wanted to give the seller a little more time before I announced everything, just in case. Boy was I wrong.
I received a PM from davin the next morning that went as follows:
At this point I'm freaking out. I don't want to reveal the seller prematurely, and I am pretty sure the seller didn't steal these since they sold them to me for $50. I reach out to Tommy for advice, because I am really unsure what to do.
<Tommy's responses removed at his request>
After this interaction, I go back to my conversation with davin and respond. Turns out, he is not very happy about this.
Finally davin calls me. We have a GREAT conversation. I tell him all of the reasons that I was hesitating to contact him at first. He seems very understanding. He tells me that I got a great score and doesn't want to take away from that. He just wants to get to the bottom of his situation. I provide all of the help that I know how to. I tell him the name of the seller, take pictures of all of the boxes and contents from the boxes and we end on a very good note. I feel at peace about the whole situation and send Tommy the following message:
I went about me evening fairly confident about the entire situation. I even told my wife and brother-in-law that davin was a really cool dude, and I'd probably buy him a beer if we met.
Then that evening I received the following messages and my heart sank. I wrote back davin the next morning (today):
You see, on the phone davin made it sound like he didn't want my chips, but he simply wanted help resolving the usps claims issue. I was happy to help. But when I read his two other posts last night it was clear he wanted my chips. I wasn't making stuff up either, I tossed and turned all night, my mind was reeling with all of this information.
davin's argument is based entirely around these two photos. I sent him a picture of the boxes the chips came in and he sent me back another picture. I'll let you read the rest of our interaction yourself:
So that's where we're at, guys. And to be honest, I'm sick to my stomach about the whole thing. I was supposed to enjoy the afternoon taking Christmas photos with the wife and finishing my sermon for tomorrow. I haven't been able to focus enough to do either. I'm not a guy that gets stressed easily. I am generally easy-going and laid back. I have been so anxious these last 3 days that it is overwhelming and I just want it to be over. I told my wife before I sat down to write this post that this should have been one of the most awesome scores ever. This should have been such an exhilarating weekend. Instead, this has been so stressful and anxiety-inducing that it has completely affected my daily activities.
So, I think I'm done. Last few thoughts regarding this situation:
1. I have taken many chances on eBay purchases and worked hard to try and ensure I got some awesome deals. This was no different. The idea that I could post a photo of a deal I got to the internet, only to have to rescind that deal to strangers seems ABSURD to me.
2. The "evidence" that these are precisely davin's chips seems scanty at best. Green sharpie? Please, it is just as likely that EVERY box of Casino Cancun's was marked this way. What if I posted some of the missing 100's and 500's to the classifieds? If those boxes were marked with green sharpie does that automatically mean they are davin's as well? He told me on the phone that he didn't get all of the chips from the Cancun, AND many were missing. It is just as likely that these came from another buyer of those chips in my opinion.
3. The entire air of "take my word for it" is dubious at best. When I first contacted Tommy, he told me that this is the first he's heard of a "missing box." davin however, claims that it is common knowledge. Throughout this entire process I'm simply supposed to trust davin that these are his chips and give them up.
4. Not that this holds much weight, but is this any way to treat a NEW chipper? This forum has consistently been helpful to me as a new chipper and I loved it. There is so much "pay it forward" mentality. Here, a new chipper stumbles upon a great deal. That set is more valuable than the rest of his ENTIRE chip collection. An experienced chipper who deals in chips regularly on the order of 5 FIGURES expects the new chipper to just hand them over. Let's assume for a moment that these were indeed davin's chips (an assumption that I don't think is at ALL self-evident). 900 chips is a drop in the bucket for him, while it represents well over half of the value of all my chip collections combined. Let's kick the little guy while he's down.
5. If this had been me "liberating" someone's chips for them, I would have been just as ecstatic to do so! So many people have helped me out on here, I'd love the opportunity to do it for someone else. However, the way all of this went down in addition to the lack of decent evidence has left nothing but a sour taste in my mouth.
6. davin claims that his friend is out $1000 and therefore I am obligated to pay him back. Umm, isn't that what insurance is for? If you didn't get insurance on your initial package, why am I responsible to pick up the tab, and if you did get insurance, why the fuss? You got paid for the package going missing already.
I'm not going to "take the chips and run." I have wanted to do the right thing this entire process. Please respond to the poll based on how you think this situation should be resolved.
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