Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (73 Viewers)

[Rieguy]

Relabled chips via Gear are one of the few instances where pictures posted on PCF do them little justice. With the up-close shots you can more noticably sometimes see gaps and the cross-hatching 'issues', but I've found in person they're hardly noticeable or much of a problem at all. Yes, unmolested chips/inlays are almost always going to look better in 99% of situations, but they are a great alternative in the right set/lineup. That last part matters more than anything really. Shit chip selection with shit inlays make the decision to murder certain chips that much more egregious.

 

[BarrieJ3]

do you even chip? i wish i couldnt tell the difference.

#notachipper

I dont even know that ive handled too many of the custom version in play? I’ve played with cpcs, but rarely relabels and such so idk.

plus I don’t really care to inspect my stacks (and question if anyone actually does). I’ve never once been at a game where anyone, chippers included, care or say anything about chips beyond the 5 minute preamble of cjing (maybe the passing comments of “these shuffle so well” or such).

 

[BarrieJ3]

Shit chip selection with shit inlays make the decision to murder certain chips that much more egregious.

This is how I feel about every single rat rod set and all the people bogarting hotstamps to shove them together in gross amalgams.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Interesting thought. I have seen the gear cross hatching stuff, and thought the texture was cool. I’ve felt similar on casino chips/paulsons.

I didn’t and still don’t know the difference, could likely easily tell the difference in person, but I did assume there was not one type regarding Paulsons. I figured they’d have various label types available at any time and changes throughout the many years. Hence my surprise that Gears would “stick out” so much.

The interesting thought part is that if Paulson labels had Gears hatching and Gear Paulson’s, which would be preferred?

Meaning, is Paulsons label surface preferred because it’s better looking/feeling, or just because it’s “Paulson’s”?

I’d hope/think it’s the second, because Gear has the (I’d imagine) ability to be nimble and ensure his, if not exactly replicating, would at least outperform Paulson’s.

 

[upNdown]

Interesting thought. I have seen the gear cross hatching stuff, and thought the texture was cool. I’ve felt similar on casino chips/paulsons.

I didn’t and still don’t know the difference, could likely easily tell the difference in person, but I did assume there was not one type regarding Paulsons. I figured they’d have various label types available at any time and changes throughout the many years. Hence my surprise that Gears would “stick out” so much.

The interesting thought part is that if Paulson labels had Gears hatching and Gear Paulson’s, which would be preferred?

Meaning, is Paulsons label surface preferred because it’s better looking/feeling, or just because it’s “Paulson’s”?
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I’d hope/think it’s the second, because Gear has the (I’d imagine) ability to be nimble and ensure his, if not exactly replicating, would at least outperform Paulson’s.

I dunno. But let's not forget that we're talking about two different things. The texture on a paulson inlay is the result of smooth inlay materials being pressed into clay by a cup/mold that is textured. And so you end up with one textured surface that goes seamlessly from clay to inlay to clay. Of course contemporary paulsons aren't produced like that for security/technology reasons - the mold (and thus the resulting chip) is textured on most of the clay parts, but smooth on the inlay part.)
When you replace an inlay with a textured label, the texture of the label will never match the texture of the surrounding clay. So whether one texture is better than the other isn't necessarily the point; you'll never have a seemless surface nor matching textures on you label and your clay.

 

[BarrieJ3]

I dunno. But let's not forget that we're talking about two different things. The texture on a paulson inlay is the result of smooth inlay materials being pressed into clay by a cup/mold that is textured. And so you end up with one textured surface that goes seamlessly from clay to inlay to clay. Of course contemporary paulsons aren't produced like that for security/technology reasons - the mold (and thus the resulting chip) is textured on most of the clay parts, but smooth on the inlay part.)
When you replace an inlay with a textured label, the texture of the label will never match the texture of the surrounding clay. So whether one texture is better than the other isn't necessarily the point; you'll never have a seemless surface nor matching textures on you label and your clay.

Well aren’t you just making all the sense today.

That pretty much fully answers all the questions.

 

[doublebooyah85]

I’m not a fan of trying to match textured inlays as well. Did it in one set and wouldn’t do it again.

 

[upNdown]

, but I did assume there was not one type regarding Paulsons

This is correct. Here is a suits mold, a THC and an RHC - you can see how the textures are different. And I'm pretty sure there are differences between scv an lcv too. But for the leaded, inlaid house molds and THC's that I've used, the textures all seem similar and easily distinguished from a textured label.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Even if you cannot tell the difference without close inspection, a milled/relabeled chip should be worth less than it's unaltered counterpart.

Car collectors are serious hobbyists. Two 1969 Mustangs may look identical to the average Joe. But the true collector knows to check the numbers to verify that the Engine, the transmission, the axle and the frame are all original. Even though the two "play" the same, the numbers matching vehicle is worth 1.5-2x more.

People spending the same amount on a milled chip aren't "chippers". They're just people with too many dollars and not enough sense.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Even if you cannot tell the difference without close inspection, a milled/relabeled chip should be worth less than it's unaltered counterpart.

Car collectors are serious hobbyists. Two 1969 Mustangs may look identical to the average Joe. But the true collector knows to check the numbers to verify that the Engine, the transmission, the axle and the frame are all original. Even though the two "play" the same, the numbers matching vehicle is worth 1.5-2x more.

People spending the same amount on a milled chip aren't "chippers". They're just people with too many dollars and not enough sense.

Unless it’s a NAGB or fantasy chip. Those are specifically purchased often for custom sets. If you can save the buyer the time and hassle of murdering…they certainly can command a price of no discount. Just look at the open market…happens all the time. Your product may sit longer, but they certainly can sell for the same retail transaction as with a label.

Of course if ur talking vintage casino chips like your comparison to a 1969 mustang, I can’t imagine anyone arguing with you guys that a milled Tropicana chip is worth the same as a Tropicana chip with inlay.

 

[Highli99]

IMO the only chips that make economic sense to milk are harvested chips from open casinos. For instance, I harvested a couple racks of Paris 1 hotstamps and milled them into HSI fracs. That probably increased their value since I harvested them myself. But destroying irreplaceable chips is kinda silly, especially because most projects get abandoned immediately after the murdering.

 

[caballo993]

IMO the only chips that make economic sense to milk are harvested chips from open casinos.

Meanwhile Tina chips:

Seriously though I got a couple of racks sitting on death row. Waiting for the final pieces until I start to slicing. Too many times has a new shiny chip caught my eye and changed up my lineup.

 

[BPTDirector]

There’s a slight difference between inlay removal and milling, with removal being preferred by me anyway. However, Hotstamps will always be preferred, I. e. faro Dunes and Rancho Agaves, leave them alone, they are excellent as created, when you mill those I have no reason to believe you care about chipping.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Meanwhile Tina chips:

Seriously though I got a couple of racks sitting on death row. Waiting for the final pieces until I start to slicing. Too many times has a new shiny chip caught my eye and changed up my lineup.

...and if that's what you need to make it run, then by all means, go for it. A set with milled chips is > a set with missing chips.

But you shouldn't expect to get unmilled prices when you sell.

Unless it’s a NAGB or fantasy chip. Those are specifically purchased often for custom sets. If you can save the buyer the time and hassle of murdering…they certainly can command a price of no discount. Just look at the open market…happens all the time. Your product may sit longer, but they certainly can sell for the same retail transaction as with a label.

Of course if ur talking vintage casino chips like your comparison to a 1969 mustang, I can’t imagine anyone arguing with you guys that a milled Tropicana chip is worth the same as a Tropicana chip with inlay.

Much like the car comparison, some have a greater premium because of rarity and meaningfulness.

Popping labels off a China Clay probably wont affect the value. A NAGB, should see some difference, but not a lot. Selling a milled Dunes, you will never get your money back.

 

[GamingWithChips]

There’s a slight difference between inlay removal and milling, with removal being preferred by me anyway. However, Hotstamps will always be preferred, I. e. faro Dunes and Rancho Agaves, leave them alone, they are excellent as created, when you mill those I have no reason to believe you care about chipping.

Exactly.

I can understand milling random, closed casino's or the millionth versions of Tiger extras, but destroying a well intentioned, carefully designed set feels wrong. People can and do what they want of course, I just personally wouldn't.

 

[BarrieJ3]

Car collectors are serious hobbyists.

That was kinda my point. That’s more of a “real” collectors hobby.

There’s def real collector chippers, but that seems pretty rare on PCF.

I. e. faro Dunes and Rancho Agaves, leave them alone, they are excellent as created, when you mill those I have no reason to believe you care about chipping.

There’s just too many memes and too many gifs to choose from. I don’t know that any of them will do justice here.

 

[upNdown]

There’s a slight difference between inlay removal and milling, with removal being preferred by me anyway. However, Hotstamps will always be preferred, I. e. faro Dunes and Rancho Agaves, leave them alone, they are excellent as created, when you mill those I have no reason to believe you care about chipping.

I don’t know why more people don’t just overlabel. I bought these Excaliburs from @MaxB - I’d played with them in his game as over-labeled quarters and they were great. But it wasn’t until I got them home and starting ripping off the labels that I realized how great they were. When you work with an artist like gear, this is what you get - practically indistinguishable from factory chips and they look a lot better than milled chips.

 

[Rieguy]

I. e. faro Dunes and Rancho Agaves, leave them alone, they are excellent as created, when you mill those I have no reason to believe you care about chipping.

 

[doublebooyah85]

I don’t know why more people don’t just overlabel. I bought these Excaliburs from @MaxB - I’d played with them in his game as over-labeled quarters and they were great. But it wasn’t until I got them home and starting ripping off the labels that I realized how great they were. When you work with an artist like gear, this is what you get - practically indistinguishable from factory chips and they look a lot better than milled chips.

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Meh. Overlabel just as obvious as non matching textured label to reference our other discussion imho. But I will say I was impressed with overlabels, not as bad as I thought they would be at all.

 

[upNdown]

Meh. Overlabel just as obvious as non matching textured label to our other discussion imho. But I will say I was impressed with overlabels, not as bad as I thought they would be at all.

As opposed to a factory tiger (or any other Paulson produced in the last 20 years?)

 

[upNdown]

“ too many outs “

Now that’s some bullshit. Can we stop saying stupid crap just because everybody says it?

 

[BPTDirector]

My apologies to Lucky’s, they are excellent Hotstamps too!! By the way i.e. means such as, or example, not exclusively.

 

[BarrieJ3]

My apologies to Lucky’s, they are excellent Hotstamps too!! By the way i.e. means such as, or example, not exclusively.

Man I don’t want to be a pedantic dick, I’m just mentioning it in passing so you’re aware, it’s actually the opposite.

Ie is used to explicitly state or clarify exactly what you mean.

What you’re describing is eg, which is where you would list examples.

Easy way to member is ie - in exactly and eg - example given.

Edit - I hate myself.

 

[BPTDirector]

Ok. I was wrong. At least I’ll admit it unlike some others. I learn.

 

[BarrieJ3]

I don’t think it matters in life one iota. Was more so for others that read it and may use incorrectly.

Could see it being an issue really only in work emails and for sops or technical writers. (I only know the difference because I was corrected in a work email ) And even though I’m pretty sure that’s right, I’m still only like 95% sure because you see them both used both ways all the time.

 

[doublebooyah85]

As opposed to a factory tiger (or any other Paulson produced in the last 20 years?)

I don’t follow. I’m saying overlabels annoy me like trying to match textured labels.

Matching shiny glossy flat labels come out great.

 

[BarrieJ3]

dupe

 

[BarrieJ3]

Shit I’d even raffle CPC sets despite not like CPCs at all.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Shit I’d even raffle CPC sets despite not like CPCs at all.

Still waiting for you to start a signal / what’s app raffle group. I promise a ws0p set at the lowest price we’ve seen.

 

[BarrieJ3]