Controversial Chip & Poker Opinions (82 Viewers)

I suspect they will be used for PCF giveaways or potentially swag. E.g.
  • 1 reward point = 1 entry into a big giveaway. Those who put in more have higher odds of winning.
  • 1000 rewards points = free PCF shirt
Something like that. In which case, I get the system.

That said, all of my efforts so far have been to make sure Michigan is on top of the leaderboard, because so far that's all that matters until anything is announced.
 
I suspect they will be used for PCF giveaways or potentially swag. E.g.
  • 1 reward point = 1 entry into a big giveaway. Those who put in more have higher odds of winning.
  • 1000 rewards points = free PCF shirt
Something like that. In which case, I get the system.

That said, all of my efforts so far have been to make sure Michigan is on top of the leaderboard, because so far that's all that matters until anything is announced.
Yeah, giveaway entries were replaced with entries via point submissions.

Added processes, added screens, no added value (yet).

We also know you can’t sell chips for points, as that thread was killed.

Maybe they’ll explain the rules in a year or two *shrug*
 
I don't understand new things because I am old.
And yet you still won...son of a...

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Maybe not too controversial, but chip denominations as a standard should be the following:

Cash sets:
- 10c
- 50c
- $1
- $5
- $20/$25
- $100

Tournament sets:
- 500
- 1000
- 5,000
- 25,000
- 100,000
- 500,000


No one "needs" a $500 cash chip (I know some of you out there use them), and I know many people love their green T25 chips, so I propose making the T25K chip green in colour as a standard.
 
Maybe not too controversial, but chip denominations as a standard should be the following:

Cash sets:
- 10c
- 50c
- $1
- $5
- $20/$25
- $100

Tournament sets:
- 500
- 1000
- 5,000
- 25,000
- 100,000
- 500,000


No one "needs" a $500 cash chip (I know some of you out there use them), and I know many people love their green T25 chips, so I propose making the T25K chip green in colour as a standard.
It is earth-shakingly controversial to suggest that there’s no place for a twenty-five cent frac.
 
Maybe not too controversial, but chip denominations as a standard should be the following:

Cash sets:
- 10c
- 50c
- $1
- $5
- $20/$25
- $100

Tournament sets:
- 500
- 1000
- 5,000
- 25,000
- 100,000
- 500,000


No one "needs" a $500 cash chip (I know some of you out there use them), and I know many people love their green T25 chips, so I propose making the T25K chip green in colour as a standard.
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25k will always be blue to me. I might be okay if it swaps places with orange for 5k like Sunset Beach does. Also I'll firmly assert that 100k is either white or pink.

With this why even have 500? Just start T-1000.
 
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25k will always be blue to me. I might be okay if it swaps places with orange for 5k like Sunset Beach does. Also I'll firmly assert that 100k is either white or pink.

With this why even have 500? Just start T-1000.
T5k is the new T100…

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The boat chips hurt many, specific forum, some invited in right away to pool money, others later for more price. The boat chips are a Netflix level documentary level.
 
Maybe not too controversial, but chip denominations as a standard should be the following:

Cash sets:
- 10c
- 50c
- $1
- $5
- $20/$25
- $100

Tournament sets:
- 500
- 1000
- 5,000
- 25,000
- 100,000
- 500,000


No one "needs" a $500 cash chip (I know some of you out there use them), and I know many people love their green T25 chips, so I propose making the T25K chip green in colour as a standard.
This is exactly how my two custom sets are designed, fwiw. (Links in signature.)

It is earth-shakingly controversial to suggest that there’s no place for a twenty-five cent frac.
Even given my cash set is designed with dime-half fracs, I totally get why the quarter is more common. I settled on dime-half because I do host stakes where the quarter is too big, but didn't want to go all the way down to a nickel.

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25k will always be blue to me. I might be okay if it swaps places with orange for 5k like Sunset Beach does. Also I'll firmly assert that 100k is either white or pink.

With this why even have 500? Just start T-1000.
I really like the base T500 for tournaments. To answer the question about why not t1000 base, it's that personally, I like that 2x jump at the start of the progression. It simplifies the first color up since you don't have to issue a ton of t500 chips in starting stacks. I do 6 per player max. Whereas if your first color up is for a 4x or 5x jump in progression, you remove many more chips from play.

(Edit to add examples)
In an 12/12/5/6 T10K starting stack with base T25, you remove over 1/3 of the chips in play. Whereas with a 6/12/12/5 T200K starting stack with base T500, you are removing more like only 1/6 of the chips in play on the first color up, which makes sense to me on the color up where you will have the most players still in the tournament.

That said, I did green for t25k chips but I am thinking about having it redone sometime soon.
 
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It is earth-shakingly controversial to suggest that there’s no place for a twenty-five cent frac.
Hey now, when I joined I asked the forum about doing 10c/50 vs 5c/25c and that seemed to ruffle a few feathers lol. I was told to "stop trying to reinvent the wheel" and "why are we trying to fix something that isn't broken?" etc, so surely it's a little controversial (but maybe sentiments have changed since).

So cool!

With this why even have 500? Just start T-1000.
TLDR for my response below: Starting with T500's is more efficient for a tournament breakdown because you need fewer T500 chips in play which will soon be back in the case at the first colour up anyway.


But @JustinInMN already covered one of the main reasons being that since you only ever need one T500 chip per bet, you can get away with having fewer T500's in starting stacks, and when the first colour up comes around you don't lose ~35% of the chips on the table. (ex: T5 base, 2000 starting stack of 10/10/7/2 removes 35% of chips within the first hour of play, where as a T500 base, 125,000 starting stack of 6/12/12/2 only removes ~19% of chips). Most people love having moar chips, and this helps maintain that in a fairly efficient way.

But to expand further on this...there is a positive trade off to having fewer of the smallest chip in a starting stack. If you think about the standard T5 stack needing 10/10/7/x or a T500 needing 10/10/7/x VS a T500 using 6/12/12/x you are effectively sacrificing the smallest and least valuable chip (the same chip that is only used for 25% of the total gameplay then tossed back into a case) to gain extra, more valuable chips that are used much later on or even to the end of a game. You convert those 4 measly T500 chips into two extra T1K and five extra T5K's which are the early and late workhorse chips, respectively, giving more useful betting chips and having less change making scenarios after the first break when the game is in full swing.

And a much less important reason for not starting at T1000 (or T5000) is that when people make bets or count their stacks they don't use the word "thousand" very often. When everyone knows the context that each chip is already in the thousands they just drop the word and say "3" or "I'll bet 50" instead. Having a T1K or a T5K base tournament is the same as a T1 or T5 base but you've just added on the word thousand for funsies (which is perfectly valid for novelty, especially when you have @cpac54 Rio set :wow:, but not for a standard tournament, in my opinion). When doing a T500 base set you start the tournament betting in "hundreds" (ie 15-hundred, 85-hundred etc) and then switch into betting thousands later on (5-thousand, 45-thousand etc), so in a way the denominations actually matter a little more and serve more of a purpose.
 
Hey now, when I joined I asked the forum about doing 10c/50 vs 5c/25c and that seemed to ruffle a few feathers lol. I was told to "stop trying to reinvent the wheel" and "why are we trying to fix something that isn't broken?" etc, so surely it's a little controversial (but maybe sentiments have changed since).
Sentiments have changed.

A few years ago, 1¢ fracs were the most micro-stake chip you could put into play. Very few sets were ever made that low, and the nickel became the lowest denom for microstakes.

Today (in America at least), the penny no longer exists as a form of currency. 5¢ is the new 1¢ chip, so now I would advocate for the 10¢ as the lowest reasonable microstake chip.
 
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25k will always be blue to me. I might be okay if it swaps places with orange for 5k like Sunset Beach does. Also I'll firmly assert that 100k is either white or pink.
I also have a certain synesthesia where to me certain denoms will always feel "natural" with certain colours for tournaments.

Depending on the first digit in a denom it generally follows:
- 1's (ie 100, 1K, 100K) = black/white/blues/odd-ball yellow just because that's the way it is lol
- 2's (ie 25, 25K) = greens

- 5's (ie 5, 500, 5K, 500K) = reds/oranges/purples etc
 
Sentiments have changed.

A few years ago, 1¢ fracs were the most micro-stake chip you could put into play. Very few sets were ever made that low, and the nickel became the lowest denom for microstakes.

Today (in America at least), the penny no longer exists as a form of currency. 5¢ is the new 1¢ chip, so now I would advocate for the 10¢ as the lowest reasonable microstake chip.
Yup that makes sense. Another reason for the 10c/50c progression. Soon enough the quarter people will switch to 50c fracs as you get twice the value and need fewer of them for a set. And I think right now, even though 10c is basically nothing, it's still 2x as much as 5c and instantly makes it more valuable in a micro stakes game.
 
Yup that makes sense. Another reason for the 10c/50c progression. Soon enough the quarter people will switch to 50c fracs as you get twice the value and need fewer of them for a set. And I think right now, even though 10c is basically nothing, it's still 2x as much as 5c and instantly makes it more valuable in a micro stakes game.
Nah, I’m not on board. 25c/25c will eventually become the micro stakes, 25c/50c for larger games. When we make the next jump it won’t be 50c/50c or 50c/$1, but rather $1/1.

50c chips have super limited utility, only really make sense in a 50c/50c world.. and at that point why not just go 25c since you’ll have a couple stakes those can support. Don’t get me wrong, 50c/50c is fine, but don’t see why less chips and flexibility is preferable if you have the option.

Similarly for 10c chips, would only really make sense for 10c/10c, since 25c/25c > 10c/20c, and 20c isn’t a multiple either of a 50c chip…

Messy.
 
Nah, I’m not on board. 25c/25c will eventually become the micro stakes, 25c/50c for larger games. When we make the next jump it won’t be 50c/50c or 50c/$1, but rather $1/1.

50c chips have super limited utility, only really make sense in a 50c/50c world.. and at that point why not just go 25c since you’ll have a couple stakes those can support. Don’t get me wrong, 50c/50c is fine, but don’t see why less chips and flexibility is preferable if you have the option.

Similarly for 10c chips, would only really make sense for 10c/10c, since 25c/25c > 10c/20c, and 20c isn’t a multiple either of a 50c chip…

Messy.
*whispers* I agree with you about 25c but I'm trying to be controversial and make micro stakes feel less worthless.

Might be time to...
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But yes, I've gone back and forth multiple times on if I want a 10c/50c set or a 5c/25c set. I truly think 10c/50c can work well with micro stakes, especially since the intention is to play 10c/10c with the option of bumping up to 10c/20c later. But if playing $20-50 buyins then I agree 25c works better.
 
If you are someone that buys and sells poker racks or sets even occasionally, go buy 20, 40, 100 boxes from Spinettis or Justin or someone and place them in a closet. When you sell chips, ship them in the d*mn boxes.

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*this has been your daily Barrie vs clouds PSA*
 
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10x between denominations is the new 4 or 5x. Instead of .25/.25, we should all play .10/.20 like the wynn $10/$20 game. No 25s, 50s or 500s, and mOaR 10s and 100s:

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Hey now, when I joined I asked the forum about doing 10c/50 vs 5c/25c and that seemed to ruffle a few feathers lol. I was told to "stop trying to reinvent the wheel" and "why are we trying to fix something that isn't broken?" etc, so surely it's a little controversial (but maybe sentiments have changed since).
I can't speak for @upNdown, but I didn't his response as sarcastic. You said your post was "maybe not too controversial," and he said it's "earth-shakingly controversial" to remove quarters (and I agree). I think it's also controversial to have 2x denoms in a set. Would the 50c and $1 ever play together? Just embrace the weirdness and go 10c/50c/$2.5/$10/$50.
 
I can't speak for @upNdown, but I didn't his response as sarcastic. You said your post was "maybe not too controversial," and he said it's "earth-shakingly controversial" to remove quarters (and I agree). I think it's also controversial to have 2x denoms in a set. Would the 50c and $1 ever play together? Just embrace the weirdness and go 10c/50c/$2.5/$10/$50.
Ya it’s hard to truly read sarcasm in text, but I thought he was being sarcastic they way it was written knowing that there are a chunk of people out there that use 50c as their fracs.

And I think it does work, in the same way that $500/$1000 works in high stakes poker. This would just be the home game small stakes equivalent. It would also make their $100 equivalent chip the 10c chip.

I can’t say high stakes denoms are perfect, but they are used across the board as the standard, at least in NA.
 

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