All I know is that if I'm the SB I'm licking my chops at this action
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AK in late stages of a NLHE tournament, gets re-raised by Villain (11 Viewers)
- Thread starter WedgeRock
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Let's say Villain folds 80% of his 3-bets to a shove, our EV there is 65K. On the 20% we get call, we need barely any equity, like 10%. I think we can get there with enough QQs, KK and AKs. We should have around 40% if he calls with all of those.
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All I know is that if I'm the SB I'm licking my chops at this action
absolutely!!!
ChipMonster
Straight
I’d be prone to shove here.
That is way to much math my friend!
OP
OP
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mipevi
Full House
At under 30bb effective and 3-handed, AKs should be in hero's value 4bet range. Of course it sucks that villain has us covered, which is why I'd maximize our fold equity by shoving all 4bets in this spot. If hero calls the SPR will be too low to really take advantage of position anyway.
That's hurtful.
BPTDirector
Full House
At the end of the day AK is two cards in a seven card game. I can double up later if the flop comes poorly for me if I flat, if I push I’m out with no chance of playing my way back in.
Never change this mindset, damn whippersnappers betting preflop! Just trap, you'll make them pay.
(Kidding. I get that AK looks draw-ish and there's merit to staying alive for sure.)
ekricket
Royal Flush
At this point there is “what the math says” and “what I’ve learned about these guys while playing with them and what happened during the hand” - down to did he scratch his ear kinda stuff.
What’s your retirement funding situation? Have you been displined with low cost index funds and a dollar cost averaged approach, or did you YOLO your nest egg away with crypto bets and speculative meme stonks?
Your answer to the above affects how aggressive we can be.
Your answer to the above affects how aggressive we can be.
BPTDirector
Full House
Since when is AK a made hand??
When you’re against AQ-, KQ-, etc.
Why? Avoiding tough decisions? Interesting point though. I think about this when it comes to late registration, putting a premium on being fresh.
Yeah just not trusting myself to not get outplayed or give away my standing in the hand if head is throbbing. Que sera sera at that point. I know I'm not going to beat myself up too bad about an AK getting it in preflop with 15ish effective BBs given the antes.
BPTDirector
Full House
That’s wrong thinking. You’re just ahead at the onset. Ive seen a lot of suckouts against AK when shoving with two cards pre flop.When you’re against AQ-, KQ-, etc.
No, it’s not. You’re dominating those hands, that’s how you win in poker.
Based on your reasoning AA is only ahead of 53o until the flop if 953. So AA are not a made hand also?
The whole concept of a made hand is bogus. It’s about the equity of your hand vs your opponents range.
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BPTDirector
Full House
A pair is a made hand. AK loses to 22 if it doesn’t hit a card to pair up or make a straight. FYI - I win more than variance says I should.
AK is a made hand vs AQ if AQ doesn’t hit a card. It’s the exact same thing. Call it what you want.
There are tons of instances in PLO, fewer in Holden, in which big draws have way more equity than a made hand, even a good one at that, like a set. No one in their right mind would pick a hand with significantly lower equity vs a high equity draw just because it’s already ‘made’.
upNdown
Royal Flush
No doubt. Though equity-wise, AK might actually be ahead. And when you figure in the other guy’s fold equity, it’s way ahead.
Edit - just checked equity calculator - 22 is ahead.
BPTDirector
Full House
I have played it both ways, so I’ll quit this debate. It just depends I guess on circumstances, read on the other player, etc.
Oh, I’m not arguing if it’s a call or a shove at all. That’s close in the OP’s case because of ICM, otherwise, it’s a no brainer shove with AK, solvers show you that on that stack depth.
just flat...play it low variance.
If you don't hit the flop...let it go...
Your chip advantage is too big vs third spot.
First secure a heads-up and make a deal (boooooooh) or consider it a freeroll to first place....or grind it out if you think your have a skill advantage.
OP
OP
The vote seems 60/40 in favor of jamming over flatting (with an outlier vote for raise less than all in... some people like to see the world burn). 0% fold. I think that's exactly where it should be.
If you guys saw my post in the other thread, you already know what happened. I jammed and Villain rolled over QQ. The board did not improve my hand, and I was out in 3rd.
My thought was to play for the win. If I take this pot down, I have 70% of the chips in play and solidly in the driver's seat. I don't regret my play because it gave me the best chance to win, IMO. But I've been thinking all weekend that I gave the short stack and extra $750 by busting out here. And I've been wondering if there was any chance to get away here and try to secure the $750 ladder up, or if that play is just too soft/exploitable. Flop was a complete whiff, so if I did just flat, and he bets/shoves flop, I can maybe get away from this hand losing only about 15% of my stack.
After this hand, Villain had 80% of the chips on the table and I assume he won the tournament.
If you guys saw my post in the other thread, you already know what happened. I jammed and Villain rolled over QQ. The board did not improve my hand, and I was out in 3rd.
My thought was to play for the win. If I take this pot down, I have 70% of the chips in play and solidly in the driver's seat. I don't regret my play because it gave me the best chance to win, IMO. But I've been thinking all weekend that I gave the short stack and extra $750 by busting out here. And I've been wondering if there was any chance to get away here and try to secure the $750 ladder up, or if that play is just too soft/exploitable. Flop was a complete whiff, so if I did just flat, and he bets/shoves flop, I can maybe get away from this hand losing only about 15% of my stack.
After this hand, Villain had 80% of the chips on the table and I assume he won the tournament.
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That's why I said you should have folded pre!
OP
OP
Who doesn't like to flip for their tournament life after 10 hours of grinding?
ekricket
Royal Flush
Would you do the same thing with pocket jacks?
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