Rules for Jughead, Veronica, BumBum - do I have this right? (1 Viewer)

[LotsOfChips]

I'm trying to find the definitive rules for a few circus games, and can't find some games in all of the usual places. This is what I've been able to piece together from various threads...

Archie (rules in Abby's resource file): 5 hole cards, 3 draws, High/Low split
Jughead - same as Archie, but with 2 draws (pre-flop, pre-turn, or pre-turn, pre-river???)
Veronica - no information found
BumBum - Omaha variant, 5 hole cards, draw pre-turn, High/Low split, must use either 2 or 5 hole cards

Any further information is appreciated.

 

[JMC9389]

Correct on Archie.

Jughead is Archie with only two draws.

Veronica is Archie but with a single community card that can be used for the high hand only.

Christina (Veronica variant I invented) is Veronica but you can also use the community card to make your low hand (8 or lower qualifier)

Correct on Bum Bum. Best high hand and A-8 low using two of your cards in the mitt and three on the board or all 5 hole cards

 

[Schmendr1ck]

Jughead - same as Archie, but with 2 draws (pre-flop, pre-turn, or pre-turn, pre-river???)

There is no board in Archie or Jughead. Just five hole cards per player, and 2 (Jughead) or 3 (Archie) draws.

 

[LotsOfChips]

There is no board in Archie or Jughead. Just five hole cards per player, and 2 (Jughead) or 3 (Archie) draws.

Doh, I misread Abby's resource cards. That's what I get for multi-tasking when asking questions.

Veronica is Archie but with a single community card that can be used for the high hand only.

When is the community card turned over? Before or after which draw?

Christina (Veronica variant I invented) is Veronica but you can also use the community card to make your low hand (8 or lower qualifier)

Two questions - Why Christina (and not Betty)? And can you use the community card for both High and Low, or do you have to declare one or the other?

 

[JMC9389]

Doh, I misread Abby's resource cards. That's what I get for multi-tasking when asking questions.


When is the community card turned over? Before or after which draw?

Two questions - Why Christina (and not Betty)? And can you use the community card for both High and Low, or do you have to declare one or the other?

The community card is turned over immediately after the cards are dealt

Christina is the name of an old ex of mine (and a separate Christina of my good friend) and the game was named in tribute of them as a game that fucks people over.

You can use the community card to make both a high and a low hand.

Say you have the ace, 2, 3, 4 of hearts and the community card is the 5 of hearts. You would have the nuts for the low and a straight flush for your high hand.

 

[LotsOfChips]

Thanks for the explanation.

One other stupid question...

For the draw games with multiple draws (Archie variants, Baduecy, Badugi, 2-7 triple draw, etc), how many cards are you allowed to draw? Is it limited to a certain number per draw (like 1 or 2 cards), or can you discard and draw as many as the number of hole cards?

If you run out of cards before the end, do you shuffle the discards and use them to complete the game?

 

[inca911]

Archie, Jughead, et al have a key qualification requirement:
99 or better to qualify for high hand.
8 or less required to qualify for low.
If no low qualifier, high hand scoops is best (some play if no high and low qualifiers, all bets are either returned to active players or remain in pot).
Look up @abby99 mixed game cards in Resources.

Game typically played pot limit. Preserve first folds to use for future draws. Have players discard in front of them to ensure they can’t redraw their discards.

 

[TheOffalo]

How about this as an Archie / Veronica variant?

Sabrina
99 or better qualifier for high
8 or lower qualifier for low
Community card comes out after the deal:

• If 9-K, can only be used for high.
• If 2-7, can only be used for low.
• If A or 8, can be used both ways.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

How about this as an Archie / Veronica variant?

Sabrina
99 or better qualifier for high
8 or lower qualifier for low
Community card comes out after the deal:

• If 9-K, can only be used for high.
• If 2-7, can only be used for low.
• If A or 8, can be used both ways.

Hmm, I understand but we'd prefer not to switch up what the card is used for.

 

[FordPickup92]

Clearly, you haven't played derailment

 

[churlbut18]

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