GB Completed Custom Cut Card Group Buy - Jan 2025 (18 Viewers)

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This is what I wanted to print and the cards you see below are what I received. Is it 100%? No, but I specifically designed these to be off center and cut off (maybe I had a vision of the future?). For me, these are acceptable.

I want to just say that Oscar did check in on me with this design during this process. Somewhere, somehow, the formatting of this design was messed up and Oscar reached out to double check. I may have been an edge case. I'm not sure. I just wanted to make it known that Oscar did not just blindly throw these designs over to the printer.

(You know, maybe I'm the one to blame for the aggressive shifting of everyone's designs. Maybe they worked on printing my cards first and that calibration threw all the other subsequent cards off)


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I think you may have hit on the real issue in your last sentence. I've been thinking the same, but hesitated to come right out and say it. Why else would a company that has a good reputation from many previous encounters with PCF still be pushing back on resolving this? The product they shipped out is clearly about 50% garbage. They have to see that with very little effort. They should clearly be offering to do something to fix it, unless it was Oscar himself who approved all the proofs and made the file edits? If this is the case, then we're all screwed and all this effort we're putting forth is a waste of time.

In fairness, and not to beat a dead horse, but how many (much older and not from this GB) cut cards have been posted in here with the exact same off-center issue from this vendor?

I've cancelled my own GB with this company because it's clear they don't have their shit together, well beyond any file-error/proof approvals that may have been made on the front end.

On-center printing is a basics/101 problem, if you can't get that right, you aren't worth my time, energy, or money.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the question be if they are willing to refund or not, rather than all this technical how-its-made?

It's nice to know what went wrong but more important to know if people will get their money back (unless thats not something people are interested in).

Something like "~ went wrong. We would like to request a courtesy refund of $. Thanks".

Worst they say is no. And even then that stops all the complaining.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the question be if they are willing to refund or not, rather than all this technical how-its-made?

It's nice to know what went wrong but more important to know if people will get their money back (unless thats not something people are interested in).

Something like "~ went wrong. We would like to request a courtesy refund of $. Thanks".

Worst they say is no. And even then that stops all the complaining.
It’s been my experience that printers reprint their errors, and generally don’t refund.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the question be if they are willing to refund or not, rather than all this technical how-its-made?

It's nice to know what went wrong but more important to know if people will get their money back (unless thats not something people are interested in).

Something like "~ went wrong. We would like to request a courtesy refund of $. Thanks".

Worst they say is no. And even then that stops all the complaining.
I think it’s two ways of getting the same information. Ask the question of what should have been do to prevent this and what are we going to do to make it right vs What are we going to do about this?” and them explaining why they will/won’t reprint/refund.
It’s been my experience that printers reprint their errors, and generally don’t refund.
This will definitely be the first thing they offer, although I could see a partial refund depending on the number of cards not meeting QC
 
Theyll just send messed up versions tho or it will take another year.

I have no horse in this race just pointing it out
 
In fairness, and not to beat a dead horse, but how many (much older and not from this GB) cut cards have been posted in here with the exact same off-center issue from this vendor?

I've cancelled my own GB with this company because it's clear they don't have their shit together, well beyond any file-error/proof approvals that may have been made on the front end.

On-center printing is a basics/101 problem, if you can't get that right, you aren't worth my time, energy, or money.
If you are specifically asking me, I've ordered from several cut card GBs including my own previous custom design, and quite a few casino designs. I believe they all came from this same vendor, and there has never even been an inkling of an issue that I'm aware of.
 
Theyll just send messed up versions tho or it will take another year.

I have no horse in this race just pointing it out
It shouldn't take another year for reprints, because it never should have taken a year in the first place. That part is 90% on Oscar, not the printers.
 
Just wanted to keep everyone in the loop.

It’s been another 3 days since my last follow-up to the manufacturer and I still haven’t received a response. In that email I asked them directly about:

• their actual print/cut tolerances
• whether this run was within their spec
• how QC is supposed to catch alignment issues
• what specifically went wrong on this job
• and whether redos or reprints are possible on the worst designs

So far, no answers to those yet.

I also made it very clear to them that I’ve already paid refunds out of my own pocket for some of the mistakes people received, so they understand the real impact this has had.

At this point they haven’t offered reprints, refunds, or partial credit, and communication hasn’t been great. I’m still pushing for answers and not dropping it, but I don’t want to sugarcoat where things stand.

I also want to be honest that this thread has started to go in circles a bit and it’s getting harder to track what’s new vs. what’s already been discussed. I’ve apologized multiple times and have done my best to fix what I can on my end.

I’ve received a few emails and I’ll be going through those this week. If you still need something addressed, please PM or email me directly — that’s the best way to make sure nothing gets missed.

I’m not trying to dodge responsibility, just trying to keep things manageable and productive. Moving remaining issues to private messages probably makes the most sense at this point.

If anyone has suggestions on how to wrap this thread up constructively, I’m open to hearing them.
 
this thread has started to go in circles a bit and it’s getting harder to track what’s new vs. what’s already been discussed.
If anyone has suggestions on how to wrap this thread up constructively, I’m open to hearing them.
Maybe check the thread and respond more often than once per week?

Candidly, it does not matter what their actual print/cut tolerances are, whether this run was within their spec, how QC is supposed to catch alignment issues or what specifically went wrong on this job. All that matters is that they have many unhappy customers and they should be working to make them happy rather than alienate them.

I'm as unhappy with the alignment on the bridge cards as I am that you sent them out as if they were fine. Bridge alignment issues should have been identified by you, the final customer should have been sent pictures and the option to accept or reject, and the company should have been contacted about the rejected alignment issues. Then you'd have all the rejects rather than them being catered all over the country and/or the world.
 
Maybe check the thread and respond more often than once per week?

Candidly, it does not matter what their actual print/cut tolerances are, whether this run was within their spec, how QC is supposed to catch alignment issues or what specifically went wrong on this job. All that matters is that they have many unhappy customers and they should be working to make them happy rather than alienate them.

I'm as unhappy with the alignment on the bridge cards as I am that you sent them out as if they were fine. Bridge alignment issues should have been identified by you, the final customer should have been sent pictures and the option to accept or reject, and the company should have been contacted about the rejected alignment issues. Then you'd have all the rejects rather than them being catered all over the country and/or the world.
I agree 100%. What if they reprint all the bad cards? Who pays for shipping? @Okku ? Or the members who received bad cards? Both sub-optimal outcomes imo.
 
Constructive way to wrap this up? Here is one:

To those who were short shipped -- who knows how this happened but you are not getting your cards.

To those who received misprints -- not worth fighting with plastic printers over a 9 month window of who sent what to whom and who approved what proof -- you are not getting replacements.

To those who are interested in participating in another GB @BarrieJ3 just did one and I am doing a small one -- PM me if you are in a bind.

Everyone has strengths and weaknesses and I think we can acknowledge that managing GBs aren't one of @okkus strengths.

To those who are not happy with this -- suck it up, buttercup.

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