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GB Completed Custom Cut Card Group Buy - Jan 2025 (21 Viewers)

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Cards in the mail today!
Import taxes included.

I was lucky enough with my designs in landscape mode.
Some turned out great!

But there must have been a major change within.
They not only zoomed in some designs, they completely changed the colors!
Compare the white on poker/bridge

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Really sorry for what happened with this everyone. If anyone has any McLovin, Rio, or Jack cards they want to sell, PM me. I'm okay with imperfections. Thanks.
 
SwissChip said:
Cards in the mail today!
Import taxes included.

I was lucky enough with my designs in landscape mode.
Some turned out great!

But there must have been a major change within.
They not only zoomed in some designs, they completely changed the colors!
Compare the white on poker/bridge

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This seems to be the best orientation and design process. No border, background that can shift around and be imperceptible to being cut in the wrong spot. Still weird with colors and zooming but these may be the best ones I’ve seen come out.
 
ChipMonster said:
This seems to be the best orientation and design process. No border, background that can shift around and be imperceptible to being cut in the wrong spot. Still weird with colors and zooming
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Observations:
Poker is less off than bridge.
Landscape designs work better.
Bleed border works not bad.
Why they start to zoom in while production is still a mistery!

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Received mine last week and overall and compared to others in this thread, I think I could be "pleased" that my cards didn't come with big issues like missing graphic layers etc...

Am I happy? Well, not really, since my cards do have a bit of off-center issues on all backsides - maybe the off-center is within normal parameters, but it looks odd.... I'm happy that I let enough space to the outlines that the graphic itself has not been affected. I also don't think that my design (.ai file) has not been zoomed in during printing.

What I really don't like is the upside down backside on all cards, since I never expected the company to print it that way...

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Bridge Size, upper row frontsides, lower row backsides
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Pokersize, upper row frontsides, lower row backsides
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Off-center is better to see in close up.
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In the end, I can use them and the printing resolution is great imo. But I also do have some tiny wrinkles at the edges on a few cards. Overall, the cards are okay, but the off-center printing and flipped backsides are dissapointing.
 
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How much of a "deal" did this groupbuy save rather than purchasing cut cards on a standalone basis?
 
well, now my turn on feedback. Thankfully oscar managed to ship all CC to Craig who muled them over to the swiss meetup. That´s a positiv aspect about saving customs. I have four designs with different front and back sides. two designs in poker size and two in bridge size. Overall pretty ok (given the fact that my design should not be to crazy), but the alignment on the bridge cards is slightly off. The design on the white poker design is shrinked compared to the rest (no big deal), but unfortunatly they fucked up one side of the black bridge design. whoever checked this mockup and said it is fine should change the job.

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Fran said:
What a nightmare this GB is... :( I can't say anything about the alignment issues with my order because on top of that, my package seems to have been lost by UPS...:wtf:
150 cut cards, 22 different designs, over €300, and nothing for a year... :mad:
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Well, after several inquiries with UPS, the package finally reappeared.
The explanation is that Okku had sent it without any customs declaration, no information about the contents or declared value... as if it were just a domestic shipment... :mad: I was lucky to get it back...

But all these administrative procedures come at a cost, and I had to pay almost 30% of the total price in administrative and customs fees to get it back (about $100)... :wtf:

All the designs were retouched, even though this was the third time I had used this template to order from this manufacturer and I had never had any problems before :unsure:

The best example...

Template sent :

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What I received…
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148 cuts cards ordered :
  • 12 cuts « missing », 8% of the order
  • 12 cuts « failed », 8% of the order
  • 70 cuts « acceptable », 48% of the order
  • 54 cuts « correct », 36% of the order
some cards received are not the one I ordered for exemple HSI black received instead of HSI grey landscape ordered.
No WSOP, no PokerStars and no pharaoh cuts in the package…
Even if I wrap up e-mails to Okku with the fully detailed breakdown to help him in dispatching…

Only 1/3 of my order can be considered as a good result … (If I don't take into account the zoom effect on the designs, but with no real impact on the result)

… and it seems that for others here, it's even worse.
 
Fran said:
Well, after several inquiries with UPS, the package finally reappeared.
The explanation is that Okku had sent it without any customs declaration, no information about the contents or declared value... as if it were just a domestic shipment... :mad: I was lucky to get it back...

But all these administrative procedures come at a cost, and I had to pay almost 30% of the total price in administrative and customs fees to get it back (about $100)... :wtf:

All the designs were retouched, even though this was the third time I had used this template to order from this manufacturer and I had never had any problems before :unsure:

The best example...

Template sent :

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What I received…
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148 cuts cards ordered :
  • 12 cuts « missing », 8% of the order
  • 12 cuts « failed », 8% of the order
  • 70 cuts « acceptable », 48% of the order
  • 54 cuts « correct », 36% of the order
some cards received are not the one I ordered for exemple HSI black received instead of HSI grey landscape ordered.
No WSOP, no PokerStars and no pharaoh cuts in the package…
Even if I wrap up e-mails to Okku with the fully detailed breakdown to help him in dispatching…

Only 1/3 of my order can be considered as a good result … (If I don't take into account the zoom effect on the designs, but with no real impact on the result)

… and it seems that for others here, it's even worse.
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That retouching is crazy. I would love to know who is responsible for that? Like why would anyone modify it like that between Okku or the printer?

Make it make sense!!
 
Just to chime in on my results for the record. Poker sized were off-center, but good and acceptable. Bridge was scaled incorrectly as many others have noted and are probably not going to be used. But it is what it is. Its water under the bridge for me after this long. I've made worse financial decisions. Cursing myself for adding a border for sure. That's my own fault.1000018025.webp1000018024.webp
 
GamingWithChips said:
Seeing this thread makes me wonder how the hell Justin managers the constant Tina group buys lol
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So all these types of comments and the consistent calling out of a printer that has never had these issues before is so comical to me. It is obvious what happened here and why. The constant influx of these comments and the come to the rescue comments are so off base it has proved out to actually make this entertaining due to the absurdity of it all. At first it was irritating, but no longer. As the comment above said it well, it has become provided so much entertainment, I am so glad I have been a part of this whole situation. So thank you to all for making it so!
 
Bauce said:
So all these types of comments and the consistent calling out of a printer that has never had these issues before is so comical to me. It is obvious what happened here and why. The constant influx of these comments and the come to the rescue comments are so off base it has proved out to actually make this entertaining due to the absurdity of it all. At first it was irritating, but no longer. As the comment above said it well, it has become provided so much entertainment, I am so glad I have been a part of this whole situation. So thank you to all for making it so!
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I’ve found that really wild too. When I’ve done other group buys with the same printer I just sent my file and 2 months later had my cards. Remember the dozens of times Okku said he was sending proofs back and forth? What if HE was the one changing the files? Wouldn’t that make more sense than the professional printing company who has had zero issues in the past? I did bridge size vertical designs before with no alignment problems. Someone suggested this was all the printer’s fault and everyone ran with it it when the alternative answer is much more probable.
 
Bauce said:
So all these types of comments and the consistent calling out of a printer that has never had these issues before is so comical to me. It is obvious what happened here and why. The constant influx of these comments and the come to the rescue comments are so off base it has proved out to actually make this entertaining due to the absurdity of it all. At first it was irritating, but no longer. As the comment above said it well, it has become provided so much entertainment, I am so glad I have been a part of this whole situation. So thank you to all for making it so!
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djfayze said:
I’ve found that really wild too. When I’ve done other group buys with the same printer I just sent my file and 2 months later had my cards. Remember the dozens of times Okku said he was sending proofs back and forth? What if HE was the one changing the files? Wouldn’t that make more sense than the professional printing company who has had zero issues in the past? I did bridge size vertical designs before with no alignment problems. Someone suggested this was all the printer’s fault and everyone ran with it it when the alternative answer is much more probable.
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One thing that was notably absent from this process vs the only other time I’ve been a part of one of these buys is the review of the proofs by the file owner. Outside of the inversion issues, I’d guess 80%+ of the issues here would have been discovered prior to printing if the designer had been the party approving the proofs. While I’m sure Oscar did his best, it was always going to be a challenge for him to look at a design and know what is supposed to be there or whether something was amiss.

While there seem to be two pretty distinct sides of the argument here, I think it’s an easy out to point the finger squarely at Oscar when there are so many unknowns that will likely stay that way. By his own admission, there are numerous things he would have done differently now that he’s been through the process. But it’s ingenuous to place 100% of the blame on Oscar. Or the printer for that matter

And in 59 pages now, I can’t recall a single person asking to personally review their file proofs prior to being sent to the press. So even if it was passively, we all carry some of the weight of what happened. Or at least the file owners should. I’m sure there were lots of people who bought cards only designed by others, and maybe they get off scott free on this one.

While the finished product for some of these designs was not as intended, there is still a member who volunteered their time and energy to try and bring something to the community at large. A member who uncharacteristically hasn’t logged on in almost a week. And maybe it has nothing to do with anything here on the Forum or this thread. But it makes me sad to think that’s even a possibility
 
Any updates on the Tangiers cut cards or is everyone just giving up on them. Can’t get an answer.
 
Bauce said:
So all these types of comments and the consistent calling out of a printer that has never had these issues before is so comical to me. It is obvious what happened here and why. The constant influx of these comments and the come to the rescue comments are so off base it has proved out to actually make this entertaining due to the absurdity of it all. At first it was irritating, but no longer. As the comment above said it well, it has become provided so much entertainment, I am so glad I have been a part of this whole situation. So thank you to all for making it so!
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djfayze said:
I’ve found that really wild too. When I’ve done other group buys with the same printer I just sent my file and 2 months later had my cards. Remember the dozens of times Okku said he was sending proofs back and forth? What if HE was the one changing the files? Wouldn’t that make more sense than the professional printing company who has had zero issues in the past? I did bridge size vertical designs before with no alignment problems. Someone suggested this was all the printer’s fault and everyone ran with it it when the alternative answer is much more probable.
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Although I can see how you guys are arriving at that conclusion, the facts simply don't support it. First, please note that if you read through this entire thread multiple people stated that they have, in fact, had various minor issues with Plastic Printers in the past. Obviously no issues anywhere near as egregious as what we've run into here, of course, but issues still nevertheless.

But far more importantly, we know for a fact that Okku did not actually produce any of these cut cards himself, right? I mean we can be reasonably sure that he is not one of the Plastic Printers employees located in Hastings, MN who actually printed out images on these pieces of plastic, physically cut them down to size and shape, next reviewed them for quality control purposes, and then ultimately packaged and shipped them back to himself in Las Vegas, NV. In fact, if you go to the web link below, scroll about halfway down the page, and then click on "Production & Fulfillment" you can see all of the people who truly did produce our cards (and none of them seem to be named Oscar).

https://www.plasticprinters.com/join-our-team-1?_gl=1*1ks2e9k*_gcl_au*OTMwOTQyNDcxLjE3Njk2NjM5MTE.

If you then explore that Plastic Printers website a little bit more you'll find plenty of places where they claim to be the absolute best at what they do, and they virtually guarantee that their quality standards are so high that you're bound to love the results. One quote from their site was "Our team is dedicated to each and every project as if it were our own. From answering your call to shipping your products to your door, we do it all in-house, taking pride in the work we do and carefully quality checking our products along the way." And in another very prominent spot on their site they claim "Before we ship your final product, we do one last inspection to ensure we provide you with the highest quality product."

Yet at least 75%-80% of the vertically oriented cards from this group buy turned out to be such garbage that they literally went right into the trash. And quite a number of people complained that even some of their horizontal designs were borderline unacceptable. Heck, we saw photos of examples where the alignment was so bad that even a blind man could have seen that text was blatantly being cut off. And that's to say nothing of the whole "head to foot" printing issue which resulted in image inversion between the front and back of each card. As I have previously mentioned, that is absolutely not any type of industry standard, and it is not disclosed anywhere on the Plastic Printers website nor in their graphics guides, and even their own internal employee that I communicated with assured me it is not a standard practice for them. Yet it happened on every single vertically oriented card in our entire order, and not a soul over at Plastic Printers ever thought to question it before just shipping them all out like they were perfect.

Please don't get me wrong. I am certainly not saying that Okku is completely blameless here. He obviously bit off waaaaay more than he could chew with this group buy project, and his communication skills are severely lacking, and he was caught being "less than truthful" multiple times. So I'll concede that it is absolutely possible he might have also goofed up some of the graphics during that whole back and forth with the proofs. But he certainly was not one of the Plastic Printers employees who basically produced an enormous cardboard box filled to the brim with dog crap and then proudly shipped it off as if it smelled like roses. So to blame him for stuff that we know for a fact he had absolutely nothing to do with seems a bit strange to me.
 
djfayze said:
Remember the dozens of times Okku said he was sending proofs back and forth? What if HE was the one changing the files? Wouldn’t that make more sense than the professional printing company who has had zero issues in the past?
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I actually considered this. I don't think Oscar would intentionally sabotage the project, but he did mention having to retouch a lot of the designs. What if he was mistaken and blew up the designs slightly for the grudge size cards?

That wouldn't account for the alignment issue, as the designs were clearly not aligned on the front and back before cutting. But blowing up the image would account for the shift to the right.
 
So let me clarify. I don’t think Oscar intentionally sabotaged everyone’s files. Nor do I think Plastic Printers did a perfect job. But this was not a well run group buy for a multitude of reasons. But to me it all starts and should end with Oscar. No one needs to rake him over the coals about it, it is only cut cards, but people should not continue to make excuses for him and point the finger somewhere else as he will learn nothing from this and just start agreeing that someone else is to blame. Are we to also think that plastic printers got the counts wrong as well? Did more than even half the people get the exact correct counts they ordered? If you had to buy more cut cards and you had a choice between Oscar doing another group buy with another vendor or Justin doing another group buy with Plastic Printers, which would you choose?
 
Bikshu said:
But far more importantly, we know for a fact that Okku did not actually produce any of these cut cards himself, right? I mean we can be reasonably sure that he is not one of the Plastic Printers employees located in Hastings, MN who actually printed out images on these pieces of plastic, physically cut them down to size and shape, next reviewed them for quality control purposes, and then ultimately packaged and shipped them back to himself in Las Vegas, NV. In fact, if you go to the web link below, scroll about halfway down the page, and then click on "Production & Fulfillment" you can see all of the people who truly did produce our cards (and none of them seem to be named Oscar).
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Okku:
1) Approved the proofs himself
2) Claimed to have touched up many, many designs while declining help from several group buy members
3) Shipped the final products out with the wrong quantities and poor lineups WITHOUT mentioning any of this prior or to those effected

He clearly bit off more than he can chew but he himself declined the help offered to him by several respected forum members while continuing to hold onto thousands of dollars for nearly a year before going into production. Even when many people offered to correct their own files, he declined and continued to give extremely lackluster and (come-to-find-out) false information.

I was not a part of the previous group buys but to use those as an example of minor alignment issues from the past (despite many members who brought this up as still acceptable) as a reason for the egregious problems in this GB is just ridiculous.
 
KevinPower5 said:
Okku:
1) Approved the proofs himself
2) Claimed to have touched up many, many designs while declining help from several group buy members
3) Shipped the final products out with the wrong quantities and poor lineups WITHOUT mentioning any of this prior or to those effected

He clearly bit off more than he can chew but he himself declined the help offered to him by several respected forum members while continuing to hold onto thousands of dollars for nearly a year before going into production. Even when many people offered to correct their own files, he declined and continued to give extremely lackluster and (come-to-find-out) false information.

I was not a part of the previous group buys but to use those as an example of minor alignment issues from the past (despite many members who brought this up as still acceptable) as a reason for the egregious problems in this GB is just ridiculous.
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Yeah, in my life at least, I couldn’t go to my employer, friends, or people I’ve done contract work for in the past and say “Sorry, bit off more than I could chew” and expect shoddy work to just disappear.
 
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