Should I relabel my LeNoir $10s to fracs? (1 Viewer)

[ninjajim4]

So I finally, finally after a lot of sitting and waiting, I finally got myself a cash set of LeNoirs and couldn't be happier. It was pretty insane how it all happened to work out. I saw a few barrels of 10s for sale on eBay and thought I would start piecing a set together starting there, with the original intent to relabel them as fracs. I messaged the seller and we got to chatting and miraculously he both had a whole set he was willing to part with and also happened to live right along the way to where I was vacationing the very next week. We met up and did the deal!

Thanks to a collab with @Gavin and the talents of @TheOffalo, I have a great LeNoir dealer button to go with the set and also an identically matching design for the fracs that Gear signed off on after some conversation, out of respect to the original LeNoir designer.

But then after it all, I began to have some reservations about doing this. I guess I feel like the LeNoir 10s are a rarity and perhaps I ought not to be murdering them, even though I can't myself ever selling this set in any circumstance, so value is a moot point? I also have felted this set a few times and the crew has been happy with 1/2 so no real need for fracs. We could also just play dollar value divided by 10 if people wanted to play a low stakes games, e.g. 20 bucks gets you $200 in chips.

Some may recall that I did (after some agonizing) end up pulling the trigger on a set of Samurai Palace that comes with fracs. This set has never been used at all, so it makes me question if I even need to do this at all. OTOH, I also recognize that 10s are a completely useless denomination and the completionist in me wants to have a full cash set of my grail chips.

TLDR
1) I hesitate to murder these 10s since they are rare
2) I haven't used fracs in any of my games to date
3) I have already a different set of chips w fracs if I need them

Thoughts??

 

[Rieguy]

overlabel

 

[ninjajim4]

overlabel

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in all seriousness, I'm not sure if this is genuinely a joke as it's a not a bad idea, but taking it at face value I would be bothered by the stackability/stack height. So I'd be either full relabeling or doing nothing

 

[jayfiggy]

in all seriousness, I'm not sure if this is genuinely a joke as it's a not a bad idea, but taking it at face value I would be bothered by the stackability/stack height. So I'd be either full relabeling or doing nothing

I would check and see if over-labels would actually affect stack heights. Maybe with a few samples or something. I’m not familiar with LeNoir chips specifically.
But Paulson chips, especially good condition chips, usually have a recession deep enough to work with over-labels.

I’m really not convinced anyone would ever use over-labels if that was a common issue, it negates one of the major advantages of using Paulson or real clay chips.

 

[Jers28]

Here’s a pic of three racks of Aqua Tigers. Two are murdered racks and one is an overlabel. Feel free to take a shot at which is the overlabel. (No spoilers from you guys that have over labels in your collections)

Even if you can spot the difference (and since my murdered chips have textured labels vs smooth, it should be fairly easy), I assure you my players can’t. I passed two chips around the table and asked the players at my game to please tell me which they preferred, the smooth over labels or the textured murdered chips. I REALLY wanted everyone to say the textured full label replacements, hands down! Most players said they couldn’t tell a difference.

I have entire sets that are overlabels and none are murdered. There’s no issues as you described them. If on the fence about a chips long term place in a lineup, I always stick with an overlabel. In this case, the over labeled rack never got felted and I sold them as the NCVs after peeling the labels back off. Factor in the savings on time and money vs a full label replacement on top of everything.

I’m all for murdering chips. But, over labeling is a perfectly viable option.

 

[EmptyPocs]

Keep the $10's.
Who needs a $20 when you can have twice as many $10's?

I prefer Blue to to be the big-chip.
Blue Chip: (in sense ‘played with blue chips’): from the blue chip used in gambling games, which usually has a high value.

 

[dizzyChipper]

Overlabel. No issues stacking or sliding. If the chip has no value to you as a $10 sell it or overlabel it.

Get em in play or get ‘em gone.

 

[ChippinUp]

I’ve over labelled my previous mixed set and had no issues. I would imagine if you had well used chips you may run a bigger risk.

I will say tho I much prefer a laminated label to work with. I had issues where the existing laminate on the inlays wasn’t perfectly smooth and those imperfections showed through the thinner label.

 

[NoNamePokerGuy]

If you already have fracs, and have never used fracs, I'm not sure why you'd go through the trouble of doing anything to make more fracs that you won't use.

 

[detroitdad]

1) I hesitate to murder these 10s since they are rare
2) I haven't used fracs in any of my games to date
3) I have already a different set of chips w fracs if I need them

Sounds like you already know the answer.

 

[warewulf]

I voted no. Up to you, but I'd rather add a frac on a different mold if you have to.

My group usually places .50/$1. Saturday we played at a different house and he didn't have fracs, so just made the blinds $1/$2. I don't feel like it played much different. By the time you save $200+ on a rack of fracs, you make up the difference in the extra few $1's you might lose, but could earn more too! Plus, not a single complaint when we raised the blinds.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Sounds like you don't actually need fracs, but weird in-between denoms like $10 make me want to spit.

Better idea: Murder them and relabel them into a useful denom like $20 or $25.

 

[ninjajim4]

If you already have fracs, and have never used fracs, I'm not sure why you'd go through the trouble of doing anything to make more fracs that you won't use.

Well.. I'm not sure if I will ever use them or not, but I KNOW i'll never use the 10s

 

[ninjajim4]

Here’s a pic of three racks of Aqua Tigers. Two are murdered racks and one is an overlabel. Feel free to take a shot at which is the overlabel. (No spoilers from you guys that have over labels in your collections)

Even if you can spot the difference (and since my murdered chips have textured labels vs smooth, it should be fairly easy), I assure you my players can’t. I passed two chips around the table and asked the players at my game to please tell me which they preferred, the smooth over labels or the textured murdered chips. I REALLY wanted everyone to say the textured full label replacements, hands down! Most players said they couldn’t tell a difference.

I have entire sets that are overlabels and none are murdered. There’s no issues as you described them. If on the fence about a chips long term place in a lineup, I always stick with an overlabel. In this case, the over labeled rack never got felted and I sold them as the NCVs after peeling the labels back off. Factor in the savings on time and money vs a full label replacement on top of everything.

I’m all for murdering chips. But, over labeling is a perfectly viable option.
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You guys are making quite the compelling case for overlabeling. When you ended up pulling them off again, the underlying labels were totally fine? It sounds like that was also a non issue?

 

[Jers28]

You guys are making quite the compelling case for overlabeling. When you ended up pulling them off again, the underlying labels were totally fine? It sounds like that was also a non issue?

Correct. Never an issue. I’ve bought and sold many chips that were once over labels. Ironically, the over label actually prevents the original inlay from getting scrape marks if there’s a shuffler.

 

[Jers28]

 

[ninjajim4]

Thanks for helping me decide PCFers

 

[MeridianFC]

No

 

[XBobdog]

I changed my vote from No to Yes. My absolute favorite chips are ones that i have altered. They become yours. No one will value them as much as you do.

Also, these are Le Noirs. Mass produced, non-casino....How rare are they?