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GB Completed Custom Cut Card Group Buy - Jan 2025 (29 Viewers)
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mikelphone
High Hand
I got my order!
Missing 2 of the Nick Papagiorgio's and 3 of the @DrunkleWade poker rules cards.
This was my first array into cut cards, so I didn't know what to get.
Missing 2 of the Nick Papagiorgio's and 3 of the @DrunkleWade poker rules cards.
This was my first array into cut cards, so I didn't know what to get.
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Mandos
3 of a Kind
Opened my order today. Ordered 12 cards, received 11:
- missing 1 drunkleWage rules card (I'm assuming this never got made based on the number of comments missing this one)
- missing 1 big lebowski dude abides/license (got 1 double sided dude abides, whereas ordered 2 dude/license. I assume the license one didn't get made.)
- a Bond card I didn't order was substituted for another that was missing (eh, whatever)
- alignment issues on the CDI cards, no surprise there after reading the thread
- 1 extra Nick Pappagiorgio license that I didn't order and don't need (if someone is missing one and needs it, hmu)
All year long …
Upon opening packages …
Upon opening packages …
Yeah, I was disappointed too that the double sided Lebowski was not made. Really wanted the hilarious license on one side, especially after spending a good amount of time working on it to look good for printing. I have a spare Dude Abides I can send you so you can have a pair for your friend’s gift. Just DM me your address and will mail it to you.
OP
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Okku
4 of a Kind
This is the last update I received yesterday after a few days of not getting any answers:
"Good morning Oscar,
Thank you for your email. I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. I was out of the office unexpectedly M-W, but I’m back, catching up.
I am going to get with our Graphics Manager on Monday and go over the issues at hand. He is out today, but back on Monday.
We spent many hours working on the artwork for proofing as well as printing and reprinting cards.
Let’s touch base Monday and I’ll have a more of a clear answer regarding some of the issues."
"Good morning Oscar,
Thank you for your email. I apologize for the delay in getting back to you. I was out of the office unexpectedly M-W, but I’m back, catching up.
I am going to get with our Graphics Manager on Monday and go over the issues at hand. He is out today, but back on Monday.
We spent many hours working on the artwork for proofing as well as printing and reprinting cards.
Let’s touch base Monday and I’ll have a more of a clear answer regarding some of the issues."
I was expecting an update after your contact spoke with the graphics manager on Monday and then touched base with you.
For what its worth I would say everyone should just accept that they got what they got and that's the end of it. It's been a year and it's time to move on. There was plenty of time for the refund period.
The vendor will likely not fix it. Oscar can't do anything about that either. And complaining is just complaining. Would be best for everyone just to move on.
I would not let bad cut cards sit rent free in my head and make me unhappy, best to cut the loss and move forward.
The vendor will likely not fix it. Oscar can't do anything about that either. And complaining is just complaining. Would be best for everyone just to move on.
I would not let bad cut cards sit rent free in my head and make me unhappy, best to cut the loss and move forward.
I am fully prepared to cut my losses and move on from this particular group buy. But I'd still be interested in having my custom design cut card made properly by a different merchant if that is at all possible.
Does anyone know of a vendor who does a better job producing cut cards than these Plastic Printers jokers? I mean with all of the wonderful vendors associated with PCF, and all of the many thousands of PCF members across the globe, I have to assume that someone knows a reputable company that can produce cut cards that are at least properly centered and don't look like a drunkard made them. I'm not looking to spend megabucks on this, of course, but I'd absolutely be willing to spend more per cut card than what we paid during this group buy... as long as I am assured that the quality will be solid. Anyone know of another vendor I can approach? Or is Plastic Printers and their shoddy work somehow really the end-all be-all when it comes to this stuff? Thanks in advance.
Does anyone know of a vendor who does a better job producing cut cards than these Plastic Printers jokers? I mean with all of the wonderful vendors associated with PCF, and all of the many thousands of PCF members across the globe, I have to assume that someone knows a reputable company that can produce cut cards that are at least properly centered and don't look like a drunkard made them. I'm not looking to spend megabucks on this, of course, but I'd absolutely be willing to spend more per cut card than what we paid during this group buy... as long as I am assured that the quality will be solid. Anyone know of another vendor I can approach? Or is Plastic Printers and their shoddy work somehow really the end-all be-all when it comes to this stuff? Thanks in advance.
BaroneSanitation
Two Pair
Same - I am still looking to get the custom designs that didn’t get made for some reason along with @DrunkleWade ’s hand ranking/etiquette cards.
Sorry, bad take. I'm not quite ready yet to lube up and bend over. This was an absolute disaster, and now that I have my cards in hand, I am far less willing to totally blame Oscar. What was done with my cards was much more than just an alignment issue, or bad cutting. I asked another more experienced designer to look at the .ai files I submitted, and the image was clearly doctored with prior to being printed. I don't see any reason why Oscar would have done that. And same with the misalignment and cutting problems. The vast majority of blame for these bad cards lies with the printer. I can't imagine a reputable business wanting this to remain as their legacy. I think with a little more follow up on Oscar's part, we should all expect at least a partial refund for our poorly produced cards.
@TheOffalo
I might want to order new cards as well. But I ordered far more then necessary in this GB, they are still stuck in Denmark* and I haven’t been able to see the end result yet, so I need to either get a photo or have them in hand before deciding.
*Okku put in Denmark as end destination by mistake, neither USPS or local post service is willing to talk to me since I am only the recipient, and Okku went radio silence a week ago. I do hope he gets them to ship it all the way rather than USPS sending it back to US
*Okku put in Denmark as end destination by mistake, neither USPS or local post service is willing to talk to me since I am only the recipient, and Okku went radio silence a week ago. I do hope he gets them to ship it all the way rather than USPS sending it back to US
My order arrived last week while I was away, just got around to opening it up. My bridge cut cards have the similar mis-alignment issue as others, but it didn't cut off any design elements, so I'm good on my end. Quantities were close enough for government work. Thanks.
I've been using an overseas vendor, Aura Print, for some smaller GBs (100-200 cut cards) that I ran last year. I would have gone with Plastic Printers because I do like their products (when they print them right), but their prices for smaller quantities were way out of the price range I wanted to pay for them or charge to others.
For example, this was what PP quoted me for 200-250 cut cards last year:
That's just for a single design/size. Add on setup fees for multiple designs, and and the price would have ballooned up to $4+ per card for 200 (or $3+ per card for 250).
There's a reason why past GBs were 500-1000 cards with a smaller # of designs overall. The pricing doesn't come down until you hit those quantities.
I looked at a lot of vendors, trying to find a shop that would do custom sizes (most only do standard business card sizes, or a list of fixed sizing that are not cut card sizes) in 100% plastic, and could accommodate smaller quantities. Most required large MOQs, like 250-500. For example, the one @mugenpowr linked to has a minimum of 250 for 30 mil plastic cards, which is a bit too thick. For a thinner 24 mil plastic, the MOQ is 5000!
As have been mentioned, there will always be some inconsistency in these kind of products, when printing have to line up on both sides, and the cutting is done separately. Unless it's a product that requires extremely narrow tolerances (in our world, I'd imagine it's playing card backs, since uncentered cuts could result in "marked" cards), we just have to accept that we won't get a dead-centered product. Even with the GBs I ran last year, I saw some shifting...
For example, for the Faro Dunes cut cards, I did not catch that the cut line in digital proof was slightly off-center, but by only 0.16mm (and that could just be due to the resolution of the image file). But the cut cards ended up being 1.24mm off center:
Edit: Actually, the 1.24mm difference between the two edge distances would actually be 0.62mm (half) off-centered.
It was noticeable to me as I scrutinized the cards that I received, but most people didn't really notice it unless I called attention to it. I did ask about the offset, and the response I got was that movement was inevitable, but that up to ~1mm was acceptable within the industry. At least my designs did not feature any elements near the edges, like a printed border, that would have called more attention to any off-centered cuts.
(And the above was the worst possible example. Depending on quantities ordered and the production equipment capacity, chances are a run of cut cards will require multiple larger sheets to be made and cut, so you'll get better/worse results within an order.)
As I mentioned, I do like Plastic Printer's products when they're done right. They are 100% plastic, more flexible, and fully waterproof, vs. PVC-encased cardstock that feels stiffer at similar thickness and is water resistant but not waterproof along the edges. I did run into a few production issues, which were all eventually been made right. The real advantange is that I can place smaller quantity orders while still keeping costs/pricing down, when compared to Plastic Printers.
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ChipMonster
Straight
Received my cut cards finally. Dog damage impacted many of the cards but mainly the ones on the outsides. There were small teeth crimp marks on edges of a lot but I flattened out as much as possible with my fingernail and while they don’t look great when all stacked together, when it is a solo cut card it’s not too perceptible. All in I threw away 5 out of 50 cards.
As for border, yes I had skewing issues but only on a single side which is weird to me that they could align one side but not the other.
I’m also not a fan of the flipped design front to back but oh well.
I’m still moving forward with Barrie’s group buy and am doing a quick cleanup of my design so it is borderless and adding some background elements to make any shifts more imperceptible (hopefully).
I’m not posting pics because these cards are for my incoming CPC set (ordered December 2024 and still no end in sight for production
)
As for border, yes I had skewing issues but only on a single side which is weird to me that they could align one side but not the other.
I’m also not a fan of the flipped design front to back but oh well.
I’m still moving forward with Barrie’s group buy and am doing a quick cleanup of my design so it is borderless and adding some background elements to make any shifts more imperceptible (hopefully).
I’m not posting pics because these cards are for my incoming CPC set (ordered December 2024 and still no end in sight for production
)
They are printed on each side before cutting. If the printed artwork on both sides do not line up with each other well, then whichever side is the "reference" for the cutting step would probably be more centered, which would necessarily result in the artwork on the opposite side being skewed.
I saw reference to dog bites a few times now but dont know the origin. Can someone tell me how multiple orders have punctures from dog bites lol
Not sure those were dog bites, sumbody was probably going cray cray near the end
ChipMonster
Straight
As far as I know it was just mine, dog had gotten ahold of my package. To be completely fair Okku offered to fully refund/replace but I’m just happy to put a close on this group buy at this point.
I was expecting an update at least by Tuesday after your contact spoke with the graphics manager on Monday and then touched base with you.
JMC9389
Royal Flush
Appreciate Okku, but half my cards went straight from package to the trash can due to egregious centering issues. Ah well, sucks but we learn.
Someone let me know when we find a printer with good tolerancing/QC.
Someone let me know when we find a printer with good tolerancing/QC.
KevinPower5
Sitting Out
I’m not posting pics because these cards are for my incoming CPC set (ordered December 2024 and still no end in sight for production
Okku running that order too?
ChipMonster
Straight
Okku is president of plastic printers so he runs all of them one way or the otherOkku running that order too?
Pippa
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No, just flat out No. Infuriating.
Received my cards:
All cards ordered received (small order) without damage.
Alignment is off on 100% cards received, about 20% are what I would consider within tolerance and acceptable.
Good luck with your future endeavors but I wouldn't add this group buy to your resume.
paulkersey
3 of a Kind
Well... I wasn't sure if I should be paying the additional import fees, or to simply abandon them at the border based on everyone's feedback. But I'm glad I did and thankful for what I got. The border agent took a good long look at the paperwork and was so confused that it was from a year ago...
For the cards that mattered to me, they thankfully turned out great (Black Yak, Harrah's, Flamingo, Papageorgio), but I'm completely missing Mirage, Kensco game layouts, and @DrunkleWade 's hand ranking cards. If anyone ends up with extras of those, even if off-center, please let me know as I'd be interested.
Thank you Oscar for doing your best to try and manage this thing.
For the cards that mattered to me, they thankfully turned out great (Black Yak, Harrah's, Flamingo, Papageorgio), but I'm completely missing Mirage, Kensco game layouts, and @DrunkleWade 's hand ranking cards. If anyone ends up with extras of those, even if off-center, please let me know as I'd be interested.
Thank you Oscar for doing your best to try and manage this thing.
I was expecting an update at least by Wednesday after your contact spoke with the graphics manager on Monday and then touched base with you.
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