Milo013
Flush
You have me curious . . . skeptical, but curious.
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Did a blind "test" - Copag vs Modiano vs Fournier (also a question) (1 Viewer)
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You have me curious . . . skeptical, but curious.
If history is any indication, there will be a setup of these finding their way to my house. Along with a Piatnik (might as well get my money's worth out of shipping...).
Strike1st
Straight
Abs was supposed to be and...fin autocorrect.
I think his acetate are $25 shipped.
I think his acetate are $25 shipped.
the3rd
Pair
As per the OP question, I would say the non-WSOP design Fourniers would be every bit as good or better since most companies cut corners on promotional products.
Years ago I did a lot of dealing and bought just about everything. When it comes to shuffling and pitching, my go to setup was Dal Negro acetate. They handled so easily. Most players preferred the feel of the thicker Modiano, but shuffling 25-40 HPH wore out my thumb tips. I have medium sized hands and preferred bridge size.
If the formulas and manufacturing hasn't changed, my ranking for the best combo of feel, looks and durability with price in mind would be 1. Dal Negro (non acetate) 2. Fournier 3. Modiano. My money is no object list would include DN acetate and Pre-USPC Kem casino backs. Honorable mention goes to Gemaco Gem Pros for being damn near indestructible.
Years ago I did a lot of dealing and bought just about everything. When it comes to shuffling and pitching, my go to setup was Dal Negro acetate. They handled so easily. Most players preferred the feel of the thicker Modiano, but shuffling 25-40 HPH wore out my thumb tips. I have medium sized hands and preferred bridge size.
If the formulas and manufacturing hasn't changed, my ranking for the best combo of feel, looks and durability with price in mind would be 1. Dal Negro (non acetate) 2. Fournier 3. Modiano. My money is no object list would include DN acetate and Pre-USPC Kem casino backs. Honorable mention goes to Gemaco Gem Pros for being damn near indestructible.
Milo013
Flush
When you say Modiano in third, are you talking regular or PAs? You are right on about the Casino back pre-USPC Kems. Pure gold.
the3rd
Pair
Just regular Modiano. I didn't think acetates were worth the extra money since the difference was barely perceptible. The DN acetates are barely better than regular DN, but since they were already my favorite the acetates went to favorite +.
Andrew Marks
Two Pair
Funny I just ordered and received a bunch of Modiano PAs and everyone in my game thinks they are better than any of the regular Modianos (although I liked the older blackjack index Modianos which do not seem to be available any more) or Copags. To me, the regular Modiano's feel thicker than the PAs which feel thicker than the Copags. This puts them in a sweet spot for my game. I also look for "slidability" across my now 2 year old suited speed cloth, 9 foot table, especially from one end to the other since we do not use a dealer. The regular Modianos are the worst of the three for that. I would say the Copags and Modiano PAs are about tied in that category.
Mental Nomad
Full House
You also have to be careful when comparing a used to a new deck; if you compare the same brand deck, old and new, the new ones will have a lot more glide.
Milo013
Flush
That is because they are still "true" . . . after a couple of hours of use there will be an inherent, if imperceptible, bend to the card due to the shuffle. this has the effect of changing the airflow as the card is pitched along the baize.
Mental Nomad
Full House
Also, oils from skin and food coat the coatings, and then they polymerize. The result is a tackier finish.
With cleaning and use, the original finish will wear, too.
They just don't stay new.
Wils
Flush
Just bought some Fournier WSOP's and Modiano PA's to go alongside my Copags and awaiting some Piatniks. I like the feel of all of 'em if I'm going to be honest and I'm that much of an ignorant peasant that I can't really tell them apart in a blind test except that when riffle shuffling, the PA's have a perceptible resistance to the corners being turned up (it feels like they 'pop' up, if that makes sense).
Dealing with the copags and fourniers is a joy, not so much with the PA's - they tend to drag across the speed cloth where the others just glide, and seem much more susceptible to flipping over mid-flight.
The last game we played, we had a fair few misdeals and exposed cards and we just put it down to drink and dealing down the sides of an oval table, but practising today it became clear that the issue was with the cards - specifically the PA's. Well that's what I'm saying, anyway
The copags are the most "broken in" so I expect them to act differently, but the PA's and the Fourniers are the same age with the same useage, so maybe the PA's just need more time to settle down?
Waiting with interest to see what the Piatniks are like (Jumbo index bridge sized, as opposed to all my other cards which are poker sized). My plan is to alternate the decks every game so they all get equal usage and then see which last best/handle best, and use those as my go-to cards.
Dealing with the copags and fourniers is a joy, not so much with the PA's - they tend to drag across the speed cloth where the others just glide, and seem much more susceptible to flipping over mid-flight.
The last game we played, we had a fair few misdeals and exposed cards and we just put it down to drink and dealing down the sides of an oval table, but practising today it became clear that the issue was with the cards - specifically the PA's. Well that's what I'm saying, anyway
The copags are the most "broken in" so I expect them to act differently, but the PA's and the Fourniers are the same age with the same useage, so maybe the PA's just need more time to settle down?
Waiting with interest to see what the Piatniks are like (Jumbo index bridge sized, as opposed to all my other cards which are poker sized). My plan is to alternate the decks every game so they all get equal usage and then see which last best/handle best, and use those as my go-to cards.
SleepInPC
Pair
Where were you able to order them from?
Wils
Flush
www.naipeszaca.com
Although I've just looked now and they're out of stock. IIRC, they'd run out of red and only had a couple of blue left. This would have been Thursday last week.
You're making me worry now... hope this isn't going to turn out to be a case of, "we didnt update our site, we're all out but now we've got your money, we'll send your cards as soon as we get new stock in 2017". The site definitely said there were a couple still left...
As a side note, what do people think about the Bicycle Prestige cards?
Although I've just looked now and they're out of stock. IIRC, they'd run out of red and only had a couple of blue left. This would have been Thursday last week.
You're making me worry now... hope this isn't going to turn out to be a case of, "we didnt update our site, we're all out but now we've got your money, we'll send your cards as soon as we get new stock in 2017". The site definitely said there were a couple still left...
As a side note, what do people think about the Bicycle Prestige cards?
Mental Nomad
Full House
Still "slippery like new," otherwise mine play just fine.
Most of my jumbo decks have been bought by players who wanted then after playing. (I bought eight setups of poker jumbo.) price/performance ratio hard to beat.
Wils
Flush
I can't see any of my regulars ever wanting to buy anything. There seems to be an air of apathy to any new delight I bring to the table - but then I'm the chip lover, not them, and I'm hosting, not them. As long as I enjoy it etc etc
Which I guess is fine, horses for courses and all that.
Might have to move to the States where such things are more appreciated.
Which I guess is fine, horses for courses and all that.
Might have to move to the States where such things are more appreciated.
SleepInPC
Pair
I wouldn't worry. Someone else got it from there. I tried getting it from there too but they only had 1 deck available and I didn't want to pay so much shipping for a single deck.
Wils
Flush
Piatnik's arrived today. Initially very impressed, bridge size makes 'em easier to handle than poker size (though this is negligible really).
The pips and numbers are actually bigger on these than on the Modiano PA's, so they're actually easier to read from a distance than the larger cards, whilst taking up less real estate.
Will deal with them later on, but yeah. Maybe my favourite cards so far.
The pips and numbers are actually bigger on these than on the Modiano PA's, so they're actually easier to read from a distance than the larger cards, whilst taking up less real estate.
Will deal with them later on, but yeah. Maybe my favourite cards so far.
SleepInPC
Pair
Man I am really wanting to buy some Piatniks now.
Wils
Flush
Another thing, the Piatniks seem more vibrant colour-wise. The central coloured bit* is less cream and more orangey than the other decks I have, and the actual cards are whiter (dunno if it'll come out in the pic, but the Fournier WSOP's above, and the Modiano PA's below, both looked a little grey by comparison).
*Insert technical term here
*Insert technical term here
The payoff really starts to hit home once you hit the four-hour mark. So much less cumulative stress with bridge size cards over long periods of time.
Wils
Flush
I can easily believe that. I know all the differences are marginal - they're marginally easier to shuffle, they're marginally smaller etc etc, but all those slight differences added up make a big difference cumulatively. This was a real "road to Damascus" experience for me as I'd always written off Bridge sized cards before (why would anyone want them? They're SMALLER than regular cards!), but going from the Piatniks back to the poker-sized cards it was like, "damn these other cards are ungainly."
Now to convince my regulars ("why have you got BRIDGE size cards for a POKER game?")...
Wils
Flush
Grrrr..... the reason for the Modiano PA's not dealing very well has become clear... They're horribly bowed, straight out of the box. I can't imagine it's normal. Hence they "scud" acrosz the cloth when they're dealt and always run the risk of flipping face up.
Although if I turn them face up and deal them, they glide for miles!
Anyway, pretty pissed off with these cards - did I just get a bad batch? None of my Copags, fourniers or Piatniks (or cheap cards) are like this.
Is there nothing I can do to rectify it? Check out the pix, top card face up, others face down etc
Although if I turn them face up and deal them, they glide for miles!
Anyway, pretty pissed off with these cards - did I just get a bad batch? None of my Copags, fourniers or Piatniks (or cheap cards) are like this.
Is there nothing I can do to rectify it? Check out the pix, top card face up, others face down etc
Andrew Marks
Two Pair
If I were you I'd contact the vendor and see what could be done. I had this happen to me a long time ago when I bought some Gemaco cards that were all bowed out of the cellophane. Vendor said they must have been exposed to too much heat in the warehouse and shipped replacements without even asking for the original ones returned. Depends on the vendor I guess, but worth a try.
Wils
Flush
Thanks for that, I'll give it a go.
Had anyone else had this bowed card issue?
Had anyone else had this bowed card issue?
Psypher1000
Straight Flush
Not with Modiano PA's, but with older Kem's, yes. Or any plastic deck exposed to heat to long, really. It's a problem out here in AZ. If a setup can warp on its way from the post office to your door during our summers.
Wils
Flush
May just be unlucky then - can't see it being hot enough around here to bow cards! Speaking to the vendor, initial reaction is positive.
For #2, you referring to these?
https://www.amazon.com/Da-Vinci-Ita...=8-1-fkmr3&keywords=Modiano+Club+Bridge+Jumbo
And for #1, I was thinking about getting these (are the comparable?)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001C7AQPO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATRF7LSPTVS3B
Nice review TY.
OP
OP
#2 I honestly don't know if Da Vinci's are the same as Modiano's but the Modiano's do have that back. I bought my Modiano's straight from Modiano
#1 I asked the same question and was told that those Fournier's are the same/comparable to the WSOP ones so yeah those should be fine.
There are also a new brand of cards called Guild offered by a new vendor on PCF and they are my new favorite. They just came out and are offered on Amazon. I got 2 setups of the bridge size and absolutely love them. They seem like a mix between the Modiano's and the Fournier's. I will post links in a bit.
You talking about these?
https://www.amazon.com/Guild-Arrow-...1467816199&sr=8-2&keywords=guild+cards+bridge
OP
OP
Yeah those. Sorry, forgot to come back to this.
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