Canceled Horseshoe Cleveland $500 - (FRAUD ALERT) (11 Viewers)

180 all $500 shipped.
rack $350 shipped
80 $250 shipped.
Payment: Zelle, CashApp

They are in good condition.

It is sent without any problem. An extra fee is charged for shipping abroad.

 

[Tommy]

@Tommy what about locking accounts for a for a period of time after a certain number of failed login attempts? I’m not sure if this is in place because I haven’t tried entering my password incorrectly over and over again.

It's built into the software.

If a user fails to log in 4 or more times in a 15 minute period, this method will be used to prevent brute force attacks. (lockout)

 

[Don Clay]

Sorry to read this @Nanook.

 

[Nanook]

I say look at the feedbacks of the seller and write to one of the people who sent feedback to confirm payment address. It s simple and definitely something we can do as a community.

It would be great if it were this easy. He hacked the account so the real owner of the PCF acct is not the scammer and of course what ever chips the real owner of the PCF acct would not have the same physical address as the scammer.

 

[JMC9389]

Possibly but then again, you’ve got some savvy photoshop users out there. Maybe Fokker is actually @JeepologyOffroad gone rogue. Went off the deep end and wants to wreck the whole place now lol

Can't be. He'd post his own pictures and photoshop the background to his awesome table.

 

[Samoth311]

I just did the same

Yep, just enabled 2FA. It's a pain but I don't want my account used to defraud others. Sad times.

 

[horseshoez]

Can't be. He'd post his own pictures and photoshop the background to his awesome table.

I’m gonna buy that table some day. I’m still looking for it!!! I saw a smaller side table version at my cousin’s house in Houston. Need the full blown coffee table!

 

[Rhodeman77]

I almost thought https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/new-china-club-cards-mold-cash-set-1-000-ct-350.83807/ might be a scam. The price is great but not necessarily too good to be true but what made me suspicious was the non-standard $1, which matched this listing: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/cards-mold-new-china-club-cash-set-1-000-ct.83423/

Then I thought it’s more likely the OP from today’s NCC sale was the buyer in the previous sale. $300 + $50 shipping in the old listing lines up w/the new listing’s selling for cost. But since the old listing didn’t have a public “winner” there’s still a tiny bit of doubt. Not to cast aspersions on today’s OP.

It would be next level sophistication if a scammer set up a chain of “legit” looking sales to then scam the last person in the chain. I think I’m getting too paranoid!

He gladly accepted PPG&S. So I felt comfortable buying. He also took a lot of pics and provided tracking as he dropped it off. Straight up in my book.

 

[TheOffalo]

He gladly accepted PPG&S. So I felt comfortable buying. He also took a lot of pics and provided tracking as he dropped it off. Straight up in my book.

Definitely not throwing shade on that seller. Occam’s Razor means it’s most likely the seller was the buyer of the previous listing. PPG&S an added assurance. Like I said, just extra paranoid these days w/what happened here and in other recent scams.

 

[Raphmivey]

It would be great if it were this easy. He hacked the account so the real owner of the PCF acct is not the scammer and of course what ever chips the real owner of the PCF acct would not have the same physical address as the scammer.

I mean someone else who purchased chip from that account made a payment to paypal adress X. When the scammer wants to get paid he/she will not give paypal address X, it will be another paypal address. So you asked a previous buyer where he/she sent money and compare this address to the one provided hy the seller. It should match. It wont when it is a scam.

 

[Tommy]

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[ArielVer18]

Just an idea. Write your username, the word "pokerchipforum," and a date no older than 14 days from the time of posting onto a piece of paper. Crumple it up into a ball, then flatten it out. Place the piece of paper partially underneath or next to the item(s) on sale. How much harder is this to photoshop?

 

[BigSlick4523]

The amount of money changing hands and how fast we stumble over each other to buy chips in the classifieds creates this heaven for the scammers. No more selling chips!

just got to be smart about it I got scammed years back even through stuff with paypal always and always when using paypal make sure the buyer's address is confirmed if it an unconfirmed address do not accept payment that got me for about 2k back in 2006 also never send to a different address obvs only send to the confirmed address that goes without saying but just sayin lol

 

[BigSlick4523]

Just an idea. Write your username, the word "pokerchipforum," and a date no older than 14 days from the time of posting onto a piece of paper. Crumple it up into a ball, then flatten it out. Place the piece of paper partially underneath or next to the item(s) on sale. How much harder is this to photoshop?

also if you request photos from someone tell them a random # or something to put on the piece of paper as well so you know they just took the photos

 

[sheikh617]

Anything that leads with Zelle is a huge red flag as I work in banking and we preach to our clients to not use Zelle for purchases with strangers/online. It never ends well. I hope you get your money back, Zelle claims are incredibly low to be refunded.

 

[shorticus]

Everyone should have their methods of sharing their way of making their transactions secure, but posting them publicly only allows scammers who are actively viewing an opportunity to prepare and take advantage.

 

[Rhodeman77]

@Tommy can you require members to have the 2 step verification on their account to be able to use the classified’s section at all?

 

[TricycleClub]

This sucks! I can’t help but think though, the profile pic was a dead give away!

 

[TheOffalo]

This sucks! I can’t help but think though, the profile pic was a dead give away!

But it was a legit account that was hacked.

 

[FestiveKnight]

It actually surprised me that this community is so reliant on F&F. There’s a lot of other forums I’ve participated in that we’re strictly G&S or at least for the first two months. At this point with the money we all throw around on chips, what’s 3% more?

I’ve also participated places with an intense verification process. A few posts and 10 days or whatever doesn’t really do that much.

On one cigar/whiskey/etc forum I used to be very active on new members had to complete a trade (not sale) to an active verified member before verified. The new user had to ship first and the verified member only sent back after they received goods.

The goods traded and the process were shared publicly in threads so everyone could follow along.

Even that wouldn’t stop the most dedicated scammer but it would seriously slow them down and would give a much more visible period during which they’re under scrutiny

 

[BigSlick4523]

It actually surprised me that this community is so reliant on F&F. There’s a lot of other forums I’ve participated in that we’re strictly G&S or at least for the first two months. At this point with the money we all throw around on chips, what’s 3% more?

I’ve also participated places with an intense verification process. A few posts and 10 days or whatever doesn’t really do that much.

On one cigar/whiskey/etc forum I used to be very active on new members had to complete a trade (not sale) to an active verified member before verified. The new user had to ship first and the verified member only sent back after they received goods.

The goods traded and the process were shared publicly in threads so everyone could follow along.

Even that wouldn’t stop the most dedicated scammer but it would seriously slow them down and would give a much more visible period during which they’re under scrutiny

I wanna say it's closer to 4% but I hear you but with as many transactions as some people do on here that adds up but again I still here you

 

[ArielVer18]

Anything that leads with Zelle is a huge red flag as I work in banking and we preach to our clients to not use Zelle for purchases with strangers/online. It never ends well. I hope you get your money back, Zelle claims are incredibly low to be refunded.

You can say the same thing about PaypalFF, cashapp, venmo, or any kind of instantaneous money transfer that weren't designed for buyer/seller transactions

 

[Rakrul]

Did the previous scam victims contact the police in Netherlands to file a report or not? If not, he's walking on water now and won't stop.

 

[horseshoez]

Personally I think the solution is simple. Goods and Services. Add the fee on the tab or just pay it on the seller’s end. If the transaction is between parties that don’t know each other, almost a no brainer. Don’t want to do it that way or seller doesn’t feel comfortable? Pay with your credit card and if it goes to shit, just dispute the charge or use the built in purchase protection (assuming that card offers it).

 

[horseshoez]

Did the previous scam victims contact the police in Netherlands to file a report or not? If not, he's walking on water now and won't stop.

Not sure. Don’t think this is him based on what Tommy shared. He did sort of open the gate for others to start dicking around again.

 

[BigSlick4523]

Did the previous scam victims contact the police in Netherlands to file a report or not? If not, he's walking on water now and won't stop.

its way easier said than done trying to catch these people when it happened to me back in the day I went to my local police department they looked at me like wtf is this kid thinking lol it was a mess

 

[Nanook]

It actually surprised me that this community is so reliant on F&F. There’s a lot of other forums I’ve participated in that we’re strictly G&S or at least for the first two months. At this point with the money we all throw around on chips, what’s 3% more?

I’ve also participated places with an intense verification process. A few posts and 10 days or whatever doesn’t really do that much.

On one cigar/whiskey/etc forum I used to be very active on new members had to complete a trade (not sale) to an active verified member before verified. The new user had to ship first and the verified member only sent back after they received goods.......

I think you are kind of missing it a bit....

The member was NOT new. He had been active since some time in 2019 & had a decent amount of positive feedback. Just by that info alone there wasn't any reason to be wary. I had checked all of that.....

He hacked a real PCF member that had been around for quite a long time and was posting from that account.

Making new members go through more scrutiny would not have stopped this. Increased security on some level (either better passwords or something on the website level) would be the only thing that would have stopped it.

 

[Organista1]

This is f*cked up really makes it hard to trust now. Feel bad for @Nanook hope it works out.

 

[JP1984]

Personally I think the solution is simple. Goods and Services. Add the fee on the tab or just pay it on the seller’s end. If the transaction is between parties that don’t know each other, almost a no brainer. Don’t want to do it that way or seller doesn’t feel comfortable? Pay with your credit card and if it goes to shit, just dispute the charge or use the built in purchase protection (assuming that card offers it).

I've not used it before. What protection does the seller have if someone buys via G&S then claims chips never arrive? Is it not possible that Poppin would actually then get his hands on chips for free? My understanding is that PayPal don't release the money to the seller until the goods are marked as delivered, is that right?

 

[Rbonus012]

Unbelievable.

 

[sheikh617]

You can say the same thing about PaypalFF, cashapp, venmo, or any kind of instantaneous money transfer that weren't designed for buyer/seller transactions

Yeah I agree but the precedent on this forum is PayPal and then either G&S or F&F depending on relationships. No one uses Zelle, it’s the biggest red flag.