Cash Game Would I have enough chips? (1 Viewer)

[wickedwonka121]

It will work, just not very effective.

Just about as effective as a 3 legged horse

I always use 100/200/200/80/20 set breakdown to cover 25/25 to 50/$1 stake

I'm taking this breakdown to a cash game this weekend. I expect about 8 players. Should be good. Also I'm using $20 not $25.

I believe they want to play .50/1. So not a lot of fracs will make it into the pot. Most will be folded small blinds. 100 should be good. I think the average buyin will be about $60. I'm expecting maybe 1 rebuy per player. All engineers, so maff is on point!!!! Lol

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[upNdown]

People buy in on average 140 BB

I can’t speak to the other stakes, but I’ve hosted a bunch of .25/.50 and here’s what I think about those stakes.
100 fracs is fine. 120 might be nice if you have 8 players.
For $1s, I want 20 per player. No more, no less.
I’ve tried hosting with only about a rack of $5s with a couple of different sets and I find it uncomfortable. It can be done, but personally I need a minimum of two racks of $5s at these stakes, and preferably three racks.
Then whatever combination of $25s and $100s that make you feel good. If you’re trying to be economical, two to three barrels of $25s is more than enough before moving on to $100s.

 

[merkong]

My .02

We play .25/.25 $25 initials with its of rebuys and add on to the big stack.

400 chip sets are my norm ATM.

100 fracs (nondenominational for flexibility)
200 $1
80 $5
20 $20

Sometimes there’s a little tweak but 400 chips.

Done.

 

[wickedwonka121]

My .02

We play .25/.25 $25 initials with its of rebuys and add on to the big stack.

400 chip sets are my norm ATM.

100 fracs (nondenominational for flexibility)
200 $1
80 $5
20 $20

Sometimes there’s a little tweak but 400 chips.

Done.
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How many players?

 

[merkong]

How many players?

Up to 10.

We usually fill

 

[merkong]

I have a couple of cash sets with more than one rack of fracs but once I started spreading only one rack people keep the change making going.

 

[Taghkanic]

Chips effectively last forever in home games. You’re going to want to upgrade/switch to something different before they ever wear out.

That makes the upfront cost of adding extra chips very small or even zero. Some back of the envelope calculations show why:

Say you spend $1,500 on a set. You use it for only five years. And you host only 20 games per year.

When you sell them, let’s say you take a loss (unusual here) and sell it for $1,000. Net -$500.

100 games in five years: the net cost of the set is $500 = a cost of $5 per game to host. If your average game stakes is .50/$1, you are out 5BB per game. Doable.

Now say instead you spend $2,000 for a 1/3rd larger set. The larger set is more playable, and thus easier to sell, so you get $1,500 back. That again means you have a net $500 cost spread over 5 years. Your cost per game for 100 games is identical still = $5 per session.

So the added chips are effectively free.

The costs are much less per game if you host more often, obviously. If you host weekly, 50 games per year, it’s $2/game. Less than the cost of a soda at the convenience store.

Plus, if the set is choice enough to retain or even increase its value, it’s a free or maybe even profitable rental.

I’d argue therefore that there is little or zero downside to filling out a set, up to a point, rather than making it as lean as possible. The bigger set also has room to grow in stakes, and you’re never having to strain to make even starting stacks or make change. It’s just much more luxurious and convenient.

If you buy a smaller, low-quality set the apparent up front cost will be much lower, but you may not be able to sell it for more than 5-10% of that cost, if at all. There isn’t much of a resale market for injection molds and things seem only a bit better for China clays. (I have zero experience with ceramics.)

This is also part of why I decided to stop cheaping out on entry-level sets, moving up to THC solids before finally assembling some larger, higher-quality sets… besides the fact that larger sets of nicer chips just satisfy me more.

The solids have mostly retained their value, but the minty RHCs and spotted THCs only seem to keep increasing in value even though I’m using them. So either my “rental” generates a profit, or I keep these sets forever and the per game price just keeps dropping lower and lower.

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Alternative analysis: You use your set for 40 years and then, well, you die. R.I.P. you!

$1,500 set / 800 games = $1.88 per game. $2,000 / 800 games = $2.50 per game. A less than 75¢ per game difference.

In 40 years today’s 75¢ may be worth 25¢ at best, after inflation/cost of living increases, if we’re lucky. The longer you live and keep hosting, the smaller the marginal added cost.

A small cheapo set goes into a yard sale and nets your heirs $5 or goes in the dumpster. A larger, better quality set goes for sale on a site like this, eBay or an auction house and nets them hundreds or thousands.

See, I can always rationalize buying MOAR & BETTAH chips…

 

[rjbf65]

I haven't even gotten my $5 chips in play yet. I'm still happy to have the $100s. The fear of running out of chips shouldn't be something a host should worry about.

What stakes do you guys play? A normal night for us might get 2 to 3 barrels of $5 chips in play.

 

[springbox]

What stakes do you guys play? A normal night for us might get 2 to 3 barrels of $5 chips in play.

My $5s never see play, but we play .05/.10 with a $20 cap... Most people buy-in for $10 so we'd need 20 buy ins before exhausting the $1s. I'd think at anything .25/.25 and above you'd expect $5s to end up in play.

 

[JustinInMN]

My $5s never see play, but we play .05/.10 with a $20 cap... Most people buy-in for $10 so we'd need 20 buy ins before exhausting the $1s. I'd think at anything .25/.25 and above you'd expect $5s to end up in play.

This is a bit of pcf sacrilege, but I am going to say it.

If the normal buy in for your game is less than. $100, then fives are overrated, you should probably be dealing mostly in singles and a few fives.

 

[springbox]

This is a bit of pcf sacrilege, but I am going to say it.

If the normal buy in for your game is less than. $100, then fives are overrated, you should probably be dealing mostly in singles and a few fives.

I'll agree lol. I know people love huge stacks, and if you've got the budget more power to you, it's fun to have tall stacks. I just find the new player advice often suggests more of certain chips than are really needed for a player on a budget. I think any game can be played with 20~30 of a given variety per player, from an efficiency standpoint.

 

[GetUrShineBox]

Having less than 60 chips in front of me and i feel naked. But poker is poker, there is no wrong answer.

 

[warma]

Having less than 60 chips in front of me and i feel naked. But poker is poker, there is no wrong answer.

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[upNdown]

I'll agree lol. I know people love huge stacks, and if you've got the budget more power to you, it's fun to have tall stacks. I just find the new player advice often suggests more of certain chips than are really needed for a player on a budget. I think any game can be played with 20~30 of a given variety per player, from an efficiency standpoint.

From an efficiency standpoint, 20 per player of each chip is plenty!

If the normal buy in for your game is less than. $100, then fives are overrated, you should probably be dealing mostly in singles and a few fives.

But this would require a whole lot more than 20 x $1 chips per player.

If you want big stacks, sure, give everybody 65 x $1 and some fracs. (That’s five racks of $1s for an 8-handed table. For a big bet game, please shoot me.)

I happen to like $5s, like a lot of people here. But I only have 3 racks of them, then I’m happy to move on to $20s.

But given one extreme or the other, I’ll stick to this:

I think any game can be played with 20~30 of a given variety per player

 

[SteveEH]

This is a bit of pcf sacrilege, but I am going to say it.

If the normal buy in for your game is less than. $100, then fives are overrated, you should probably be dealing mostly in singles and a few fives.

My second custom set I got a extra barrel of 5s "just in case" we play .25/.50. Now I'm all: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/upcoming-molds.34416/page-128#post-2259583

 

[warma]

My second custom set I got an extra barrel of 5s "just in case" we play .25/.50. Now I'm all: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/upcoming-molds.34416/page-128#post-2259583

What’s your intended breakdown? Can you remind us what your buy-in is and how the game plays?

 

[Seeking Alpha Social Club]

The games 0.25/0.25, 0.25/0.50 and 0.50/1.00

Mostley 8 players very seldom that we have more than 4 Rebuys (tight money scared group )

Chips:

0.25x 100
1.00x 150
5.00x 150
25.00x 40
100.00x 20
500.00x 10

What do you think?

I think you'll be light on the .50/1 game. Here's what I bank for a similar 8 person game.

.25 x 100
$1 x 200
$5 x 200
$25 x 80
$100 x 20

If your .50/1 game plays more like a $1/$2 or occasionally like a $2/$5, you will probably need another rack of $5s.

 

[SteveEH]

What’s your intended breakdown? Can you remind us what your buy-in is and how the game plays?

The set was designed for my high school friends. Other than one of them, they don't gamble/study poker so it's mostly a passive game. It will cover 3 x 97 BB buy ins for .25/.50 and 6 players, but .25/.50 has only happened once and lately it has been .25-5 spread and 1/2 fixed limit. If we play no limit it will be .25/.25. at these stakes, the probability of someone needing more than $80 on a given night is very low.

 

[JustinInMN]

But this would require a whole lot more than 20 x $1 chips per player.

If you want big stacks, sure, give everybody 65 x $1 and some fracs. (That’s five racks of $1s for an 8-handed table. For a big bet game, please shoot me.)

Exactly. I tend to do 2 barrels of singles per player for my 60 max game. It's really no different than doing two barrels of fives for a 200 max game which is super common. Rebuys I tend to do in a ll fives, but that's 12 chips per player. Would rarely get through a full rack in rebuys.

And no, I won't shoot you .