Interested!!!
Why do I want plaques so much? (5 Viewers)
- Thread starter coolguy101
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I think that's a federal crime.
for sure, 5 denom set, top 2 denoms as plaques.Oh, I'm gonna overdo it, and nobody is going to stop me!
If you follow that normal say 120/120/60/60/40 you are talking about 60 chips and 100 plaques in play at the end... that's not crazy... right? RIGHT?!
And I know you are going WAY deeper than that.
Well, it will really be 200/200/340/60/30, with 60 extra T100K for colour-up, and 50 extra 1MM for rebuys, just like the movie.
So, 400 chips and 90 plaques in play at the end, excluding rebuys.
Of course, there will be sample sets/plaques for whoever wants them.
JScott
Flush
I caught another (serious) error in the Casino Royale final table scene. Le Chiffre re-raises speaking "12 million" when he *clearly* only pushes forward 8 million in chips (2 barrels of $100K and 4 plaques of $1MM).
First Rule of poker chip collecting
Love what you love! Make no excuses. You Love Plaques! Shout it off the roof top!
And why cant you use plaques in craps? If you want to use em then damn well use em!
Make them the high value chip people have to work for. Make them the star of the show!
Life is short and there are some fantastic Plaque makers out there.
lastly
All my regrets are about things i DID NOT do Not the things i did.
Embrace the Madness, And love those damn plaques to death!
Love what you love! Make no excuses. You Love Plaques! Shout it off the roof top!
And why cant you use plaques in craps? If you want to use em then damn well use em!
Make them the high value chip people have to work for. Make them the star of the show!
Life is short and there are some fantastic Plaque makers out there.
lastly
All my regrets are about things i DID NOT do Not the things i did.
Embrace the Madness, And love those damn plaques to death!
(ehm... just to be clear as I see now that my last post might be misinterpreted - it was by no means anything rude or against Freddie whom I deeply respect, just a reference to one of his IMHO nicest songs)
See... it's kinda sane until the 50 extra 1MM for the rebuy, cause that's when you go from 90 plaques to 140 plaques.
DO IT DO IT DO IT!
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I used them once for a limit game, and it was awesome.
Not that I had any in my stack.
The important thing was it was a 3-quarter/6 quarter limit game, so the buy-in was uncapped - and someone said "Uncapped? I'll buy in for $1,000". So he got a rack of base chips (25c each), a few stacks of the Limit set's value chips ($5 each), and then a stack of plaques for ($100 each).
It was worth it.
Not that I had any in my stack.
The important thing was it was a 3-quarter/6 quarter limit game, so the buy-in was uncapped - and someone said "Uncapped? I'll buy in for $1,000". So he got a rack of base chips (25c each), a few stacks of the Limit set's value chips ($5 each), and then a stack of plaques for ($100 each).
It was worth it.
coolguy101
Two Pair
No, you just get cavities
Right dont forget to brush your plaques! top tip for the day!
I trolled some of the classifieds and eBay to scrounge up a bunch of different plaques and here's what I've been able to put together:
All of those plaques are plastic/acrylic except the one from sun-fly.
-The two on the left are from MSK and you can buy them off of Apache
-Top Center is a sample from Sun-Fly that I got from a vendor in the classifieds
-Bottom Center is a Abbiati plaque you can buy from a vendor off of eBay that sells different sizes/denoms of these plaques and other jetons(poker chip sized acrylic plaques) from a fantasy casino
-Presidential plaques from Matsui from a GB a few years back*
-Casino Royal from Matsui I found on eBay*
Price wise the Majestics were basically free as I got them really cheap as part of a 'newbie bomb' from a veteran. I believe depending on size they run form $8-10. The sunfly sample was ~$20 and I probably overpaid. The Abbiati the vendor sells for 25, don't know how much it would cost to have your own made by them. The Presedentials were $20 in the classifieds but I am pretty sure were about half that during the GB. The Casino Royal is normally on eBay for about $40.
The MSK and Abbiati plaques all have this lip around the edge:
The Matsui do not:
I am assuming that the lip is to help the plaques not stick to each other. You can get the Matsui to have a bit of a suction to each other pretty easily like some chips do. I for one prefer the completely flush finish but ymmv.
Something else with the finish is that the MSKs I have the plastic is a bit stippled or orange peeled. The Matsui plaques in contrast are very uniform. Not overly noticeable unless compared to the Abbiati or the Matsui and I wasn't able to really pick this up in picture format. May be a function of the plaques from MSK I happen to have and is really splitting hairs.
For completeness here is the Sun-Fly:
Rough like what you'd get from a ceramic chip from BR Poker but completely flat, no lip.
The sides are a bit interesting.
Matsui Sides:
MSK/Abbiati sides:
All of these plaques stood on their edges.
Matsui has this uniform very milky white middle piece. I don't know if this can be colored. I've seen one or two mentioned of their being some slip here where the face slips off the center kinda like an oreo or something. Apparently it can also be fixed with some heat but I don't have any details at all. Does look like the white is somewhat influenced but the color of the face by the light passing through the face and refracting in the white medium.
The Abbiati also has a white middle piece however it isn't milky, it's just white, no translucence to it. Again, don't know if this is something you can pick.
MSKs are a color with a white trim. This, according to some GBs seems to be selectable.
The sunfly edge is not square and it would not stand up on it's own and needed a bit of help. It is also smooth instead of textured, again like a ceramic chip. It does have a continuation of artwork on the side which is nice.
The weight difference for the Matsui/Abbiati/MSK are about the same, they are slightly different sizes so that accounts for that.
Now for completely subjective, I tapped the acrylic chips against things, each other, a table, a mat, the MSKs have a higher sound to me, the Abbiati and Matsui a lower.
Given the same cost I honestly prefer the Matsui over the MSK over the Abbiati however:
-MSK is the only plaque I see a lot of on the secondary market. Apache and others for instance only stock MSK plaques in quantity with different art.
-If you wanted something custom the story is Matsui has a much higher set up cost than MSK and Abbiati doesn't normally sell to individuals. Once the setup costs are complete the price per unit may be comparable(would love to get more info around this).
If someone who was part of the recent MSK GB for plaques would love to borrow some for a week and compare them.
* A note about the Presidential and the Casino Royal Plaques, both have an alternative that is in production from MSK and you can buy both of them from Apache today. The artwork for the Casino Royal is almost identical, the easiest to spot difference is the MSK version has Royal spelled Royale with an 'E' at the end, the Matsui does not. Be careful with these as I've seen a few eBay postings use the picture for the Matsui but are selling the MSK at the Matsui price. The art work for the Presidentials is different between the Matsui and MSK as are the colors. Less ambiguity here. The finish as well for both sets, the Matsuis are totally flush, the MSKs have the lip as mentioned above.
All of those plaques are plastic/acrylic except the one from sun-fly.
-The two on the left are from MSK and you can buy them off of Apache
-Top Center is a sample from Sun-Fly that I got from a vendor in the classifieds
-Bottom Center is a Abbiati plaque you can buy from a vendor off of eBay that sells different sizes/denoms of these plaques and other jetons(poker chip sized acrylic plaques) from a fantasy casino
-Presidential plaques from Matsui from a GB a few years back*
-Casino Royal from Matsui I found on eBay*
Price wise the Majestics were basically free as I got them really cheap as part of a 'newbie bomb' from a veteran. I believe depending on size they run form $8-10. The sunfly sample was ~$20 and I probably overpaid. The Abbiati the vendor sells for 25, don't know how much it would cost to have your own made by them. The Presedentials were $20 in the classifieds but I am pretty sure were about half that during the GB. The Casino Royal is normally on eBay for about $40.
The MSK and Abbiati plaques all have this lip around the edge:
The Matsui do not:
I am assuming that the lip is to help the plaques not stick to each other. You can get the Matsui to have a bit of a suction to each other pretty easily like some chips do. I for one prefer the completely flush finish but ymmv.
Something else with the finish is that the MSKs I have the plastic is a bit stippled or orange peeled. The Matsui plaques in contrast are very uniform. Not overly noticeable unless compared to the Abbiati or the Matsui and I wasn't able to really pick this up in picture format. May be a function of the plaques from MSK I happen to have and is really splitting hairs.
For completeness here is the Sun-Fly:
Rough like what you'd get from a ceramic chip from BR Poker but completely flat, no lip.
The sides are a bit interesting.
Matsui Sides:
MSK/Abbiati sides:
All of these plaques stood on their edges.
Matsui has this uniform very milky white middle piece. I don't know if this can be colored. I've seen one or two mentioned of their being some slip here where the face slips off the center kinda like an oreo or something. Apparently it can also be fixed with some heat but I don't have any details at all. Does look like the white is somewhat influenced but the color of the face by the light passing through the face and refracting in the white medium.
The Abbiati also has a white middle piece however it isn't milky, it's just white, no translucence to it. Again, don't know if this is something you can pick.
MSKs are a color with a white trim. This, according to some GBs seems to be selectable.
The sunfly edge is not square and it would not stand up on it's own and needed a bit of help. It is also smooth instead of textured, again like a ceramic chip. It does have a continuation of artwork on the side which is nice.
The weight difference for the Matsui/Abbiati/MSK are about the same, they are slightly different sizes so that accounts for that.
Now for completely subjective, I tapped the acrylic chips against things, each other, a table, a mat, the MSKs have a higher sound to me, the Abbiati and Matsui a lower.
Given the same cost I honestly prefer the Matsui over the MSK over the Abbiati however:
-MSK is the only plaque I see a lot of on the secondary market. Apache and others for instance only stock MSK plaques in quantity with different art.
-If you wanted something custom the story is Matsui has a much higher set up cost than MSK and Abbiati doesn't normally sell to individuals. Once the setup costs are complete the price per unit may be comparable(would love to get more info around this).
If someone who was part of the recent MSK GB for plaques would love to borrow some for a week and compare them.
* A note about the Presidential and the Casino Royal Plaques, both have an alternative that is in production from MSK and you can buy both of them from Apache today. The artwork for the Casino Royal is almost identical, the easiest to spot difference is the MSK version has Royal spelled Royale with an 'E' at the end, the Matsui does not. Be careful with these as I've seen a few eBay postings use the picture for the Matsui but are selling the MSK at the Matsui price. The art work for the Presidentials is different between the Matsui and MSK as are the colors. Less ambiguity here. The finish as well for both sets, the Matsuis are totally flush, the MSKs have the lip as mentioned above.
Abbiati does sell to individuals if you ask. Especially plaques, which have lower minimums.
As for the price per unit after setup costs, you're most definitely getting the lowest price with MSK, I believe I paid less than $8/plaque from them, including all the fees.
From Matsui, the setup cost is much higher, and the price per unit is slightly higher too.
Abbiati is the most expensive, even if you buy more than 500 plaques which is when there is no longer an added quantity fee. The bare minimum for Abbiati "Professional European Style" Plaques is $9/plaque, plus setup fees, plus any extra additives you get, like see-through lunettes, gold filament, tulle, RFID, or straight-up diamonds inside of the plaque. Add on the quantity fee, which can be as high as 500% added per plaque, and they can be in the tens of thousands of dollars per plaque.
Realistically though, it's not gonna be more than $50/plaque, assuming you buy more than the bare minimum and don't completely ball out with features.
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CrazyEddie
Full House
If I get diamonds inside my plaques, I'm not adding on RFID. I'm demanding LoJack transmitters!
Silver_Fiend
Flush
Thanks for the pics, I am designing a set with some cash plaques and seeing yours on the table gives me ideas in design.
Thanks for the additional information especially around Abbiati.Abbiati does sell to individuals if you ask. Especially plaques, which have lower minimums.
As for the price per unit after setup costs, you're most definitely getting the lowest price with MSK, I believe I paid less than $8/plaque from them, including all the fees.
From Matsui, the setup cost is much higher, and the price per unit is slightly higher too.
Abbiati is the most expensive, even if you buy more than 500 plaques which is when there is no longer an added quantity fee. The bare minimum for Abbiati "Professional European Style" Plaques is $9/plaque, plus setup fees, plus any extra additives you get, like see-through lunettes, gold filament, tulle, RFID, or straight-up diamonds inside of the plaque. Add on the quantity fee, which can be as high as 500% added per plaque, and they can be in the tens of thousands of dollars per plaque.
Realistically though, it's not gonna be more than $50/plaque, assuming you buy more than the bare minimum and don't completely ball out with features.
Do we think setup fees for Matsui and MSK are something we can share?
Natskule
3 of a Kind
I don't think MSK has a setup fee based on the invoice I got from them which just said "Unit Price" and shipping price, but Matsui has a $215 setup fee if I remember correctly. Not sure about Abbiati, but if it's the same as their decal setup price then it would be 175 Euros per design.
$215 is correct. Per denomination or for any difference in design.
Any idea if those setup fees are per plaque or for the entire set? So like in the Presidential set where the art is similar but not identical is it 215 each for the 20 and the 100. Or for the MSK set where the only difference is the denomination, is it still 215 each time.
Answered here, thanks!
They are per design printed, which includes having two different designs on two sides of the plaque, or just a denom change. I know Abbiati gives you a small discount if the inlay is just the same with a denom change, but for everyone else I believe it is still the full price, even with a minor change in design. For MSK, as I said, I don't think there is any setup fee.
Breakdown of our costs if anyone is curious. This did not include the J5 artwork fee. This was also the invoice that was sent to me. There was another invoice that had a significant amount of plaques on it. The total volume is not represented but needed to get the price down to $10.00 per plaque.
Interesting, the Matsui presidential plaques then would have had a $430 setup fee as they are different on each side.
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