Why are there no really nice chips currently in production?

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Hey guys I'm new around here so it's just a legit question and obviously subjective but when I look at all the chip porn threads and classifieds I see tons of beautiful chips. No disrespect to the vendors who are making chips but I don't see anything as porn chip worthy currently in production.. Is there a reason for that? Hopefully this doesn't offend anyone just an observation from a chip noob.
 

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Most all of the pron chips are either customs or casino used/mint. The only currently produced "home use" chips are either china clays or ceramics. Home use Paulsons are no longer in production... Paulson basically stopped selling to the home market several years ago. There are available standard product lines from CPC and/or specific vendors that resell CPC chips. These chips are regularly produced such that they are "on the shelf." Look in to Key West and Atlantic Club.
 

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As has already been stated, Paulson doesn't service the home market anymore. BCC closed down (was bought out) ages ago. And all that's left in the low-cost/mass-produced sector are china clays and ceramics.
  • CPC offers custom clay chips, but at a cost.
  • As @Shaggy noted, Key West and Atlantic Club by CPC is an option.
  • Also, don't discount ceramics and hybrids (Sunfly)... they offer a full color palette and unlimited options.
  • Matsui and Abiatti offer high-end injection molded options, but at a cost.
This is just the way things are right now.

Convince Paulson/GPI to come back to the home market, and you'll be viewed as a god around these parts.
 

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Convince Paulson/GPI to come back to the home market, and you'll be viewed as a god around these parts.

Doesn't GPI make the Elites that @Apache sells? That seems to me to be the closest thing to a mass market product form GPI.

How did that happen?

It doesn't seem unreasonable that someone (perhaps Josh) could convince GPI to produce a limited one-off run on the THC (or whatever) mold for the home market. My understanding was that they got out of it because they 1) had multiple product lines to maintain; and 2) demand for ultra-premium poker chips (retail >$1 per) is a very, very small segment of the home chip market. But a one-off run of say a 250,000 chip order? Seems feasible to me unless economies of scale are prohibitive.
 

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Convince Paulson/GPI to come back to the home market, and you'll be viewed as a god around these parts.

Hmm, god status sounds nice.. I'll give it a shot.

But yes most of the great looking chips do seem to have been manufactured by Paulson. So I guess that's why prices are so inflated as well right?

With the prices people are willing to spend on chips though I'm surprised a company hasn't stepped in to take Paulson's place in the high end clay poker chip market seems odd but obviously I don't know anything..
 

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Doesn't GPI make the Elites that @Apache sells? That seems to me to be the closest thing to a mass market product form GPI.

How did that happen?

You can order some today. They are marketed as promotional chips under the Gemaco brand, which is owned by GPI. Since there is no Top Hat and Cane branding, and only one edge-spot pattern and color (white) offered, they've relaxed some of the resale requirements.

It doesn't seem unreasonable that someone (perhaps Josh) could convince GPI to produce a limited one-off run on the THC (or whatever) mold for the home market. My understanding was that they got out of it because they 1) had multiple product lines to maintain; and 2) demand for ultra-premium poker chips (retail >$1 per) is a very, very small segment of the home chip market.

Josh/@Apache used to procure semi-custom Paulson sets for members back in the CT days. I think he still has contacts within GPI, but they repeatedly tell him the home market is no longer an option. There are a few threads here about why Paulson left the home market, with #1 probably being currency security... Casinos did not want Paulson selling similar colors/spots to consumers, who could then modify the chip at home, bring it into their casino, and rip them off. In short, the casinos told Paulson to stop selling to the home market, so they did. Casinos also got tired of seeing Paulson chips selling to home buyers for cheaper prices than they were paying.

But a one-off run of say a 250,000 chip order? Seems feasible to me unless economies of scale are prohibitive.

Email addresses for Paulson's sales team are available online. Many people have tried. Even including offers of 250,000 and 500,000 chip orders. The replies are always the same, "thank you for your inquiry, but we only sell to licensed casinos."
 

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These will be going to production https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...hread-cash-and-tourney-open-until-2-28.52100/
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Most of the home market is fine with dice chips. Only a small segment of the same home market is looking for high quality poker chips and are willing to spend over $1-$2 per chip. A company like Paulson either needs to find a way to mass produce casino quality chips for less than $1 or find a massive market who are willing to pay $2+ per chip in order for it to be worth the trouble of dedicating serious resources for home market production.

My best guess is that they are doing just fine by filling large orders for casino use and don’t need the headache of rebranding for the home market. Not to mention opening themselves up to possible security issues which casinos may take into consideration when placing future orders.
 

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With the prices people are willing to spend on chips though I'm surprised a company hasn't stepped in to take Paulson's place in the high end clay poker chip market seems odd but obviously I don't know anything..

Every Paulson chip is still hand made, which is why no two edge spots look exactly the same. They were put in there by human hands before being pressed into the mold.

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Additionally, GPI has developed proprietary chip formulas and manufacturing methods over many decades. And their current production is based on large assembly-lines with dozens of workers hand-making chips in Mexico.

It can be done, but would require an enormous amount of capital to get things started up. And to do it in America at the proper scale to quickly crank out large(r) custom sets would likely be incredibly cost prohibitive.
 

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I’m just going to call out that some of the pr0n is custom CPC sets. You can order one of those up for a little over $2/chip.

EDIT: damn,Shaggy beat me to it AND said it better. :bag:
 

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Other than size and color, how are Royals different to Majestic?
 

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Other than size and color, how are Royals different to Majestic?
A lot of people (myself included) think that the Royals have a nicer feel, even though I think conceptually they are just larger. It could have to do with the mold imprint, as most people agree the mold affects how different CPCs feel as well.
 

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Other than size and color, how are Royals different to Majestic?
As far as I know, they use the exact same materials but the Royals may be better for the simple fact that there is just more of the actual chip. The added surface area probably mitigates some of the common issues of china clays (stacking issues, slipperyness, etc.) and contributes the Royals’ overall quality.
 

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Other than size and color, how are Royals different to Majestic?

Not at all.
But sometimes bigger works better. I’m told that’s true of some other plastic toys as well.

I’ve personally found the Majestics to be fairly slippery in a stack, and the Royals markedly less so.
 

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As has already been stated, Paulson doesn't service the home market anymore. BCC closed down (was bought out) ages ago. And all that's left in the low-cost/mass-produced sector are china clays and ceramics.
  • CPC offers custom clay chips, but at a cost.
  • As @Shaggy noted, Key West and Atlantic Club by CPC is an option.
  • Also, don't discount ceramics and hybrids (Sunfly)... they offer a full color palette and unlimited options.
  • Matsui and Abiatti offer high-end injection molded options, but at a cost.
This is just the way things are right now.

Convince Paulson/GPI to come back to the home market, and you'll be viewed as a god around these parts.
  • Run a Not A Group Buy
 

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Not at all.
But sometimes bigger works better. I’m told that’s true of some other plastic toys as well.

I’ve personally found the Majestics to be fairly slippery in a stack, and the Royals markedly less so.
Is that because the bigger the chip the more friction? Or are the materials/process different in the royals?

Would that also explain why my arse hole is as big as a pineapple?
 

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I assume it’s because surface area.

Your arsehole I’ve no explanation for. Or pineapples, for that matter.
 

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Is that because the bigger the chip the more friction? Or are the materials/process different in the royals?

Would that also explain why my arse hole is as big as a pineapple?
Well, that's a twist....
 

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And the last nine words headed to the out-of-context thread....
IS it out of context? Maybe it's in context and his asshole is as big as a pineapple.
 

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I think pairing it with another ooc quote is key. :D
 

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Let's not get mired down with context and buttholes here folks. Lets keep our brown eyes on the prize.

We are all agreed, surface area is the major difference when comparing majestics and royals?
 
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