Which Claysmith chips you prefer? (1 Viewer)

[AnteAndy]

You tried using your finger nail to smooth the flashing/sharp edges?

I did what someone recommended in a post that I can no longer find, but rub the edges against denim, like jeans, that only takes a few rubs all around the sides. Worked great with my Showdowns, just lightly rubbing against the denim.

 

[Beakertwang]

For me, the flashing is a complete deal-breaker, no matter how good a deal the chips are otherwise; that rules out all the slugged chips I listed in my post above. They just feel too rough around the edges.

Outlaws are another possibility for a nice cheap chip. No flashing problems with them at all. But you have to like their graphic design. They wouldn't be good for a relabel project because they have the word "OUTLAW" molded into the edge.

After that there's a ton of cheap chips that would be great for relabeling for people who aren't going to discriminate between sluggers and high-end chips. I've tried a bunch of 'em; some I like, some I don't. The nice thing is that getting samples is dirt cheap.

Good luck with your project, and let us know what you decide on!

Outlaws and the Monaco Casino chips I mentioned earlier seem to come from the same source, as well as the Lucky Horseshoe set. I’ve heard good things about all three sets.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Wow! Glad I brought this little thread back to life! @Legend5555 @Beakertwang @mummel @BGinGA @RudysNYC @CrazyEddie Thanks for all the great input! Barring an announcement tomorrow that Claysmith is going to begin producing spade & sword with Bluff colors I think I'm close to making a decision. Just a couple specific questions:

For those of you who have relabeled any of these, will they all accept a 1 inch label? I'm going with the Onlinelables.com 1 inch waterproof satin label. Sorry for our forum vendors, but I can do these MUCH cheaper that route. Like 4-5 cents a chip with them doing the printing. (I'm getting 1600-2200 chips for 3 or 4 sets. This is a serious option for any of you others out there who are super cheap like me, especially for sluggos going to non-chippers who honestly won't be able to tell the difference or appreciate ABC or Gear labels.

Despite any issues you guys listed, I do like the Bluffs best for colors. I have a sample set of Rock & Rolls. How similar is the feel between these two? Almost the same? I get the slippery-ness and a stack of them feel like CRAP in my hand.

I also have a sample set of Lucky Horseshoe. I do prefer the feel of these, and the less rounded edges, over the R&Rs. The colors are OK, but not as nice as the R&Rs or the Bluffs. BUT - The Luckys only have a 3/4 in recess. So they are OUT.

This brings me to the Monaco Casino. Seems like they may come from the same manufacturer as the Luckys. But in the photos, the recess looks bigger. @Beakertwang or @Potsie1 can either of you confirm the label size that these will take? If they are 1 inch, then these are my winners. Factors being good feel, less slippery, smooth, less rounded edges, acceptable colors, and COST! These are 12 cents a chip, and the cheapest I have found Bluffs is 18 cents. That's 50% more with the only advantages being a much cooler edge spot design and better colors.

@mummel you mentioned Poker Knights chips with Bluff colors at 13 cents. Was that just a wish list request, or have you found either of these at that price? And if so, where? Bluffs at 13 cents would definitely make this a more difficult decision.

 

[mummel]

You can buy them directly from the brybelly website for cheaper.

 

[Beakertwang]

@TX_Golf_N_Poker, as far as I can tell, the Monaco labels come in at 22mm, or just about 7/8".

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

@TX_Golf_N_Poker, as far as I can tell, the Monaco labels come in at 22mm, or just about 7/8".

DAMN! I guess it's gonna have to be Bluffs then. Unless someone tells me their labels are smaller than the R&R labels, which definitely take the 1 inch relabel.

 

[Beakertwang]

DAMN! I guess it's gonna have to be Bluffs then. Unless someone tells me their labels are smaller than the R&R labels, which definitely take the 1 inch relabel.

Why not go through ABC or Gear?

 

[Beakertwang]

Also, just a few issues with the Monacos. My pink 5000 chips are notably more slippery than the other denoms. There is some slight variation of color in my 1000’s. And when I grabbed random barrels today, most were very stable, i.e., no wobblers or spinners. Maybe one in five barrels of the ones I grabbed were a little wobbly, but nothing major. Just some of QC issues you’ll have at 12¢/chip, I suppose.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Why not go through ABC or Gear?

The biggest reason is I just don't want labels smaller than 1 inch. If you're familiar with my custom Cards mold chip design, I tend to do rather busy artwork. Each of these labels is a tribute to something important to one of my boys. There are images that I want to be seen on the chips. Going smaller than 1 inch is going to make those images even smaller than they already are.

Secondary reason - I'm cheap! ABC or Gear labels triples the total cost of the chips and these family members won't appreciate or likely even notice the better labels.

Another option is to wait for Cards mold GB #2, which I suspect will happen later this year, but not in time to take delivery by Christmas. I can mock up a few samples using some extra CC 8V chips I have with a 1 1/8 recess. Give them a nice case, the mock ups and a setup of cards for Christmas, then deliver the chips when they arrive. Still double the cost of my original plan.

 

[wolfpack]

you can get lucky horseshoe, or roman mold (non slugged) for .12/chip from discountpokersho.com

 

[wolfpack]

nexgen pro are non slugged and better than the claysmith chips. they are .15/chip

 

[CrazyEddie]

I think you mean Roman Times?

They're the same material as the Nexgen Pros, and likewise unslugged. They don't have an edge mold, and the design outside the label is kinda plain. I like they way they look, but I'm not sure a lot of other people would.

The recess looks to be right at 1" wide. @TX_Golf_N_Poker , I think your labels would either just barely fit or just barely not fit.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

you can get lucky horseshoe, or roman mold (non slugged) for .12/chip from discountpokersho.com

Yes, that is the vendor that I'm looking at for Monaco Casino. I already have some Lucky Horseshoes, and the recess is too small. Do you mean Roman Times? Thanks but I don't care for that design. Appreciate the suggestion though.

 

[wolfpack]

yeah roman times. Not a hufge fan of the edge spots either, but they are unslugged and the superior nexgen pro feel to them. you'll be removing the label no matter what you get so that really doesn't factor.

nexgen pro are .15 at pokerchipmania but they are out of some colors

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

yeah roman times. Not a hufge fan of the edge spots either, but they are unslugged and the superior nexgen pro feel to them. you'll be removing the label no matter what you get so that really doesn't factor.

nexgen pro are .15 at pokerchipmania but they are out of some colors

Thanks for reminding me of that vendor. Had not been there since several months ago. I was starting to get excited about the NexGens, then I noticed several essential colors were out of stock. Apparently forever.

They also have Claysmith blanks at under 15 cents. Some possibilities. Just need to confirm the size of the recess.

 

[JustinInMN]

For those of you who have relabeled any of these, will they all accept a 1 inch label? I'm going with the Onlinelables.com 1 inch waterproof satin label. Sorry for our forum vendors, but I can do these MUCH cheaper that route.

I did use onlinelabels.com for my 8V CC tournament set.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ver-club-tournament-set-8v-cc-from-abc.59594/

But one word of advice, I would step up to the white gloss finish. I believe I did the waterproof poly on the original (now retired) Free River Club set and they get thumb-nailed too easily for my taste. I would be worried about that with the satin as well.

I sold those off in the classified and I hope the new owner does a relabel at some point .

 

[wolfpack]

also you are getting really close to the cost of custom ceramics shipped from china

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

You can buy them directly from the brybelly website for cheaper.

Just went to the Brybelly site. it appears you need to have a merchant account to buy from them directly, or to even see the prices. Do you have one? Will they give that to anybody?

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

I did use onlinelabels.com for my 8V CC tournament set.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ver-club-tournament-set-8v-cc-from-abc.59594/

But one word of advice, I would step up to the white gloss finish. I believe I did the waterproof poly on the original (now retired) Free River Club set and they get thumb-nailed too easily for my taste. I would be worried about that with the satin as well.

I sold those off in the classified and I hope the new owner does a relabel at some point .

Thanks for the input. Excuse my ignorance, but what is thumb-nailed?

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

also you are getting really close to the cost of custom ceramics shipped from china

How do you figure? I already mentioned Cards mold GB #2 as an option. Double the price and no chance they would be here before Christmas. But yes, it's still an option.

 

[wolfpack]

How do you figure? I already mentioned Cards mold GB #2 as an option. Double the price and no chance they would be here before Christmas. But yes, it's still an option.

I just did an order of 1k custom ceramics at .21/chip, you do have to add shipping which brought my cost to around .28/chip

 

[JustinInMN]

Thanks for the input. Excuse my ignorance, but what is thumb-nailed?

Sorry, like a thumb-nail would scratch the printing on the label. So I would get spots and dings on the printing here and there. If I were deliberate about it, I could remove printing with my thumbnail. The gloss seems more durable, but I have played exactly one game with those labels so far, but it is the reason I stepped it up on my second order and I had them do the printing as well.

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Sorry, like a thumb-nail would scratch the printing on the label. So I would get spots and dings on the printing here and there. If I were deliberate about it, I could remove printing with my thumbnail. The gloss seems more durable, but I have played exactly one game with those labels so far, but it is the reason I stepped it up on my second order and I had them do the printing as well.

Oh crap. I hadn't noticed that yet. I have some of my cash 8V set labeled with these that I self printed on a decent Canon laser printer. They've been used for around 6-8 games so far with nothing noticeable. But I did just intentionally scratch one, and some print came off. Not good! My thinking was that the waterproof ones would be the most durable. But maybe not.

I also recall someone in a very old thread I read many months ago saying that they sprayed these labels with a light clear coat prior to applying them to the chips. I was thinking that was unnecessary from my experience up until now. But now re-thinking. I don't suppose you tried that did you?

 

[JustinInMN]

Oh crap. I hadn't noticed that yet. I have some of my cash 8V set labeled with these that I self printed on a decent Canon laser printer. They've been used for around 6-8 games so far with nothing noticeable. But I did just intentionally scratch one, and some print came off. Not good! My thinking was that the waterproof ones would be the most durable. But maybe not.

I also recall someone in a very old thread I read many months ago saying that they sprayed these labels with a light clear coat prior to applying them to the chips. I was thinking that was unnecessary from my experience up until now. But now re-thinking. I don't suppose you tried that did you?

I didn't apply clearcoat no.

What I did do moments ago was try to scratch one of the glossy labels from my new set with my thumbnail and I couldn't damage the print. I could feel my thumbnail roughed up the finish a bit by sliding my thumb flat over the label after scratching with my nail, but I don't think that would be very noticeable to anyone. And none of your players should be deliberatly scratching inlays. But if you can take something off with a nail, it's possible it happens when chips bump into each other over time.

I imagine if you are worried enough about it to buy and apply a clear coat spray, you may as well just pay the couple extra cents for glossy labels. I got a quantity of 2100 labels (built in 10% extra or so) for about 3.7c each, under 7.5c a chip. .

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

I didn't apply clearcoat no.

What I did do moments ago was try to scratch one of the glossy labels from my new set with my thumbnail and I couldn't damage the print. I could feel my thumbnail roughed up the finish a bit by sliding my thumb flat over the label after scratching with my nail, but I don't think that would be very noticeable to anyone. And none of your players should be deliberately scratching inlays. But if you can take something off with a nail, it's possible it happens when chips bump into each other over time.

I imagine if you are worried enough about it to buy and apply a clear coat spray, you may as well just pay the couple extra cents for glossy labels. I got a quantity of 2100 labels (built in 10% extra or so) for about 3.7c each, under 7.5c a chip. .

Thanks! Sounds like that may be a better option, if I can find the right chip to take the 1 inch label. I was worried that if the label didn't specifically state that it was waterproof, that it might smudge with handling and skin oils and such. I don't just love glossy, but I can deal with it if it's more durable. And cost should be even cheaper for me as they have a sliding scale for pricing. I need around 4000 for my kids chips and over 2000 more to finish labeling my cash 8V chips. I'm betting 6-7K labels will get me under 6 cents a chip.

I assume you still got the pricing benefits of your total number of labels, even though you had multiple different designs to be printed? And how was the centering when they did the printing? I would assume very good? I still can't seem to get it close to perfect when I self print. I was planning to email them today to ask those questions, but thought I would as you too since I have your attention. I really do appreciate it!

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

I just did an order of 1k custom ceramics at .21/chip, you do have to add shipping which brought my cost to around .28/chip
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OK, cool! those look nice! A little cheaper than the Cards mold buy too! Are they from the same manufacturer, or a different one? Could you PM me contact info if you don't want to put it here in this thread? Honestly I'm shocked you were able to beat the price we have for Cards mold! How long was turn around once you had the artwork and order finalized?

 

[wolfpack]

I'l send you info. Cheaper than card mold because don't have a mold. They do card mold as well but it costs more per chip. cards mold was .30/chip for 1k

after design was completed and I paid took about 3 week to arrive

 

[mummel]

I received a sample set of the Inigo ceramics recently. Best ceramics I’ve seen and I’m not even a ceramics fan (like at all). But I think these chips are great and a viable alternative (but can’t remember cost of the cards mold one which is the same manufacturer).

 

[RudysNYC]

For those of you who have relabeled any of these, will they all accept a 1 inch label? I'm going with the Onlinelables.com 1 inch waterproof satin label. Sorry for our forum vendors, but I can do these MUCH cheaper that route.

That's *exactly* what I did, I used onlinelabels.com and their 1 inch waterproof label. If you're going to do that, skip the "re"label and just buy the blanks like I did. Claysmith and various online places sell them, I got mine at pokerstore.com but you can probably find cheaper

 

[JustinInMN]

if I can find the right chip to take the 1 inch label. I was worried that if the label didn't specifically state that it was waterproof, that it might smudge with handling and skin oils and such.

I believe they called the stock I ordered "weatherproof gloss" so I think you should be smudge proof.

I assume you still got the pricing benefits of your total number of labels, even though you had multiple different designs to be printed? And how was the centering when they did the printing? I would assume very good?

Well what I did to make sure if was just "one original" was I put the proportion of labels I needed on each 63 label sheet. I would have to look up how I figured it but it was something like 9*500, 16*1000, 16*5000, 13*25000,7*100000,2*Logo times 32 sheets to get the yield I needed.

I am not sure if they charge more for doing each original separately. If you put some thought into it, you can arrange a single page to yield all you need.