You remove some opportunities by enforcing standard order at showdown, but you don't really close the door since chips can still be dumped if the dumper has position on the dumpee.To be the recipient of the chips in a chip-dump, you show, then the possibly better hand can still fold. If the game is Limit, then going to the river is the best option.
Note: I am not accusing you of doing anything illegal. I'm just trying to point out that it could be used by someone to angle-shoot or to collude. If that door is open I'd prefer to close it, by requiring the correct order of play.
Nevermind... you still don't get it.I'm not following what you're saying here.
B calls and says "callin" and tables
A thinks B is "all in" and... then what?...
Nothing changes here.
Actually, come to think of it, why would B go all-in and show his cards to A before A responds? Is that even allowed? And did B never move his chips (call) out in front of his stack?
I'm just not seeing where the confusion is that stems from tabling the cards, just from A not listening.
Where in Maine are you? I am n Lewiston.The only thing that really tilts me is having to sit next to someone who needs to talk non-stop about random shit that no one cares to follow.
Bubbling use to tilt me.
Jamming or calling an all-in with the same high card and losing to a weaker kicker pairing the board still tilts me, but to a lesser degree now than in the past.
If I understand BG's scenario correctly, B said "calling" to A's bet. Instead of waiting for A, the aggressor, to show, he shows out of order.So it's ok to go all in and then show your hand before the other player acts?
Obviously, it's not ok to go all in and show your cards before the other player acts. But that's not the scenario. B didn't go all in and show instantly. B thought he was calling A's bet. A thought B said "all-in", and the confusion arose because B didn't wait for the aggressor to show.can you answer my question though?
no, it ultimately is exactly the situation. It doesn't matter if B waits or not, it's not ok to go all in and then show before the next player, A, acts.
Player A is clearly under the impression that either it's ok, or that B thinks it's ok. Either assumption is wrong and clearly A is at fault here. I've never ever seen what A thinks he's seeing. Ever.
The problem is A, not B.
Nevermind... you still don't get it.
Look, I'm not being anything. I was actually trying to bring some understanding to a situation where you don't appear to understand. I'm confused about what you don't understand about what BG was trying to tell you. I think I was polite, and doing my best to clarify the scenario. You're the one who has called @BGinGA "obnoxious" and myself an "asshole".being an asshole is a prerequisite for being a tourney director?
You're being more than a bit of a prick when you resort to basically just saying people lack the ability to comprehend something as opposed to further explaining what they're apparently missing. Just like you're comfortable saying "you don't get it" I can say exactly the same, and then nobody has achieved anything really.Look, I'm not being anything. I was actually trying to bring some understanding to a situation where you don't appear to understand. I'm confused about what you don't understand about what BG was trying to tell you. I think I was polite, and doing my best to clarify the scenario. You're the one who has called @BGinGA "obnoxious" and myself an "asshole".
I'm new-ish around here, and I don't have BG's reputation. He's blunt, for sure, but well respected for his knowledge. But I sure hope I have never come across as insulting or obtuse with others as you have with BG and myself.
And that is the meat of the argument -- A was wrong, but A was wrong simply because he did not show first. B only made the problem worse by showing, but nothing bad would have happened had he not shown (which has been the the very premise of my position all along -- nothing bad comes of acting in turn, but bad things can happen if you don't act in turn).The actual fact here is that in his example A was wrong. B was not wrong.