Tourney What is chip dumping...? (1 Viewer)

[Ronoh]

You make a lot of good points, but arguing that this isn’t the best way to chip dump doesn’t mean it wasn’t chip dumping.

Agreed. I’m not saying it definitely wasn’t, I have no way of knowing. Just saying IMO it’s unlikely.

And please help me understand, Is there a sensible goal of open shoving 43o and 92o, if not chip dumping (or just trying to quit?) If you get called, it’s going to be by a better hand. Just hoping to suck out with crap cards?

In this particular case my guess is he was quitting as he didn’t rebuy, and from a dumping perspective it seems silly to boost a collective stack one time by 8000 for $11 when additional boosts of 7500 chips are less than half price.

From a general rebuy strategy perspective there are many people who shove any two simply to eventually build a stack. Cards are irrelevant.

 

[upNdown]

From a general rebuy strategy perspective there are many people who shove any two simply to eventually build a stack. Cards are irrelevant.

I’ve seen this in the free rebuy tournaments on pokerstars; I didn’t know people did this for real money. It’s a pretty stupid “strategy” imo because pretty quickly you get to a point where you need to do a lot better than min cash, just to break even.

 

[Ronoh]

I’ve seen this in the free rebuy tournaments on pokerstars; I didn’t know people did this for real money. It’s a pretty stupid “strategy” imo because pretty quickly you get to a point where you need to do a lot better than min cash, just to break even.

Negreanu rebought 47 times in a WSOP event.

Good players who use the strategy aren’t looking to min-cash or to recoup their investment but even so it can likely be validated mathematically... sometimes you’ll rebuy a lot, make it to the payouts and still lose money. Other times you’ll hit off the bat with a single bullet and the min cash represents 10x your buyin.

In smaller online tournaments it often has nothing to do with the money. I’ve done it just because I find it entertaining.

 

[Trihonda]

You make a lot of good points, but arguing that this isn’t the best way to chip dump doesn’t mean it wasn’t chip dumping.

And please help me understand, Is there a sensible goal of open shoving 43o and 92o, if not chip dumping (or just trying to quit?) If you get called, it’s going to be by a better hand. Just hoping to suck out with crap cards?

And if trying to quit, why not do it two hands in a row...? Why wait a few hands, then do it with crap cards? And miraculously when the other guy has hands he can call with...? And this strategy of shoving wide, then rebuying, does one normally do this when you already have 2x the chips as everyone else, or is this more of a shorter (or avg) stack play?

I get there could be some weird explanation (quitting the game, or decided to shove his chip leading stack, or aliens convinced him to do it), but in the moment it just didn’t “feel” right. His play suddenly diverged from his normal thus far.. his play didn’t make sense.. and it happened twice in short order. I initially thought it weird when I saw his cards, but when he didn’t rebuy, I was suspicious...

But ultimately this thread was more to satisfy my curiosity and confirm whether my gut feeling was right or not. This hand, or any one online poker hand, doesn’t really matter at all imho. It’s all suspect, and buyer beware. I appreciate all the feedback, on both sides.

 

[upNdown]

Negreanu rebought 47 times in a WSOP event.
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https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/2006/wsop-event-34-rebuys-rebuys-rebuys-031794.html
Wow. There’s a lot to learn about this game.

 

[CHP TD]

i think this is the point

it could be either. you just cant prove it.

as far as the admin is concerned. hes laughing all the way to the bank either way.