Tourney Unorthodox Freeze-out/Rebuy Hybrid... (1 Viewer)

[Wils]

Word up, homes.

I was pondering the age old dilemma of freeze-outs versus rebuys. If you're out early in a freeze-out, you're out, no exceptions. This encourages more considered, tighter play (by and large), but if you play well and get a bad beat, it can feel a little harsh.

On the other hand, if you're out early in a rebuy, you can rebuy (really). This encourages more reckless play (amongst some) because the immediate risk is no longer present. Players will generally take more risks (although that's relative, of course).

I was thinking about having a "Bad Beat Rebuy" as a solution, but thought I'd sound it out here (as I tend to do with my crackpot ideas) before mentioning it to the regs.

Basically, you could rebuy within the first X rounds like a normal rebuy, but only if your losing hand was of a certain rank or higher - for example, your losing hand must be at least a flush to be able to rebuy.

Why? Because the more reckless who think "f*ck it I'm going to go all in with Ace high" know they're out for good if they lose, whereas someone sitting on a low-end full house who gets beaten by a better full house (or quads or whatever) who may have been playing well but just got very unlucky can rebuy if they choose.

I dunno, it just stops the main criticism of rebuy games, which is they tend to promote more aggressive, "lucky" play, whilst also preventing someone playing a solid game who nevertheless gets unlucky and has to go home in the third blind level.

Playable idea?

 

[BGinGA]

Tough to quantify what constitutes a bad beat, imo.

What about the guy who is a huge favorite when all the money goes in, but villain sucks out the two-outer on the river? Doesn't always have at least a flush, but still a good shove, bad call, and a worse beat.

We apply an intrinsic value to the re-buy chip -- if unused, it can be redeemed for a free add-on at rhe end of the re-buy period (typically about 25% of the starting stack size). Combined with healthy starting stack sizes (200bb to 300bb), it pretty much shuts down the 'reckless' re-buys sometimes found in smaller stack (and smaller entry fee) events.

 

[WedgeRock]

It's still possible to play loose (though maybe not draw-reckless) with a qualifying hand.

In other words, I could have a qualifying hand but know I was beat but shove anyway just because I know I am eligible for rebuy.

Your idea may address some of the donkament play, but it won't eliminate it.

 

[Wils]

Thanks folks - all valid points. I might look at that rebuy chip/add-on idea.

 

[krafticus]

And what about a hand like KK vs AA... however the outcome ends?

 

[upNdown]

Tough to quantify what constitutes a bad beat, imo.

Easy. Every damn hand I've lost on the WSOP app.

 

[CdnBeerLover]

We apply an intrinsic value to the re-buy chip -- if unused, it can be redeemed for a free add-on at rhe end of the re-buy period (typically about 25% of the starting stack size). Combined with healthy starting stack sizes (200bb to 300bb), it pretty much shuts down the 'reckless' re-buys sometimes found in smaller stack (and smaller entry fee) events.

We do this as well, and give players who have their rebuy chip and are severely short stacked at the end of the rebuy period the option to rebuy if they wish.

 

[BGinGA]

We do this as well, and give players who have their rebuy chip and are severely short stacked at the end of the rebuy period the option to rebuy if they wish.

I like that option! (y) :thumbsup: I'm guessing they surrender any chips they have if re-buying?

 

[CdnBeerLover]

I like that option! (y) :thumbsup: I'm guessing they surrender any chips they have if re-buying?

Correct. If they do this, they exchange whatever chips they have for a full starting stack.

 

[MikesDad]

We do this as well, and give players who have their rebuy chip and are severely short stacked at the end of the rebuy period the option to rebuy if they wish.

Interesting... please define "severely short stacked"... I assume it's some percentage of the starting stack?

 

[ParrotheadMZ]

Ive played a lot of tournaments with only one rebuy per 10 people. So 30 person tourney would have 3 rebuys total. No one dan rebuy twice and if two or more bust in same hand they are all allowed to rebuy if there is still a rebuy left

 

[CdnBeerLover]

Interesting... please define "severely short stacked"... I assume it's some percentage of the starting stack?

That's my own situation if I use it, actually. Anyone who has a rebuy chip can do this, regardless of stack size. Currently when our rebuy period ends, the next level has a bb that is 1/12 of a starting stack (that will change this year, as the rebuy period will be shorter). So, if you do this, you get a stack of 12bb. It's up to the player to determine if the cost is worth it.

Personally, I would have to be under 4 bb at the end of the rebuy period to consider it.