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Transaction with PCF member Emitsu (2 Viewers)
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superchromix
Full House
And this was never the case. I requested my preferred payment method, and explained to you that PCF transactions usually involve paying for the chips prior to delivery (trust based). You assured me that you fully intended to buy the chips at the agreed price, so I said sure it’s fine we can do the e-transfer in person if that’s better for you. That is _exactly_ what happened. I never said advance payment was a condition for the sale. I had already lugged these chips to Canada in my bag for God’s sake.
We were still discussing prices and quantities while he was in Germany, the only thing we agreed upon while he was there was meeting face to face that is it. I don't know how many chips he actually brought but we did not agree on a quantity and final price until he got to Canada.
After he was in Canada (with the chips already, even though we did not agree on how many chips I would be buying, so he probably brought all of them) we agreed upon a price but then it became clear he wanted the payment done before meeting up, which was never stated at all until that point. I was reluctant to do this, and it seemed to me he did not want to proceed with the sale anymore. After one day he changed his mind and I told him I already went with somebody else
After he was in Canada (with the chips already, even though we did not agree on how many chips I would be buying, so he probably brought all of them) we agreed upon a price but then it became clear he wanted the payment done before meeting up, which was never stated at all until that point. I was reluctant to do this, and it seemed to me he did not want to proceed with the sale anymore. After one day he changed his mind and I told him I already went with somebody else
RowdyRawhide
Full House
Also if you would look at his feedback, its 100% over 30+ transactions going back 3 years....why wouldn't you trust him
I have no idea how any of this works, I have only been on this website for about 2 weeks. I am not just going to take a random person's word on the internet I have never met or know anything about. Maybe this website is different I guess but to me, when someone asks me to pay them for something before meeting face to face (in a method that has no recourse for me if I get scammed) it seems fishy to me, I was just being cautious that is all. I really did not want to get scammed and preferred the method that was risk free for everyone, I got the impression he did want to go through with that so I found another seller that was it.
This is what gets me. If you’re a buyer an you set a price and agree to buy chips (whether an exact time and place or shipping method is set) it’s not a good look to back out but it’s worse to take another deal without even letting the seller know beforehand or again worse, until they have to follow up with you.
gopherblue
Straight Flush
...Aaaaand this is why I don't deal with members who are brand new or who haven't established their bona fides.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
I will paypal F & F the sum of one USD to @Emitsu if he can produce a screenshot of a genuine message from @superchromix requesting $600. If I lose the buck, it changes the narrative for sure. If not, it looks pretty much like @superchromix described, he tried to accommodate an in person transaction only to get flaked on. Maybe for the best.
JustinInMN
4 of a Kind
Mr Winberg
Full House
Do you see any problem whatsoever with getting him to bring the merchandise across the Atlantic for your sake, and then backing out?
I don't know all the details, so I might be in the wrong here, but if I got someone to do that I would probably offer some compensation for the troubles (unless e.g. we met and the merchandise was not what was promised).
Got the impression? If someone brings poker chips across the Atlantic, please tell me you got a clear "NO" before you backed out?
Couldn't you just meet, check the chips, then transfer via paypal?
Sorry for seemingly taking sides this early, but I feel that a lot of things are unclear and it would be great to get some more answers.
RowdyRawhide
Full House
So I'll ask again....did you buy the other chips face to face
He's been on my (and others') avoid list for a long time.
"Couldn't you just meet, check the chips, then transfer via paypal?" THIS! This is exactly what I wanted, but he said he preferred for me to send him the money before doing this.
I did not agree to that and then he told me he thought I was just in this to examine the chips but not actually buy them and made some remark about not being a travelling chips salesman I think? At this point I thought he did not want to sell me the chips anymore so I moved on and found someone else, he messaged me the next day asking to meet but I told him I thought he didn't want to sell me the chips so I went with someone else. That is it, that's exactly what happened
I already answered this earlier, and the answer is YES I did. There was no problems in that transaction, it was face to face, cordial and everything went smoothly as I thought it would have with superchromix if we met up face to face.
heisman
Two Pair
What a mess. Expected to post a popcorn eating gif but this is just sad. Not to say my first PCF transaction went smoothly either (@Jeevansluck I still owe you one bud 
) but I can attest that everyone I’ve met here have been honest af and imo scams are one in a million and only if you’re a buyer to a newcomer. Hope you guys reach some sort of resolution.
) but I can attest that everyone I’ve met here have been honest af and imo scams are one in a million and only if you’re a buyer to a newcomer. Hope you guys reach some sort of resolution.
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Another great thread for the Holidays! Merry Christmas to everyone!
Mr Winberg
Full House
You see, in Sweden we've already had our Christmas dinner, seen Donald Duck and exchanged gifts. What better than some good ole PCF "he said she said" before watching Die Hard and wishing your loved ones a Merry Christmas while Severus Snape falls down from Nakatomi Plaza?
FDLmold
Royal Flush
superchromix has 46 positive feedback and 0 negative - I have never seen anybody with that feedback level NOT follow through on a deal here. It's what makes all this chip renting back and forth affordable around here.
Moxie Mike
Full House
OK @Emitsu if you're planning on hanging around and becoming a respected member of the community, you should know that almost all transactions are done via PPF&F and the buyer pays before the merch is shipped. If a deal feels less than solid for whatever reason, don't do the deal. These transactions are based solely on trust. Determining trustworthiness is fairly straightforward with a little due diligence. That's how it is.
That said, in the rare instance of an in-person transaction, it's perfectly reasonable to prefer to exchange cash for goods in person. Your trepidation about sending cash to a stranger is not unfounded. A good faith deposit is also reasonable in these rather unusual circumstances.
Now looking at it as a neutral party who knows neither of you, it also seems to me like @superchromix was under the impression that he had a firm commitment to buy the chips in question - enough so that he brought them along on an intercontinental flight and made plans to execute the transaction in person as part of his holiday. I am sure he believed this transaction was absolutely going to happen. Just because you hadn't established an exact time and place to meet when you agreed on a price doesn't mean your commitment is invalid.
Now if you're saying you never actually made a commitment to buy, I guess we'll have to take you at your word but I suggest you look back through your communications and try to see where you may have given the impression that you would indeed buy the chips, because he held up his end of the deal. It's hard to imagine that he would bring the chips along purely on speculation, only to complain publicly when the deal falls through. For that reason, I think taking responsibility for his inconvenience and an apology for the miscommunication if nothing else, is appropriate.
Lastly, I'm not sure how I feel about @superchromix starting this thread. We already have a feedback system - and he wasn't scammed... only inconvenienced. This whole situation feels more like a miscommunication between the two. We've all had people make commitments to buy only to ghost or back out - it happens. Personally, I once examined 600 Eldorado $1s to find the LCVs because a member said he wanted them - only to have them back out after I spent the time. I was annoyed but it never occurred to me to complain publicly and possibly damage someone's reputation over it.
That said, in the rare instance of an in-person transaction, it's perfectly reasonable to prefer to exchange cash for goods in person. Your trepidation about sending cash to a stranger is not unfounded. A good faith deposit is also reasonable in these rather unusual circumstances.
Now looking at it as a neutral party who knows neither of you, it also seems to me like @superchromix was under the impression that he had a firm commitment to buy the chips in question - enough so that he brought them along on an intercontinental flight and made plans to execute the transaction in person as part of his holiday. I am sure he believed this transaction was absolutely going to happen. Just because you hadn't established an exact time and place to meet when you agreed on a price doesn't mean your commitment is invalid.
Now if you're saying you never actually made a commitment to buy, I guess we'll have to take you at your word but I suggest you look back through your communications and try to see where you may have given the impression that you would indeed buy the chips, because he held up his end of the deal. It's hard to imagine that he would bring the chips along purely on speculation, only to complain publicly when the deal falls through. For that reason, I think taking responsibility for his inconvenience and an apology for the miscommunication if nothing else, is appropriate.
Lastly, I'm not sure how I feel about @superchromix starting this thread. We already have a feedback system - and he wasn't scammed... only inconvenienced. This whole situation feels more like a miscommunication between the two. We've all had people make commitments to buy only to ghost or back out - it happens. Personally, I once examined 600 Eldorado $1s to find the LCVs because a member said he wanted them - only to have them back out after I spent the time. I was annoyed but it never occurred to me to complain publicly and possibly damage someone's reputation over it.
Wow this is a great post! I appreciate this and for what it's worth, I do plan on becoming a respected member of the community and do not want my name tarnished on this website as someone who flakes or is less than reliable/trustworthy.
@superchromix If you'll accept it, I do apologize for the inconvenience I may have caused you and the lack of proper communication on my part. I completely understand your side of things and I hope you will accept my apology as I did not mean any ill will to you or to ruin your vacation. I am sincerely sorry for that, and hope we can move past this.
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Shall we get back to chipping?
Mojo1312
4 of a Kind
So. Yeah. Asking someone to bring something to Canada to do face to face for buyer protection when you have zero feedback and he has multiple successful deals just has a terrible perview. Horrible....
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superchromix
Full House
I also tend not to like these “calling out bad behavior” threads, but this guy really went too far. It wasn’t enough for him to reneg on the deal we agreed after I’d already transported the chips for him. He went further to accuse me of being a shady seller.
I have a long track record on PCF and many solid transactions as a buyer and a seller. If some members like @BGinGA have a disagreement with me, it is likely to do with having differing views about boat chips, but that is an old story.
@Emitsu you were fully aware I that we had an agreement, but between your last PM reassuring me you wanted to buy the chips at 10:47PM last night (I was asleep - still jet lagged), and my response at 7:15AM setting a time to meet, you went back on your word. If there was any confusion on your part as to whether I wanted to proceed with the deal you could have waited to double check.
You followed up this mess by telling me via PM that it was my fault, and accused me of being a shady seller.
So yes. your actions were not stellar. If you want to apologize you can start by taking back all the things you wrote via PM, which I don’t care to repeat here.
The best thing you could do, is stand up and keep your word and complete this relatively small transaction, to save me having to carry these chips back across the ocean in a few days.
And on another note, Merry Christmas everybody
Good on ya. missed this.
monkeydog
Flush
I also tend not to like these “calling out bad behavior” threads, but this guy really went too far. It wasn’t enough for him to reneg on the deal we agreed after I’d already transported the chips for him. He went further to accuse me of being a shady seller.
I have a long track record on PCF and many solid transactions as a buyer and a seller. If some members like @BGinGA have a disagreement with me, it is likely to do with having differing views about boat chips, but that is an old story.
@Emitsu you were fully aware I that we had an agreement, but between your last PM reassuring me you wanted to buy the chips at 10:47PM last night (I was asleep - still jet lagged), and my response at 7:15AM setting a time to meet, you went back on your word. If there was any confusion on your part as to whether I wanted to proceed with the deal you could have waited to double check.
You followed up this mess by telling me via PM that it was my fault, and accused me of being a shady seller.
So yes. your actions were not stellar. If you want to apologize you can start by taking back all the things you wrote via PM, which I don’t care to repeat here.
The best thing you could do, is stand up and keep your word and complete this relatively small transaction, to save me having to carry these chips back across the ocean in a few days.
And on another note, Merry Christmas everybody
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What chips were sold/unsold?
Mojo1312
4 of a Kind
Asking for a friend.
davin
4 of a Kind
Curious what the chips was too
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superchromix
Full House
Yakama Legends
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