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Transaction with PCF member Emitsu (2 Viewers)

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Received a PM from user @Emitsu two days ago asking if I had chips to sell him, and whether I would ship to Canada. I responded yes and offered to transport the chips to Canada for him, reducing the shipping costs, since I was about to travel to Canada for the holidays. We quickly agreed quantities and price.

When I gave him the paypal payment details, he replied that he would rather pay me in person, and that I should bring the chips to meet him rather than ship within Canada. Since this is a member with zero feedback, his reluctance to send payment raised red flags because this is not the norm on PCF - normally payment is made in advance before chips are sent or delivered.

He re-assured me that he intended to purchase the chips, and I agreed to deliver the chips in person, saving him the shipping costs, and accept payment in person.

Now, today, with the chips already transported to Canada, packed in my car and ready to be delivered, @Emitsu writes me to say he’s backing out of the deal because he bought another set.

This is an example of the worst kind of flaky behavior by a buyer. Ask someone to transport several kilograms of chips in their luggage on a trans-Atlantic flight, and then back out of the deal at the last minute. No compensation for my time or the trouble I went to was offered.

TL;DR: I’m sorry to say it, but this user is to be avoided. @Emitsu you caused serious inconvenience for me over my holiday, and then told me it was my own fault because I didn’t respond to your PM or your payment terms quickly enough. I hope the couple of bucks you saved on your chips was worth putting another PCF member out.
 
This is completely unfair to me, I am new to this website and have always done any and all transactions in a face to face manner in order to avoid being scammed, when I have the option to do so I will take it, as I'm sure everyone else would.

We never agreed on a date or time to meet up, nothing was finalized, superchromix wanted the payment by e-transfer before meeting up and this didn't set right with me as there is no way for me to get any of my money back if anything went wrong, is it my fault for being a bit cautious?

Anywho, he did not seem like he wanted to sell this chips to me anymore, so when another user messaged me I agreed to purchase the chips from them, plain and simple, I don't really see anything wrong with it. Had we agreed to a time and place and then I backed out I would completely understand but nothing of this sort had happened. We did not come to an agreement and superchromix is just mad because the deal didn't go through and now is trying to out me as the bad guy because I was being cautious.
 
Sorry superchromix if you're but hurt, you can't expect the world to revolve around you, I was being cautious that is all, I do not feel as if I have wronged or been untruthful in any sort of manner.
 
Emitsu said:
This is completely unfair to me, I am new to this website and have always done any and all transactions in a face to face manner in order to avoid being scammed, when I have the option to do so I will take it, as I'm sure everyone else would.

We never agreed on a date or time to meet up, nothing was finalized, superchromix wanted the payment by e-transfer before meeting up and this didn't set right with me as there is no way for me to get any of my money back if anything went wrong, is it my fault for being a bit cautious?

Anywho, he did not seem like he wanted to sell this chips to me anymore, so when another user messaged me I agreed to purchase the chips from them, plain and simple, I don't really see anything wrong with it. Had we agreed to a time and place and then I backed out I would completely understand but nothing of this sort had happened. We did not come to an agreement and superchromix is just mad because the deal didn't go through and now is trying to out me as the bad guy because I was being cautious.
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So it sounds like you came to an agreement on sale terms, but just not on the transaction time or place specifics? Those are different things and it seems to be what you both are saying.
 
Eloe2000 said:
So it sounds like you came to an agreement on sale terms, but just not on the transaction time or place specifics?
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Exactly, I was under the impression he did want to sell me the chips anymore because I did not e-transfer him before meeting in person. It's a huge red flag when someone asks you to pay for a product in person before you actually see the product in person (if you are able to that is, and in this case I was) He thought I just wanted to test the chips and then back out of the deal when I already agreed on a price & quantity with him, so once that happened when other people had messaged me I took their offers instead.

In general if I have the option to meet someone in person to do a transaction in a public place I will because that leaves the least amount of risk for both parties involved.

He is trying to make me look bad but those are the facts, take it as you will.
 
Emitsu said:
Exactly, I was under the impression he did want to sell me the chips anymore because I did not e-transfer him before meeting in person. It's a huge red flag when someone asks you to pay for a product in person before you actually see the product in person (if you are able to that is, and in this case I was) He thought I just wanted to test the chips and then back out of the deal when I already agreed on a price & quantity with him, so once that happened when other people had messaged me I took their offers instead.

In general if I have the option to meet someone in person to do a transaction in a public place I will because that leaves the least amount of risk for both parties involved.

He is trying to make me look bad but those are the facts, take it as you will.
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So it still sounds like you came to an agreement but then backed out. You personally may have felt uncomfortable at some point, but you still admit you backed out.
 
Emitsu said:
In general if I have the option to meet someone in person to do a transaction in a public place I will because that leaves the least amount of risk for both parties involved.
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Fair. But a majority of the sales here are done over the Internet, not in person. That’s where the trust and feedback system come into place.
 
Eloe2000 said:
So it still sounds like you came to an agreement but then backed out. You personally may have felt uncomfortable at some point, but you still admit you backed out.
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Yes I did back out because I did not feel comfortable sending money to a random stranger when we are meeting up anyways, it was a way to protect myself from being potentially scammed, and we're not talking about a small sum either, this is over $600 for me, that is a lot to transfer someone when you are meeting up with them, I feel most comfortable doing any transactions in person when the opportunity presents itself because in that situation, the only person who has something to lose is me
 
Saoliver said:
I don’t know who is right or wrong, but I’d you require all of your purchases to be face to face then you are going to have a hard time buying and selling here.

Use PayPal Goods and Services if you want protection.
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I don't require them all to be face to face, but if I have the opportunity to do so (like in this situation) I will take it! It is just the smartest thing to do, for both sides to be honest.
 
Hornet said:
Was it ever agreed that the plan was for @superchromix to deliver the chips in person and for @Emitsu to pay for them when delivered?
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No, he wanted the money ($600+) e-transferred to him FIRST and then he would me and deliver the chips. My suggestion was to meet him and do the exchange at the same time, again on superchromix's suggestion, the only person who has anything to lose is ME, but on my suggestion it is fair to both of us. He was just extremely paranoid that I would just not buy them when I got there but that was never my intention nor did I ever even hint at something like that happening.
 
ekricket said:
That’s not really how it works here. Your word counts for more than you can ever know here.
Are you meeting face to face with your new purchase of chips?
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Yes, in this situation we are (I got very lucky) but I am also completely fine paying for things when this is not feasible. When it is feasible I would like to take that opportunity as it decreases risk for me in order to not get scammed.
 
Saoliver said:
I don’t know who is right or wrong, but if you require all of your purchases to be face to face then you are going to have a hard time buying and selling here.

Use PayPal Goods and Services if you want protection.
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He also did not want to use Pay Pal goods and services, he wanted Pay Pal Friends and Family or E-transfer, BOTH options where I would be the only one who loses out if I did not receive the chips and there wouldn't be ANYTHING I could do about it.
 
Emitsu said:
He was just extremely paranoid that I would just not buy them when I got there but that was never my intention nor did I ever even hint at something like that happening.
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But isn’t this what actually happened? He brought the chips to Canada after you came to a purchase agreement and then you didn’t buy them?
 
Eloe2000 said:
But isn’t this what actually happened? He brought the chips to Canada after you came to a purchase agreement and then you didn’t buy them?
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Yeah, it sounds to me like there was an understanding that the parties would do a face to face exchange. That appears to be why @superchromix brought the chips with him.
 
Eloe2000 said:
But isn’t this what actually happened? He brought the chips to Canada after you came to a purchase agreement and then you didn’t buy them?
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No that's not what happened, he agreed to meet me in person so I could buy the chips but he did not make it clear that he wanted the money before we actually met, I was under the assumption the transaction would take place face to face, but he was already in Canada with the chips once he told me he didn't want to go through with that until I pay him because he thinks I only want to examine the chips then decide if I want to buy them (which was never the case).

Once I thought he did not want to sell me the chips anymore, I went with another seller, because it didn't seem like we were coming to an agreement, then the next day he decided to change his mind and actually do meet in person then I had informed him I already purchased the chips from someone else.

Had he said he wouldn't do the transaction unless I paid him in advance of the meet-up, BEFORE coming to Canada, I would've told him I wasn't interested and he wouldn't have brought the chips, its a matter of timing in this situation.
 
Emitsu said:
He also did not want to use Pay Pal goods and services, he wanted Pay Pal Friends and Family or E-transfer, BOTH options where I would be the only one who loses out if I did not receive the chips and there wouldn't be ANYTHING I could do about it.
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I don't blame people for not wanting Goods and Services. The IRS tries to stick their hands in your pockets and treats you as a business and sends you a 1099-k which is absolute horse sh*t.
 
First of all, the total amount of the agreed transaction was $250 USD exactly (no shipping charges).

*After* the price was agreed, and *after* I agreed to deliver the chips in person, I sent my paypal details to @Emitsu.

@Emitsu then asked to pay me in person. I told him that’s not usually the way it works for PCF transactions, and that I would prefer to be paid via paypal because I don’t need any CAD cash.

@Emitsu insisted on paying in person, telling me he was afraid of being scammed, despite my feedback record.

I agreed to Emitsu’s payment requests and proposed a place and time to meet up. At this point we’ve agreed a price, I’ve explained the way PCF transactions worked, I’ve packed and transported the chips from Germany to Canada, and I’ve planned my day to make time to deliver the chips.

This is the point at which @Emitsu renegs on the deal, saying he received another offer.

Imho that’s not keeping your word, @Emitsu. You then went further and accused me of being a shady seller via PM. That’s a step too far.
 
I understand a little bit better now. FWIW this is more of a community than a sales website and so sales generally operate different than something like a sale on eBay or Craigslist. Also, it seems people need to be crystal clear on their communication of deals since these are person to person transactions. But from a PCFers perspective it would appear that you agreed to a deal and then backed out, regardless of whatever your reason may be.
 
Emitsu said:
No this was only if we met face to face, he was already in Canada with the chips, we never met up face to face it did not happen
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Sorry if I got this wrong, but do I understand correctly that you agreed on a price while he was in Germany, and you then backed out after he had transported the chips to Canada?
 

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