Tourney Tournament Set build help - T500s? Molds? (1 Viewer)

[markleteenie]

Updated 1/11/19.
I would love help with mold ideas for T500. Suggestions?

I have the following chips for a T5 tournament set:

• 220 x $5 Paulson RHC
• 200 x $25 Paulson THC
• 240 x $100 BCC Flame
• 200 x $500 Paulson THC Hotstamp
• 200 x $1000 CPC CSQ Rounders
• 40 x $5000 BCC Cigar and snifter

For a single table with rebuys, or a two table freezeout. Minimum 300BB starting stack.
Following @guyfleegman's starting stack advice:

• T5x10
• T25x10
• T100x7
• T500x4/8 (3000-5000)

Thanks!

 

[markleteenie]

With the above breakdown, it could be a 600 count set consisting of:
200 x T5
200 x T25
100 x T100
80 x T500
20 x T1000

 

[JustinInMN]

So I am assuming you are deciding on additional denominations.

I would do this:
Add 140 T100
Add 40 T500

Brings your set to 600.

Then you can build the following T2000 stacks, which is 200bb starting at 5-10

10 * 20/20/4/2 (plus 9 rebuys of 2*T500, 10*T100, and color up reserves)
14 * 15/13/6/2 (plus 5 rebuys of 2*T500, 10*T100, and color up reserves.)
20 * 10/10/7/2 (no reserves )

You may want more T500 if you are thinking rebuys. Or do T1000 stacks instead.

But I think this is the right direction.

 

[guyfleegman]

I love my T5 based tourney set.
I prefer:
10-10-7-X for starting stacks.
I currently run T4000 stacks:
10-10-7-6
5 t100s color up the 5’s and 5 t500s the 25’s

 

[markleteenie]

I love my T5 based tourney set.
I prefer:
10-10-7-X for starting stacks.
I currently run T4000 stacks:
10-10-7-6
5 t100s color up the 5’s and 5 t500s the 25’s

Edit: So that is a 400BB starting stack?

So what kind of chip breakdown do you have in your set for 5, 25, 100, 500, 1000?

 

[guyfleegman]

I never moved over to a set with 1000’s as of yet. I just “future proofed” my chips by getting 160 T100 instead of 140 of them.
That lets me run 8-8-X-X later down the road.
I think if you are only running one table there is really no need for T1000 chips.
Even with 2 tables it is unnecessary although you can have less chips overall if you go with only a few 500’s and shore up the T1000’s.
Current set is
200 T5
200 T25
160 T100
120 T500
20 bounty chips(will be 30)

 

[markleteenie]

color up reserves

5 t100s color up the 5’s and 5 t500s the 25’s

I think that is part of what I was just guessing, I need to actually calculate out the color up reserves too.

I found 100 x $100s, but it might be hard to get more (So I would like to try using this as a fixed number too)

I am also open to getting 1s as my lowest starting blinds 1/2 if that helps out my 200x5, 200x25 situation

I also think since both of you guys recommended more than 100xT100, I might try to scale this down lower (for now) and start a T1 set with the starting blinds at 1/2. I think that way the 100xT100s won't be limiting.

What is the average starting stack for a tournament? Above mentions 200BB and 400BB.

 

[Darson]

I would get a rack of T500 and then you can do (5/25/100/500):

100BB starting stack: 20/20/4/0 (T1000) with 10 rebuys of 0/0/5/1 and any more as 2xT500. The remaining T100 to colour up the T5s
200BB starting stack: 20/20/4/2 (T2000) with 10 rebuys of 0/0/5/3 and any more as 4xT500. The remaining T100 to colour up the T5s
500BB starting stack: 20/20/9/7 (T5000) with no rebuys and the remaining T100s to colour up the T5s

 

[JustinInMN]

You should be able to get by on 100* T100, my rec for 140 was to make your set playable up to 20 players since you already have enough T5 an T25 for that.

Since you have such large quantities of those two I don't think it makes sense for you to go downward in denominations. I think you will need 200*T1 to fit your other quantities.

I think 100bb is an average start, 200 is a bigger stack, more than 200 is probably a "deep" stack in my usage.

 

[JustinInMN]

I guess upon thinking about it if you got 200* T1 to make t400 stacks you could do 20/21/11 and just use the extra T25 for your rebuys and color ups. (About 5)

 

[markleteenie]

I guess upon thinking about it if you got 200* T1 to make t400 stacks you could do 20/21/11 and just use the extra T25 for your rebuys and color ups. (About 5)

I like that a lot. T1 20/21/11 is enough that it feels like you have stacks too. I hate playing tournaments where you get like 12 chips.

Just thinking out loud.
So for a STT (up to 10) with the above, it would use 110 T25s, giving about 5 rebuys (like you stated). And then all I would need is 60xT100s to color all of them up.

If I wanted to make it deeper with 400BB, then I would need 60xT100s (not including the ones to color up), so 100xT100s and 4xT500 would cover it. for all color ups and 5 rebuys.

So considering I own the 5s and 25s, and am limiting the T100s to 100 chips, a breakdown of something like this might work:
T1x200
T5x220
T25x200
T100x100
T500x4+

I'll have to figure out the happy middle, probably like 300BB or something, so that the chips aren't stretched so exactly.

 

[markleteenie]

Updated OP with Touney Set progress/thoughts. Thanks to those who have contributed so far, I am getting a better vision for this set.

I would love thoughts/help with ideas for cheaper Paulsons for T100, T500, T1000
I haven't spent a lot of money on this Tournament set, and my 5s and 25s are worn, so it would match to have used T100s. I almost never see worn $100s, I really like PCA $100 Primaries, but I only ever see NM/M, and that is too much for this particular set.

Example: Hotel Nevada hundos...too nice for this set.

Ideas?

 

[RichMahogany]

Personally, I’d decide whether I want to build a THC or RHC tournament set. Mixing molds?

Of course, YMMV

 

[guyfleegman]

You can get a very playable set of these denoms in multiple chip sets:
Horseshoe
Empress
PCA
Aztar
For casino used EMPRESS you are about a buck a chip for 5’s and 25’s 3-5/chip for 100’s and 500’s
For a set of horseshoes quite a lot less.

 

[saskbull]

horseshoe cincy 100s would go perfect with those imo. i would call the barrel i got from chip exchange vg condition, so they would fit right in. should be able to find them for 2.50/chip

 

[markleteenie]

Personally, I’d decide whether I want to build a THC or RHC tournament set. Mixing molds?

Of course, YMMV

I don't mind mixing some molds, such as I use Dunes Baccarat 20s with one of my cash sets, the rest THC and a BOH IHC. That's three molds in one set. Maybe that's heresy too!

 

[Sprouty]

Grand Victoria primay 100s would make a good candidate. I didn't want to mention it at first as I'd like to add another rack to my set but to be fair, they would probably suit your set well in both wear and price.

Horsechoe Cleveland 500's would probably also be a solid choice for you if you don't mind them matching your fiver.

 

[markleteenie]

You can get a very playable set of these denoms in multiple chip sets:
Horseshoe
Empress
PCA
Aztar
For casino used EMPRESS you are about a buck a chip for 5’s and 25’s 3-5/chip for 100’s and 500’s
For a set of horseshoes quite a lot less.

I wasn't concerned about getting a multi denom set from the same casino until now....
Just when I thought my wallet was safe, you gotta say something like that.... damn you.....

 

[markleteenie]

Grand Victoria primay 100s would make a good candidate. I didn't want to mention it at first as I'd like to add another rack to my set but to be fair, they would probably suit your set well in both wear and price.

Horsechoe Cleveland 500's would probably also be a solid choice for you if you don't mind them matching your fiver.

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If you're having trouble getting another rack of Grand Vic hundos, I might have a slight issue getting two of them... That is a nice option though!
How much do those Cleveland 500s run (on average)? bec maybe I make it an RHC tourney set (and then @RichMahogany can sleep better too )

 

[Sprouty]

I think you can find them for about $50 a barrel. I have 120 of them as I was in the works of making a mixed RHC set similar to yours. I am not sure if I plan to continue though. Too many projects going on.

 

[markleteenie]

Those are all great options!! I've decided, pending a sale, to go with a third type of chip for the $100 and to just forget about the worn $100s.

RHC $5
THC $25
BCC $100 (fire/star/light/NBC peacock - I'm not sure what the mold is called)
As a placeholder I have $500 Hotstamp THC...

So now I'm looking towards $500/$1000.
If I go for another mold entirely, what are my options?
For Paulson, I know of (various) House, Suited HC, IHC, "Paulson"(like CDI 2005). Are there others out there?
Maybe another BCC mold - small greek key?

 

[markleteenie]

So I am still on the lookout for a cost effective (ideally $1/chip) T500 x 200 replacement for my set. Looking for a different mold still.

Since I have some T1000s and T5000s, I am thinking about running normal "regular season" T5 base tournaments with a potential T25 base championship tournament. Chatting with @pokerplayingpisces about 25/50 tournaments structures.

Considering something like the following starting stacks:

Comments? Advice?

 

[JustinInMN]

So I am still on the lookout for a cost effective (ideally $1/chip) T500 x 200 replacement for my set. Looking for a different mold still.

Since I have some T1000s and T5000s, I am thinking about running normal "regular season" T5 base tournaments with a potential T25 base championship tournament. Chatting with @pokerplayingpisces about 25/50 tournaments structures.

Considering something like the following starting stacks:
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Comments? Advice?

So the thing with base T25 is you don't really need that many T500 to be effective. The common recommendation for T10K is (T25/100/500/1000) 8/8/4/7 or 12/12/5/6 I think really if you are just on the lookout for 100 more T500 you'll have 200/200/100/200

That's enough for 25 stacks of 8/8/4/7 for T5000, or 16 stacks of 12/12/5/6. Tack on one T5000 to either to make T15K. But both formats are food with just 100 T500 chips.

 

[Darson]

I agree with Justin - ditch the T5 base and go to T25. With the chips you have you can do 12/12/3/7/1 for T15k (300BB) and have enough for 16 players. If you need to spread more players then 8/8/4/7/1 for T15k would allow for up to 25. You have plenty of left over T1000s to colour up the 25/100.

So, if you want to replace your hot stamp 500s, you only need a rack, not two.

 

[markleteenie]

So the thing with base T25 is you don't really need that many T500 to be effective. The common recommendation for T10K is (T25/100/500/1000) 8/8/4/7 or 12/12/5/6 I think really if you are just on the lookout for 100 more T500 you'll have 200/200/100/200

That's enough for 25 stacks of 8/8/4/7 for T5000, or 16 stacks of 12/12/5/6. Tack on one T5000 to either to make T15K. But both formats are food with just 100 T500 chips.

I'll have to run those numbers and see how that looks but in general I agree that the 500s probably aren't used as much. I see that the 500/1000 chips overlap and fill mostly the same range.

I agree with Justin - ditch the T5 base and go to T25. With the chips you have you can do 12/12/3/7/1 for T15k (300BB) and have enough for 16 players. If you need to spread more players then 8/8/4/7/1 for T15k would allow for up to 25. You have plenty of left over T1000s to colour up the 25/100.

So, if you want to replace your hot stamp 500s, you only need a rack, not two.

Thanks for those suggestions too, it seems like the consensus is that 1 rack of T500s will do. If I keep the T5 base, will 100 x T500 still cover it? I think so.
Will run some numbers a little later on.

 

[markleteenie]

 

[Darson]

If I keep the T5 base, will 100 x T500 still cover it?

With a T5 base, you can spread 10/10/7/4/2 for T5k (500BB) for up to 20 players - you're limited by your 5s & 25s, not the 500s. The beauty of the T5 base is that with 10/10/7 you get 10 players per rack of each denom and the remaining 100s exactly cover the 5s & 25s for colour-up.

 

[guyfleegman]

This.
I follow the same reasoning for my Tourney set.
That said, I am leaning towards:
5-25-100-500-2000
I don’t plan to ever go over two tables.

 

[markleteenie]

Current set is
200 T5
200 T25
160 T100
120 T500
20 bounty chips(will be 30)

I think I also like the 2k better than the 1k for a T5 base. You get a nice 4x jump.

If you get 2k chips, how many would you get for the set? 40?
Would you remove some of your T500s since you have a bigger chip now?

Also, what are popular 2k colors? What colors are you considering?

 

[markleteenie]

Ok, so can't edit the thread title or the OP anymore, but rather than creating a new thread to bounce my ideas off of, I'm going to try to reuse/recycle this one.


I am working on a T5 base tournament set. I already have a T25 base tournament set.

I am having trouble deciding between a T1000 vs T2000 chip. Thoughts?
Depending on T1000 vs T2000, does the number of T500 chips necessary change too?

Let's start with the first question: T1000 vs T2000 chip?


I think T500 -> T2000 makes more mathematical sense, then just a doubling from T500->T1000. But there's something about the T1000 that is just a nice/standard value...