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An image I didn't need to see, I'm going to go cry in a corner and regerats my life decisions and my current location and lack of great ppl / friends / community to play poker with.
That's a little dramatic for a hat pic with some stray hairs.An image I didn't need to see, I'm going to go cry in a corner and regerats my life decisions and my current location and lack of great ppl / friends / community to play poker with.
Here's a pic that will make you regret clicking.
ChipFinderSK
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looks like the hairs on your head are interpreting “capdash” a little too literally
I haven’t followed every twist & turn of this kerfuffle… But had a small idea which might help settle things down…
What if there were a small symbol people could be urged to add to the inlay/label of any replica or “tribute” chip?
I’m thinking something about the size of that RFID blotch on Jacks and other chips, so it doesn’t spoil inlay designs.
Maybe a capital R or T inside a shape such as a diamond, like this:
Then no one would have to worry that “counterfeits” are being passed off as real. And collectors could tell right away what is a tribute or replica chip.
It wouldn’t justify outright copyright violations, but might settle some arguments where gray areas exist (e.g. old and discontinued molds, defunct casinos).
What if there were a small symbol people could be urged to add to the inlay/label of any replica or “tribute” chip?
I’m thinking something about the size of that RFID blotch on Jacks and other chips, so it doesn’t spoil inlay designs.
Maybe a capital R or T inside a shape such as a diamond, like this:
Then no one would have to worry that “counterfeits” are being passed off as real. And collectors could tell right away what is a tribute or replica chip.
It wouldn’t justify outright copyright violations, but might settle some arguments where gray areas exist (e.g. old and discontinued molds, defunct casinos).
Since nobody is under any obligation to use it, why would they?
I dunno... Maybe out of a sense of honor, and community interest?
Most if not all of the Tina replica orders and others of concern originate from PCFers. And call me naïve, but I find that PCFers have a shared interest in the integrity of their collecting hobby. So I assume that 98% of those here would be glad to participate in an easy solution to pacify the concerns raised.
Lest you think this is just idealistic hoo-ha, here is an example of members wanting to make sure that their replica/tribute chips are clearly marked as such:
When I bought the bulk of my St. Maarten Isle Hotel set, the seller was up front that a small portion of the chips were “replicas” he had produced to match the original $1 chips, in order to make the set more playable. He commissioned these from CPC, as I recall. The inlay they produced specifically says “REPLICA” on it.
Likewise, when I found myself unable to obtain more than a handful of original $100 chips (some of them drilled), I decided to create new $100 and $500 chips for the set, again to improve its playability at 2/5.
I deliberately chose to make the new $100s a different base color to avoid any confusion about their origin. I was able to obtain a rack of milled black HHRs from another member, and produced textured labels on my Cricut machine. I also bought a barrel of Atlantic HHRs from CPC to murder for the $500 labels, again produced on the Cricut.
I decided to call these “tribute” chips rather than replicas, since they are not duplicating the historic SMIH colors:
Here you can see the various types of originals and replicas/tributes together:
If instead there had been a PCF standard “mark” for replicas/tributes, I would have used that instead somewhere in the white area of the label, and kept the original “ST. MAARTEN, N.A.” type on a curve below. Something like this:
I know people tend to resist anything new. But a solution like this seems a lot simpler than arguing endlessly about whether other people’s tributes and replicas and copies are OK.
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Then they would not have copied the SCrown mold in the first place and respected CPC's ownership of it.
Don't get me wrong, I would be tickled pink if this idea would be adopted by the wider community, I just don't think it will be.
I had fracs made for my Grouse Mountain set. I could have made it almost indistinguishable from the real fracs out there, because it's just a solid off white THC chip with a round inlay. I made sure that the aftermarket label had a bright red denom colour instead of black so it couldn't be mistaken. Also couldn't really replicate the dull metallic gold background.
I wonder how the new owners of CPC would react if Tina replicated any and all of their current and historical mold offerings. There's absolutely nothing to stop them.
Isn't the issue that Paulson doesn't sell RHCs to the public? We couldn't get them even if we could afford it?
I know you can buy existing Paulsons, but anyone who wants a full custom job is out of luck in that respect. Unless I'm wrong, and custom Paulson RHCs are available again?
Note I'm not taking any position on this debate. I'm just pointing out that the "Save up for real Paulsons" argument doesn't hold water.
RichMahogany
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It’s easy to get RHCs here, so yes, it is easy to save up and buy them
Customs can be had by amassing vintage THCs or RHCs etc. and doing inlay replacement (costly) or overlabels (an additional cost but not as steep).
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Let’s put another spin on this type of tribute stuff. How about those ac/cobra kit cars? Are they ok? I bet not on ac/cobra web sites, or ?
We talked about this on another thread.
The kit cars pay a license fee to the owners of the car design, right?
If you went to a Shelby car show and 90% of what you saw were kit cars, would you think that was an authentic show?
I would go all-in on 99% (maybe 98%) of all Shelby Cobra’s in existence are kits - lol. IDK if they pay a fee, do they? (Honest question)
@BPTDirector’s question still stands and since we’re being technical, does anyone officially have documented rights to the scrown mold?
There may be a difference between the “moral” and “legality” question here.
IDK the answer to the legal question, but it has been raised as a potential question.
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NoNamePokerGuy
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It's a great idea and a very ethical take on the situation, but not one I'd expect to be adopted by people who are looking to scam people.
DrunkleWade
Two Pair
You make it sound so easy to "save up and buy them". Unlike yourself, I don't live in the US so my exchange rate is crap, my shipping costs are crap and getting anything shipped beyond the CONUS is crap. So saving up versus purchasing an affordable, attractive and good in hand alternative to slugged and cheap plastic junk is refreshing.
Not saying I'm buying cap dash or RHC or anything from China but we all can't afford Paulsons or TRKs. Just saying.
NoNamePokerGuy
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To be fair, in terms of the actual price of RHCs, shipping isn't much and most people in the US don't earn enough to seriously consider buying most sets of RHCs if they are at all being financially responsible. That said, most poker players aren't financially responsible in the first place,
Kid_Eastwood
4 of a Kind
But you can buy something original that is still accordable, attractive and good in hands.
That's the main question here I think.
For ex. I created thèse non-aligned Diamonds mold chips at SF (who created the original cards and diamonds mold and are also a sponsor here) for less than 50c (USD) ea. before shipping from Hong Kong.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/the-bank-red-spade-sunfly-polyclay.127716/#post-2616969
So it's possible to get good chips from fair sellers and keep the price down (ex. using a design that does not require alignement).
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merkong
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What am I looking at?
RichMahogany
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Never said that it was cheap or easy, just possible.
RichMahogany
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lol shit, you caught me.
It’s pretty easy for the most part, unless you’re looking for super rare/unobtanium.
Post a wanted ad and wait
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It’s a kitten obviously
merkong
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Yeah. Not seeing it. As long as nobody breathes on it, I can stack hard boiled eggs twice that high.
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