The Watch Thread (2 Viewers)

[David251999]

My favorite of my collection!

 

[Taghkanic]

Find a guy living in a hut in west Africa and they know what a Rolex is.

Most of the world has heard of Mickey Mouse. I don’t wear a Mickey Mouse watch.

But hey, Africa you say? I was born in Africa.

My father lived there for seven years, working with farmers. My mother taught elementary school.

No one in Malawi knew what a Rolex was, last I was there. If a Malawian had heard of it, they wouldn’t be able to tell you what one looked like. Just a name they’ve heard. Maybe seen one in a movie at most.

I finally bought a Rolex..an Explorer 1…but 24 years and several serious watches into my collecting. That and my Tudor (owned by Rolex) are by far the most accurate watches I own…they lose or gain a half second a day..if that. They are extremely well made.

My father had a stock windfall in the late 1970s and bought a Rolex on impulse while we were on a family vacation in Bermuda. Not at all typical of him, he was the kind of guy who worn the same pants until they were threadbare. Anyway, the Rolex was constantly broken, and eventually he gave up on repairs, putting it in a dresser drawer never to be worn again.... My mother probably ditched it after he died. I should ask, I guess.

My advice for a 30 something is to take that Rolex money and put it in an index fund…assuming they are maxing out their 401K and have no dept other than maybe a car loan and a mortgage. Never ever take a loan for a luxury item.

On that at least we agree.

 

[Cratty]

Wake up in a bad mood and decide to continue litigation? Ha

 

[Taghkanic]

My collection, such as it is, consists almost entirely of $30-$75 Timexes—watches I can beat up when chainsawing trees, splitting wood, repairing the tractor, etc.). They’re pretty damn reliable. And some of them

Then I also collect one other somewhat unusual brand of watches—see the next post if interested.

But first let me say up front: Watch collecting is a pretentious hobby. I’m pretentious for engaging in it. And so is everyone else here, unless you collect $10 digital watches from Walmart, or never wear your watches anywhere but your own basement.

Why pretentious? Because let’s be honest, we’re all showing off.

We may tell ourselves that we just collect watches for ourselves, not to impress anyone. Yeah, OK, sure... Same way your spouse wants that $3,500 dress for the wedding or her 20th college reunion... just for herself. Not to impress anyone at the event, or to get compliments, or anything.

Or we lie to ourselves that no really, we need that $5,000 Sinn 3006 because in Germany they only allow hunting at night by moonlight, so we need a moonphase watch. Again, rokay, get a smartwatch for that... Or pretty much any other info-driven watch “need.” I’m pretty sure the Apple Ultra can tell you the moon phase for both tonight and every day for the rest of human history.

Watches are jewelry. They are visible to other people, unless you ave a pocket watch hidden in the vest of your three-piece suit. Somehow I notice people with pocket watches *always* manage to find a need to take them out and wind them.

We want people to notice our watch. No one ever notices mine, but that doesn’t stop me hoping someone will ask. And now I’m pretentiously going to show you my Braun collection, which probably won’t impress anyone but hey it’s the Watch Thread...

 

[Taghkanic]

 

[Taghkanic]

Braun. Why Braun?

Most Americans know this as a company that makes shavers, and maybe coffee grinders.

But since the 1950s in Germany and soon worldwide, Braun has been among the very most influential designer and manufacturer of mass-market products, starting with their gorgeous and revolutionary new record players, hi-fis, and other electronics... then branching out into many other areas, including watches.

SK 4 Phonosuper, 1956​

Braun TP1, 1959​

Though there have been many talented industrial designers at Braun, the real legend is a guy named Dieter Rams—who took them from a staid producer of wooden radios to products like the one above, which caught the world on fire when introduced at a trade fair in the mid-50s.

One measure of Rams’ colossal influence is that many of the most famous and popular Apple products from 2000-2020 (the Jony Ive era) are inspired by, and sometimes almost straight-up copies, of classic Braun products:

https://www.cultofmac.com/news/the-braun-products-that-inspired-apples-iconic-designs-gallery

Rams has articulated his minimalist approach to design through 10 widely-cited principles:

Ten Principles for Good Design​

by Dieter Rams

1. Good design is innovative​

   The possibilities for progression are not, by any means, exhausted. Technological development is always offering new opportunities for original designs. But imaginative design always develops in tandem with improving technology, and can never be an end in itself.

2. Good design makes a product useful​

   A product is bought to be used. It has to satisfy not only functional, but also psychological and aesthetic criteria. Good design emphasizes the usefulness of a product whilst disregarding anything that could detract from it.

3. Good design is aesthetic​

   The aesthetic quality of a product is integral to its usefulness because products are used every day and have an effect on people and their well-being. Only well-executed objects can be beautiful.

4. Good design makes a product understandable​

   It clarifies the product’s structure. Better still, it can make the product clearly express its function by making use of the user’s intuition. At best, it is self-explanatory.

5. Good design is unobtrusive​

   Products fulfilling a purpose are like tools. They are neither decorative objects nor works of art. Their design should therefore be both neutral and restrained, to leave room for the user’s self-expression.

6. Good design is honest​

   It does not make a product appear more innovative, powerful or valuable than it really is. It does not attempt to manipulate the consumer with promises that cannot be kept.

7. Good design is long-lasting​

   It avoids being fashionable and therefore never appears antiquated. Unlike fashionable design, it lasts many years – even in today’s throwaway society.

8. Good design is thorough down to the last detail​

   Nothing must be arbitrary or left to chance. Care and accuracy in the design process show respect towards the consumer.

9. Good design is environmentally friendly​

   Design makes an important contribution to the preservation of the environment. It conserves resources and minimizes physical and visual pollution throughout the lifecycle of the product.

10. Good design is as little design as possible​

    Less, but better. Simple as possible but not simpler. Good design elevates the essential functions of a product.

I bought my first Braun watch in 2014, the BN0082. It was my only watch for about a decade, until I had to send it to Europe for a repair. (This is one real drawback to collecting Braun watches—it often requires shipping it to a subsidiary named Zeon in the U.K. if you need something fixed. Fortunately Zeon is quite responsive and does not charge much, but the shipping costs and delays can be a pain.)

Another small issue with Braun collecting is that their bracelets (straps) are often rather customized... So it is not enough to get a replacement strap with the same lug width as the original, because Braun is very particular about the look of how they attach. I found a company in Germany which carries replacements for most of their models, but few of them are interchangeable.

This Milanese-style mesh bracelet has become much more widespread in the past decade, but at the time it was a first for me. (Yup, you could get one on the 1st gen Apple Watch.)

I loved the restrained dark grey face, and the Bauhaus-y look. This is the only Braun I paid retail for, and it was only about $225 at the time. With all my others, I have just lurked on eBay and Poshmark and waited to find used Brauns for anything from 1/4-1/3rd list price.

 

[Taghkanic]

Curiously, it is very hard to find any commentary on Braun watches, despite their huge and longstanding influence on industrial design (generic term for the creation of mass market products). I’ve only found one guy who occasionally reviews them. There was a 4-5 year period when it seems they had some quality control issues, and the watch community dismissed them. Also these are not luxury watches—few if any reach the $1,000 price point, mainly limited editions; and many are in the $150-$500 range. However, I love all of my Brauns, and enjoy cycling through the five above (the smallest sixth one belongs to my s.o., because the synthetic bracelet gave me a rash).

 

[Cratty]

Wish you led with the Braun watch and history/appreciation vs calling the hobby pretentious! Might have gotten somewhere. Ha

Do appreciate the watches though, was not aware of some of their pioneering of certain minimalistic design elements.

 

[Old State]

Most of the world has heard of Mickey Mouse. I don’t wear a Mickey Mouse watch.

But hey, Africa you say? I was born in Africa.

My father lived there for seven years, working with farmers. My mother taught elementary school.

No one in Malawi knew what a Rolex was, last I was there. If a Malawian had heard of it, they wouldn’t be able to tell you what one looked like. Just a name they’ve heard. Maybe seen one in a movie at most.



My father had a stock windfall in the late 1970s and bought a Rolex on impulse while we were on a family vacation in Bermuda. Not at all typical of him, he was the kind of guy who worn the same pants until they were threadbare. Anyway, the Rolex was constantly broken, and eventually he gave up on repairs, putting it in a dresser drawer never to be worn again.... My mother probably ditched it after he died. I should ask, I guess.



On that at least we agree.

Arguing that Rolex isnt one of the most well known brands on the planet AND that they are unreliable is amazing even for you. But you would argue that water isnt wet.

If your Dad was cheap and unexpectedly bought a Rolex in the 1970s there is a high chance it was fake. That or he screwed it up somehow by leaving the crown open under water etc. You couldn’t find a professional Watchmaker (that was watch mechanics are called) on the planet that would say a Rolex, older or modern, isn't one of, if not the MOST, reliable and accurate mechanical watch made. There are other super well made and durable and accurate watches that are just as good but none are better


Rolex Submariners were one of the first watches issued to Navy SEALs and many other Special operation units across the globe. Many units switched to Tudor, Rolex’s less expensive brand, and some others when Rolex got too expensive. While many have moved to G Shocks in the digital era, many still wear Rolex by choice and some are still issued Tudors

It was a common practice in the super elite Tier 1 Special Operations community and among counter intelligence people during the GWAT to wear Rolexes as they were bombproof but also most people all over the globe new they were valuable and could be traded for a flight, food, weapons etc in an emergency. Something often mentions in interviews and memoirs

Chuck Yeager famously wore a Rolex GMT his entire career when flying as a test pilot! While the Omega Speedmaster was the official watch issued by NASA for the Apollo Astronauts, many wore there own Rolex GMTs from their test pilot days








https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-blog/just-because/military-time-rolex-armed-forces.html

https://www.watchesofespionage.com/blogs/woe-dispatch/secret-service-unit-watches-tudor-omega-rolex

 

[Taghkanic]

Arguing that Rolex isnt one of the most well known brands on the planet

I didn’t argue that. I implied that you don’t know jack about poor people in Africa.

In Malawi, where I was born, the average monthly income is *** $65 per month. *** Barely $2 a day. Not a lot of spare time to browse luxury watches.

Westerners foolishly think the whole world follows and worships our consumer culture.

AND that they are unreliable is amazing even for you. But you would argue that water isnt wet.

My father’s was unreliable.

Joe Rogan says his Rolex loses 15 minutes a month

Are most Rolexes reliable? Probably. But the marketing hype has holes.

If your Dad was cheap and unexpectedly bought a Rolex in the 1970s there is a high chance it was fake.

Nah, bought from a very fancy jeweler in Hamilton, Bermuda, with authentication.

And there were far fewer fakes 50 years ago.

That or he screwed it up somehow by leaving the crown open under water etc.

Nope. But he did do tons of outdoor work, and his Rolex wasn’t durable enough.

Probably they are solid for people who don’t do any labor more strenuous than folding their ascots and pocket squares.

 

[Old State]

My father’s was unreliable.

Joe Rogan says his Rolex loses 15 minutes a month

Are most Rolexes reliable? Probably. But the marketing hype has holes.

Nope. But he did do tons of outdoor work, and his Rolex wasn’t durable enough.

Probably they are solid for people who don’t do any labor more strenuous than folding their ascots and pocket squares.

You were born if Africa so you are somehow an expert in the effect of marketing on the continent. The comment was half tongue and cheek but I guarantee Coca Cola and Rolex are very well recognized brands in Africa

Joe Rogan never said 15 mins a month. Why would you make up crap like that?. He said 5 mins over several months.

Joe Rogan also clearly doesn’t know about watches. He says they can’t “recalibrate it”. First it’s called “regulating” and Rolex guaranteed + or -2 second per day, which is about as accurate as you can possibly make a standard mechanical watch. If it’s outside those specs Rolex will repair free of charge. If Joe Rogans watch was +2 spd it would be 5 minutes fast in 5 months.

You also need to get mechanical watches serviced every 3 to 10 years, depending on the watch

Rolex was sold as a tool watch and it wasn’t until the late 1970s when they started making their watches in gold that they because status symbols.

There is no way a genuine Rolex was broken all the time because it want durable enough. What model was it? What brand do you think would have been more durable? Was he operating a jackhammer with it on?

Not tough enough for your dads yard work but tough enough for SEALS, test pilots and moon landings



When you are in a hole stop digging

 

[Taghkanic]

Wish you led with the Braun watch and history/appreciation vs calling the hobby pretentious!

But it is a pretentious hobby. I’m pretentious, you’re pretentious, we all are pretentious for thinking we are important enough to collect wristwatches which cost more than $15.

I mean... 75% of 21st century humans don’t even wear watches, let alone collect expensive ones.

Do appreciate the watches though, was not aware of some of their pioneering of certain minimalistic design elements.

Braun’s influence is so now so pervasive it’s hard to know where to begin.

For example, I just learned recently that Rams is credited with creating the concept of a volume control knob which also serves as an on/off switch on stereos.

Like... The kind of volume control knob which is now used almost everywhere on everything. Apparently he got a lot of pushback when he proposed this, then people saw that, duh, that is 10 times better.

 

[Taghkanic]

You were born if Africa so you are somehow an expert in the effect of marketing on the continent. The comment was half tongue and cheek but I guarantee Coca Cola and Rolex are very well recognized brands in Africa

McDonald’s is better known than Rolex worldwide, and has more customers and total sales. Must be great food. Will you be taking your spouse to McDonald’s for your 40th wedding anniversary or nah?

And right there is the logical fallacy I see you (and others like you) constantly repeating: That if something is very well-known and very popular it must therefore be superior.

But I guess Taylor Swift is the greatest musician who ever lived, and Mountain Dew is a better drink than Chateauneuf du Pape.

Joe Rogan never said 15 mins a month. Why would you make up crap like that?. He said 5 mins over several months.

Either way, it’s pretty inaccurate.

A Casio G-Shock is doesn't lose 15 or 5 or even 1 minute per month. The worst smartwatch can still update the exact time digitally from Greenwich or dozens of other servers a billion times per day.

So if accuracy is truly your goal, the last thing you should buy is a $5-$15K mechanical watch.

You also need to get mechanical watches serviced every 3 to 10 years, depending on the watch

Yeah... And that’s not ideal.

There is no way a genuine Rolex was broken all the time because it want durable enough. What model was it? What brand do you think would have been more durable? Was he operating a jackhammer with it on?

So you’re suggesting that a 100-year-old jeweler, in a British colony, which was a licensed Rolex dealer, was selling fakes... And that licensed Rolex repair services worked multiple times on my Dad’s watch without saying this is a fake?

The level of cope here to justify your purchase is hilarious. You have to reach for completely absurd scenarios to make your case.

Not tough enough for your dads yard work but tough enough for SEALS, test pilots and moon landings

All you're saying with this comment is that you are the target audience for gee-whiz marketing.

My dad spent most of his warm-weather weekends doing stuff like running and servicing his own (large) tractor, chainsawing trees and splitting firewood, rebuilding stone walls, building a new dock for our rowboat or building us boys a treehouse, etc.

His Rolex was just not up to those tasks.

I’m sure most of Rolexes are durable. But it is just silly to suggest that a company manufacturing 800,000 to 1,200,000 watches annually does not have a certain percentage of lemons.

Your average Casio, Citizen or Timex is likely just as durable. And in any case, if one of those fails, you can replace it 50-100 times before reaching the price of a Rolex.

 

[Taghkanic]

Got a compliment on the 4th one down last night. First time that has ever happened. As with quality poker chips, most people just don’t notice other people’s watches.

Honestly I wish the two chronographs were not chronos, because I have zero use for those functions, and they just busy up the watch face. But they are still great-looking watches so I can live with it.

The one on the bottom (which won a ton of design awards) is a hybrid, with a small circular digital display at 6 o’clock. It has very basic additional features, like a step-counter, perpetual calendar, stopwatch, alarm, etc.

Here are two more classic Braun products some of you may recognize:

Sixtant 4004 (1979)

T1000 Short Wave Radio (1969)

Nizo Super 8 camera (1975)

 

[Old State]

The people that want to show off usually buy one watch…a watch they know will be recognize.

Either way, it’s pretty inaccurate.

A Casio G-Shock is doesn't lose 15 or 5 or even 1 minute per month. The worst smartwatch can still update the exact time digitally from Greenwich or dozens of other servers a billion times per day.

So if accuracy is truly your goal, the last thing you should buy is a $5-$15K mechanical watch.



My dad spent most of his warm-weather weekends doing stuff like running and servicing his own (large) tractor, chainsawing trees and splitting firewood, rebuilding stone walls, building a new dock for our rowboat or building us boys a treehouse, etc.

His Rolex was just not up to those tasks.

I’m sure most of Rolexes are durable. But it is just silly to suggest that a company manufacturing 800,000 to 1,200,000 watches annually does not have a certain percentage of lemons.

Your average Casio, Citizen or Timex is likely just as durable. And in any case, if one of those fails, you can replace it 50-100 times before reaching the price of a Rolex.

15 mins a month and 5 minutes over 5 months are completely different things.

Calling +2spd not accurate for a mechanical watch, among your other comments, clearly illustrates you have absolutely positively no clue what you are talking about.

You have a history of diving head first into topics you know nothing about….but coming with very strong opinions. It’s crazy to see. The tone is always to imply you know better as well…which make you look even goofier You have no clue how foolish you sound. It’s the equivalent of claiming you are a poker enthusiast but not knowing a flush beats a straight.

Coming on a watch thread to bash watch collectors is bad enough. Proving to anyone who actually knows about watches that you have zero clue what you are talking about is hilarious. You have zero self awareness. This a is behavior you have demonstrated across this forum on various topics and you do it all the time. There seems to be odd psychological issue motivating you to do this

As for Rolex Yeah I’m sure they have a lemon or two. Those are repaired or replaced under warranty. But you didn’t bring that story up to claim they make a few lemons. You implied Rolex as a brand was unreliable. Which is an incredibly ignorant and uninformed comment

Your comments about Casio etc are irrelevant. In 2026 people aren’t buying high end mechanical watches solely for durability…even though they are. You are all over the place and clearly starting to just make up shit.

 

[Old State]

Braun doesn’t make the movements in any of those watches. They are fashion watches with cheap quartz movements likely from china. They may design them aesthetically but they are nice looking but they are of zero mechanical interest….which is a major attraction of watches to collectors.

The fact you bring them up on a watch enthusiast thread ….especially after insulting watch collectors…is hilarious….and again shows your complete lack of self awareness and knowledge on the topic

 

[ekricket]

The people that want to show off usually buy one watch…a watch they know will be recognize.

15 mins a month and 5 minutes over 5 months are completely different things.

Calling +2spd not accurate for a mechanical watch, among your other comments, clearly illustrates you have absolutely positively no clue what you are talking about.

You have a history of diving head first into topics you know nothing about….but coming with very strong opinions. It’s crazy to see. The tone is always to imply you know better as well…which make you look even goofier You have no clue how foolish you sound. It’s the equivalent of claiming you are a poker enthusiast but not knowing a flush beats a straight.

Coming on a watch thread to bash watch collectors is bad enough. Proving to anyone who actually knows about watches that you have zero clue what you are talking about is hilarious. You have zero self awareness. This a is behavior you have demonstrated across this forum on various topics and you do it all the time. There seems to be odd psychological issue motivating you to do this

As for Rolex Yeah I’m sure they have a lemon or two. Those are repaired or replaced under warranty. But you didn’t bring that story up to claim they make a few lemons. You implied Rolex as a brand was unreliable. Which is an incredibly ignorant and uninformed comment

Your comments about Casio etc are irrelevant. In 2026 people aren’t buying high end mechanical watches solely for durability…even though they are. You are all over the place and clearly starting to just make up shit.

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Ummm this site is full of people that shit on what they can’t have. Constantly. And they don’t wipe between shits.
It won’t be long before the “victims of society” that don’t want to afford a Rolex or Hublot come along and start whining if this thread keeps getting bumped.
Then the “defender of justice” will come along and tell us how we should be wearing our watches and how we should sell our watches and build schools in Africa, all the while bragging about all the watches he’s had and how he gave them away to “friends”.

 

[Taghkanic]

Braun doesn’t make the movements in any of those watches. They are fashion watches with cheap quartz movements likely from china. They may design them aesthetically but they are nice looking but they are of zero mechanical interest….which is a major attraction of watches to collectors.

The fact you bring them up on a watch enthusiast thread ….especially after insulting watch collectors…is hilarious….and again shows your complete lack of self awareness and knowledge on the topic

Funny how you lecture people about spouting off about what they don’t know.

Braun watches vary enormously as far as where and how they are made, depending on their age and provenance.

There are Brauns made in or from parts sourced from Germany, China, Switzerland, Japan, England, etc. depending on the model and age. There are mass-market Brauns and speciap limited editions and some models which haven’t been produced in decades.

You sound like a chipping newbie who thinks that all Paulsons are the same.

Meanwhile, if you were actually knowledgeable about watch manufacture, you would know that claims like “German Made” are about as meaningful as labeling a food product “All Natural.”

Very few watches today have single-country parts origins, from what I have read. They may be assembled in the country named, but often draw parts from all over.

And that is a good thing if the company is selecting the best available parts, not just pretending that one country makes the best of everything.

Anyway, you should consider one of these $400 watches. I bet they are as reliable as the company they are parodying.

 

[Old State]

Ummm this site is full of people that shit on what they can’t have. Constantly. And they don’t wipe between shits.
It won’t be long before the “victims of society” that don’t want to afford a Rolex or Hublot come along and start whining if this thread keeps getting bumped.
Then the “defender of justice” will come along and tell us how we should be wearing our watches and how we should sell our watches and build schools in Africa, all the while bragging about all the watches he’s had and how he gave them away to “friends”.

There is definitely that. But there is even more with this guy. It’s the habitual reflexive contrarian thing and opining on topics he knows absolutely nothing about.

A guy posts a picture of his new Rolex and he shows up to tell everyone how he thinks watches are stupid and people that buy Rolex’s are all idiots. Then demonstrates he knows absolutely nothing about the topic

If there was a thread on sports cars he would enter the conversation saying how it’s stupid to own a cars like that because the speed limit is 75 on the highway and then tell us how fast his Chevy Spark is.

The same guy who went on for pages insulting anyone who preferred bridge sized cards and claiming the only reason casinos use them was becasue they are cheaper


I mean….this couldn’t be more accurate

https://www.psychmechanics.com/contrarian-personality/

 

[Old State]

Funny how you lecture people about spouting off about what they don’t know.

Braun watches vary enormously as far as where and how they are made, depending on their age and provenance.

There are Brauns made in or from parts sourced from Germany, China, Switzerland, Japan, England, etc. depending on the model and age. There are mass-market Brauns and speciap limited editions and some models which haven’t been produced in decades.

You sound like a chipping newbie who thinks that all Paulsons are the same.

Meanwhile, if you were actually knowledgeable about watch manufacture, you would know that claims like “German Made” are about as meaningful as labeling a food product “All Natural.”

Very few watches today have single-country parts origins, from what I have read. They may be assembled in the country named, but often draw parts from all over.

And that is a good thing if the company is selecting the best available parts, not just pretending that one country makes the best of everything.

Anyway, you should consider one of these $400 watches. I bet they are as reliable as the company they are parodying.

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WTF are you rambling about now?? I’ve been following the watch community and collecting for 25 years. I don’t watch TV ….I watch YouTube and the algorithm sends me a dozen watch industry videos a day. I watch most of them.

It’s not what I don’t know ….its that among watch enthusiasts…No one cares about Braun watches. They are a fashion watch with a cheap quartz movement powered by a battery. Even If they had one with a third party ETA or Miyota movement they would be a little more interesting. It’s just bauhaus design that many others do . If I wanted that, I’d look at Nomos , which is far more interesting and they make their own movements..



Don’t understand the point of the made is Germany statement ….more random gibberish. And yes, your relax watch has been a thing for years with Seiko moders. Making watches on Seiko movements is a sub hobby. The most famous channel on YouTube is Lume Shot. Been watching him for years. He also owns several Rolex and other +$10k watches


The Paulson analogy is beyond stupid . Braun are China clays…they look like a legit watch but inside they are department store watches


Haven’t you embarrassed yourself enough yet?

 

[Taghkanic]

It’s not what I don’t know ….its that among watch enthusiasts…No one cares about Braun watches. They are a fashion watch with a cheap quartz movement powered by a battery.

All you’re proving here is that you’re a watch snob whose ideas about “good” watches were formed several decades ago and haven’t evolved.

And a cheap quartz movement from the 21st century is superior to 99% of watches from 100 years ago. The accuracy and reliability of today’s cheap watches would astound your great-grandfathers.

Anyway, Braun over its history has made a wide variety of watches. This one (which I picked up this year at a great price on eBay) won a Red Dot award in 2013, German Design award in 2014, and iF Design Award also in 2014... It has a sapphire crystal, and is machined from a single piece of stainless steel. It was designed for Braun by the renowned Studio Hannes Wettstein in Switzerland:

https://www.red-dot.org/project/bn0095-30663

Even If they had one with a third party ETA or Miyota movement they would be a little more interesting. It’s just bauhaus design that many others do . If I wanted that, I’d look at Nomos , which is far more interesting and they make their own movements..

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It’s a nice look, but wholly derivative of Braun. Braun is credited with bringing this aesthetic to the mass market in the 1950s based on early 20th Century Bauhaus principles. All the other minimalist industrial designers of today are copying, and pretty much any of them with any intellectual honesty would admit they idolize Braun.

But following your logic a knockoff Rolex is good, as long as it looks Rolex-ish.

P.S. The designer of the Braun 0095 mentioned above... went on to design for Nomos a few years later. Q.E.D. But you say Nomos must be better.. probably because I mentioned Braun so you can’t acknowledge that company’s influence.

Don’t understand the point of the made is Germany statement ….more random gibberish.

As usual, anything you are unable or unwilling to understand you characterize as “gibberish.” Got it. That’s your defense mechanism against cognitive dissonance, or just being shown up.

Haven’t you embarrassed yourself enough yet?

What’s embarrassing is a self-declared watch expert saying stuff like “My overpriced watch is good because it went into space... with real life astronauts!”

Know how many watches have been into space? Nearly 2,000 different models.

Lots of Omegas, which apparently are NASA’s preference—not Rolex. Lots of Seikos. Bulovas. Plenty of Russian watches people here haven’t heard of. But also Swatches and Casios and Citizens and Timexes. Some guy made a database of them all:

https://datastudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/40738bd5-c07f-41f2-aaad-ca5b0aaf9602/

I went as a kid to the Air & Space Museum in D.C., and got a Space Pen in the gift store. The pen which went into space! With astronauts! It can write upside down! Guess what... That pen was kind of meh. An ordinary BIC rollerball was as good or better for doing my homework. And I didn't have to order special inserts in the mail when the ink ran out.

If going into space is important to you, maybe change your handle to KidState.

A watch going into space proves nothing. It’s also irrelevant: I am not riding on any rockets, not going into zero gravity, not experiencing massive gforces, not splashing down in the ocean. I need something to tell me the time, and optionally maybe the date, and for it preferably to look good. 99.8% of what I need from a watch can be had for under $1,000, preferably under $500, or even $100.

 

[Old State]

I got to “you are watch snob” The rest is insane gibberish and a ton of Strawman arguments with some crazy chart at the end

I’m not a watch snob…I’m a very knowledgeable watch enthusiast because I’ve been educating myself in the topic for over 25 years. The average person would have no idea what my watches are…so they aren’t for “showing off”

You are a buffoon with a history of entering into threads simply to stir up shit and opine on topics you have zero understanding of. You are just a shit talking troll that gets off on taking the opposite position on any topic where there’s a consensus . It’s like you can’t control yourself or go more than a couple weeks without it.

By the way…did you even see my post about Omega? I own a Speedmaster not a Rolex GMT. The story of the moon watch and watches worn by astronauts is one of the most common topics in the watch community. Obviously that’s unknown to you because you aren’t into watches…you just want to give everyone your uneducated opinions.

The fact you looked up that dumb chart is hysterical . I guess better than your usual Chat GPT crap. You seem both stupid and crazy. You had some serious mental issues.

 

[Budha]

And a cheap quartz movement from the 21st century is superior to 99% of watches from 100 years ago. The accuracy and reliability of today’s cheap watches would astound your great-grandfathers.

That is correct. However what makes the watch from 100 years ago interesting is the skill, knowledge, and ingenuity required to design and build it.

Which is also precisely the reason why a mass produced modern quartz is not as interesting.

 

[alwayson22]

My favorite (and only) manual winding watch

I have the Moonwatch, as well. The speedmaster makes for a great all-purpose watch (business or casual).

 

[Old State]

I have the Moonwatch, as well. The speedmaster makes for a great all-purpose watch (business or casual).

So after posting this my neighbor and I decided to play cards at this small casino nearby. I decided to wear the Speedmaster. About 5 minutes after I sit down the guy to my left says “thats a great watch. Is that the Hesalite version? “. I was like “yes it is and I’m very impressed you could tell it was the Hesalite crystal!”

This is only the third time anyone has ever noticed and commented on that watch. Speedmasters are the ultimate secret handshake watch nerd watch.

 

[Taghkanic]

Braun doesn’t make the movements in any of those watches. They are fashion watches with cheap quartz movements likely from china. They may design them aesthetically but they are nice looking but they are of zero mechanical interest….which is a major attraction of watches to collectors.

The fact you bring them up on a watch enthusiast thread ….especially after insulting watch collectors…is hilarious….and again shows your complete lack of self awareness and knowledge on the topic

Here is the highly popular and extremely knowledgeable watch blogger, vlogger and retailer Teddy Baldessa running down his favorite Minimalist watches…

First on his list? One of the cheapest Braun models:

This is a guy whose attention all the most expensive watchmakers crave, inviting him to their factories and workshops and launches.

But a guy who thinks going to outer space is the acid test of watch value knows better. n0bOdY tALkS aBoUt BrAuN

 

[Old State]

Here is the highly popular and extremely knowledgeable watch blogger, vlogger and retailer Teddy Baldessa running down his favorite Minimalist watches…

First on his list? One of the cheapest Braun models:

This is a guy whose attention all the most expensive watchmakers crave, inviting him to their factories and workshops and launches.

But a guy who thinks going to outer space is the acid test of watch value knows better. n0bOdY tALkS aBoUt BrAuN

Everyone knows this guy. You just found him searching YouTube.

This is one of your top 10 dumbest posts ever. It’s literally first on the list ONLY because it’s the cheapest I’m starting to realize the major reason behind your dopey posts is a low IQ combined with laziness


He does cheap watch videos like everyone to get viewers. One of the main reasons watch people like watches is because they are little mechanical machines powered by a spring. Quartz watches are not interesting. It’s like building a car that looks like a Ferrari but isn’t…,and has a electric electric motor in it

You would be better just giving up here. You are making an even bigger ass of yourself…but keep going. Your reputation has been cemented already

 

[DirtyTIVA]

Quartz watches are not interesting. It’s like building a car that looks like a Ferrari but isn’t…,and has a electric electric motor in it

Technically Ferrari is about to unveil exactly this with a 647k base price.

 

[Old State]

Technically Ferrari is about to unveil exactly this with a 647k base price.

I’m sure they have felt pressure to do this and I’m sure it will be more than a lawn mower engine. I also doubt it will be very popular among exotic car enthusiasts….but Ferrari is like Rolex and creates waiting lists…so some people will buy it simply because they can. It will likely be incredibly fast as all electric cars are…but won’t sound like a Ferrari

Harley Davidson created this bike 20 years ago. My Dad bought one and there was a wait list initially. It’s now considered one of the worst flops in HD history. My Dad lost half the value only a few years later.


That said let’s not get off on a tangent. Anyone who is part of the watch enthusiast community knows quartz watches are not considered “real” watches. Mechanical watches are why most are interested. The closest is the Grand Seiko Spring Drive …with is a mechanical watch that powers a quarts regulator for extreme accuracy. It’s in the grey zone but Grand Seiko is so highly respected for over all watch making and finishing its considered a cool thing. It’s also very expensive

 

[mipevi]

Anyone who is part of the watch enthusiast community knows quartz watches are not considered “real” watches.

I'm sure there are people who think that, but that's like saying only compression clays are considered "real" poker chips, and to suggest that thinking otherwise disqualifies one as part of an enthusiast community is gatekeeping and dumb. The "quartz crisis" from '70s to '80s forced a shift for mechanical watch makers to focus their marketing towards the luxury segment and if someone drank that Kool-Aid as a teen or a young man, today many of those people would likely consider mechanical watches to be superior without a second thought. I think that kind of attitude has started to change though, as quartz and mechanical are now both well represented on an enthusiast forum like watchuseek.