Tourney T500 but without the zeros? (1 Viewer)

[FearlessFred]

I'm sold on the idea of T500, 1k, 5k, 25k, in terms of efficiency and playability but am slightly concerned that the high value denoms will cause issues and confusion.

How about an unconventional T5 or T50 set instead?

T5, 10, 50, 250
or
T50, 100, 500, 2500

I'd lean towards the T50 though the 2.5k is certainly an uncommon chip.

Thoughts?

 

[FestiveKnight]

T5 is not unheard of by any means. https://www.pokerchipforum.com/posts/1149614/

Why would you lean towards T50?

 

[mipevi]

I'm sold on the idea of T500, 1k, 5k, 25k, in terms of efficiency and playability but am slightly concerned that the high value denoms will cause issues and confusion.

The 2x jump between T500 and T1000 is not efficient, but it works and is easy for people to keep track of. If you are concerned about using higher denoms, why wouldn't you just do a regular T5 or T25 base then?

How about an unconventional T5 or T50 set instead?

T5, 10, 50, 250

No. T5, 25, 100, 500, 1000/2000

T50, 100, 500, 2500

No. T25, 100, 500, 1000, 5000

Thoughts?

No need to reinvent the wheel here. Also, T2000 is more playable than T2500 IMO.

 

[FearlessFred]

The 2x jump between T500 and T1000 is not efficient, but it works and is easy for people to keep track of. If you are concerned about using higher denoms, why wouldn't you just do a regular T5 or T25 base then?


No. T5, 25, 100, 500, 1000/2000


No. T25, 100, 500, 1000, 5000


No need to reinvent the wheel here. Also, T2000 is more playable than T2500 IMO.

I'm saying that I think T500 is the best breakdown. My question is why not just remove some zeros?

 

[doublebooyah85]

T5 is not unconventional and easy to build if you can use cash sets.

 

[FearlessFred]

T5 is not unconventional and easy to build if you can use cash sets.

i'm not talking about conventional T5,25,100 etc.

I'm thinking about T500, with two zeros removed, ie:

T5,10,50,250.

My cash set is .10, .50, 2 which might be a bit close

 

[doublebooyah85]

i'm not talking about conventional T5,25,100 etc.

I'm thinking about T500, with two zeros removed, ie:

T5,10,50,250.

My cash set is .10, .50, 2 which might be a bit close

I don’t like it, but to each their own!

 

[mipevi]

I'm saying that I think T500 is the best breakdown. My question is why not just remove some zeros?

The reason you shouldn't just remove some zeros is that you end up with funky denominations that are less intuitive for people to play with. But you do you.

 

[justsomedude]

i'm not talking about conventional T5,25,100 etc.

I'm thinking about T500, with two zeros removed, ie:

T5,10,50,250.

My cash set is .10, .50, 2 which might be a bit close

Seems a bit wonky. But I guess you could make it work. You might end up with some oddball levels and confused players.

Typical progression in tournament chips is 4x-5x between denoms. The obvious deviation from this rule being the T1000 in standard chipsets, but it helps reduce the quantity of T500s needed and helps players make (and dealers see) clear/obvious bets like 1600, 2800, 3900 during earlier levels. It also assists with making change.

That being said, there are some people who swear by a T2000 or T2500 denom. Just search the forum for “T2000” and you will see this topic being debated.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

T5 progression can also be done 10/10/7/x (10/10/7 is T1000), and the numbers will be exact like a T500.

For an even number of players, adding T100s works out exactly, as 20 T5s and 20 T25s total T00 and T500 respectively. If you have an odd number but have a set designed for an even number (like a 10 person set playing with 9 players), you'll have an extra 2 T25s to put in when coloring up the T5s, which will make the T25 change come out even when coloring them up later.

That being said, it's up to you what denominations you choose, no matter if they are standard or unique is your decision.

 

[guyfleegman]

I understand the assignment!

I am considering the same idea.
Just run your set like a cash set:
.50-1-5-25
You are just moving the decimal 3 spots left or divide by 1000.

 

[FearlessFred]

I understand the assignment!

I am considering the same idea.
Just run your set like a cash set:
.50-1-5-25
You are just moving the decimal 3 spots left or divide by 1000.

Exactly! Thank you

 

[upNdown]

I'm all for removing the zeros - there's no need for them. But I'm also against non-traditional denoms like T250 or T2000. Just use whatever denominations your players are used to using, because like @mipevi said, oddball denominations aren't intuitive to play with.

 

[FearlessFred]

I'm all for removing the zeros - there's no need for them. But I'm also against non-traditional denoms like T250 or T2000. Just use whatever denominations your players are used to using, because like @mipevi said, oddball denominations aren't intuitive to play with.

Why is T25 or T25000 more intuitive than t250 or t2500?

 

[guyfleegman]

The debate is moot for what we are talking about here:
The denoms end up being .50-1-5-25
Not 5-10-50-250

IF you run 5-10-50-250 for a tournament, your people will need time to get used to it but they will.

 

[mipevi]

Why is T25 or T25000 more intuitive than t250 or t2500?

Assuming this is a serious question, we count in tens and hundreds of ones and thousands. White technically the same amounts, 200 is not generally seen as twenty tens and 5000 as fifty hundreds.

 

[upNdown]

Why is T25 or T25000 more intuitive than t250 or t2500?

Only because people are used to playing with T25s and T25,000, and they’re not used to playing with T250s and T2500s.
I’ve seen it firsthand, when I tried to use $2.50 chips in a cash game. It gave me trouble (and I had a semester and a half at Seton Hall.)

Odd denominations like that can cause people to misclick bets, can make estimating opponents stacks more difficult, and can just require more thinking time.
Do what you want, and if you’re playing with the same group of guys, they’ll probably all get used to it in no time. I’m just saying those denoms can be annoying if you’re not used to them.

 

[FearlessFred]

Assuming this is a serious question, we count in tens and hundreds of ones and thousands. White technically the same amounts, 200 is not generally seen as twenty tens and 5000 as fifty hundreds.

Do North Americans not say forty-eight hundred rather than four thousand, eight hundred?

@guyfleegman
I can't see myself introducing a .50 chip to a tournament I'm afraid

 

[Taghkanic]

slightly concerned that the high value denoms will cause issues and confusion.

If your players are ever going to play in a casino or even a firehouse/VFW tournament, they would benefit from getting used to standard tourney denoms.

It will only take 1-2 games (maybe only a few orbits) for them to adjust.

 

[guyfleegman]

Do North Americans not say forty-eight hundred rather than four thousand, eight hundred?

@guyfleegman
I can't see myself introducing a .50 chip to a tournament I'm afraid

You lack imagination, darling!

 

[mipevi]

Do North Americans not say forty-eight hundred rather than four thousand, eight hundred?

Then why do they not say fifty hundred?

And this is how you would justify saying forty-eight tens (480) as well?

 

[FearlessFred]

Then why do they not say fifty hundred?

And this is how you would justify saying forty-eight tens (480) as well?

I'd imagine with 50/100/500/2500 almost all bets would be called in hundreds

 

[LeLe]

Thoughts

 

[mipevi]

I'd imagine with 50/100/500/2500 almost all bets would be called in hundreds

Why is T25 or T25000 more intuitive than t250 or t2500?

Yeah... Have fun playing with your North American playgroup in London then, I guess?

If you want to make a weird set, go right ahead. I promise you, nobody cares. You asked for opinions but didn't like them, it happens. Either listen to what you are being told or stop asking and just make the set already.

 

[FearlessFred]

Yeah... Have fun playing with your North American playgroup in London then, I guess?

If you want to make a weird set, go right ahead. I promise you, nobody cares. You asked for opinions but didn't like them, it happens. Either listen to what you are being told or stop asking and just make the set already.

The point was that almost all poker conventions and culture are from the States.

I haven't heard a reason to disuede me from 50/100/500/2500 so I'll likely go with that when the time comes.

 

[ekricket]

The point was that almost all poker conventions and culture are from the States.

Well, it was developed here.

I just can’t imagine someone in the 1800’s (eighteen hundreds is how I say it) inventing a game in the US and then thinking “I ought to introduce some not yet developed European culture and conventions to this game!!”

 

[Eriks]

You’re worried that sets that have been proven to work excellent will cause issues and confusion, yet your solution clearly gives everyone in this thread a headache.

It’s your money, just seems weird. If you wanna make it more efficient by going from T500 to T2500, why do T50 to T100 rather than T25 to T100?

 

[FearlessFred]

You’re worried that sets that have been proven to work excellent will cause issues and confusion, yet your solution clearly gives everyone in this thread a headache.

It’s your money, just seems weird. If you wanna make it more efficient by going from T500 to T2500, why do T50 to T100 rather than T25 to T100?

In standard denoms we all know that the 500 to 1000 is the inefficient jump. In a T500 set this is minimised by only using a few 500s to allow for smoother early blind levels and there are many other reasons I believe it to be the superior setup.

This 300 chip set can support 8 players with perfect colour ups.

Starting stacks of 6/12/12/5 for T200,000

50 x 500
100 x 1000
100 x 5000
50 x 25000

As you can see, a lot of superfluous zeros...

 

[PseudoPsanity]

I agree with your argument, both about the efficiency of T500 and about the unnecessary zeros. But I would consider having chips labeled "500", "1k", "5k" and "25k". The "k" eliminates the extra zeroes but the chips are still in standard denominations people are familiar with. Seems like a best of both worlds.

 

[Eriks]

In standard denoms we all know that the 500 to 1000 is the inefficient jump. In a T500 set this is minimised by only using a few 500s to allow for smoother early blind levels and there are many other reasons I believe it to be the superior setup.

This 300 chip set can support 8 players with perfect colour ups.

Starting stacks of 6/12/12/5 for T200,000

50 x 500
100 x 1000
100 x 5000
50 x 25000

As you can see, a lot of superfluous zeros...

Logically, I agree about making the more efficient jumps but the weirdness of those denoms have proven difficult to overcome.

Slightly less inefficient sets but with more intuitive denoms is the way to go for most. But we can’t all swim with the current. Hopefully your players will adapt