Tourney T25k and T100k vs. T10k and T50k (2 Viewers)

[Deucekies]

Most tournament sets that go into high demons use T25ks and T100ks, but occasionally you see a tournament stack go in the T10k and T50k direction instead.

What are the benefits and drawbacks of either or?

The WSOP has long stuck to the T25k and T100k, but the T10k and T50k do still show up here and there.

 

[allforcharity]

If your progression goes T100, T500, T2000, then it makes perfect sense to continue with T10k and T50k.

 

[BGinGA]

Long ago......

Some casino cash chip sets had $1000 and $5000 chips, along with $10,000 and $50,000 chips to accomodate the high rollers.

When they started making dedicated tourney sets, some of those denominations carried over ($100,000 and $250,000 chips, too).

Eventually they got smarter (more efficient) and went with 1000, 5000, 25,000, and 100,000 denominations for both cash and tournaments, along with 500,000, 1,000,000, and 5,000,000 denoms for very large tournament fields.

 

[Deucekies]

It's interesting seeing the chip progressions at the WSOP main event as recently as 2007.

2000-4: 25-100-500-1k-5k-10k-25k
2005: 25-100-500-1k-5k-10k-50k
2006: 25-100-500-1k-5k-10k-25k-100k
2007: 25-100-500-1k-5k-25k-50k-100k-250k

The 5k-10k-25k is such a bizarre progression, I'm surprised it lasted four years.

 

[MC_CPA]

Howdy friends, how do I decide if a tournament set "needs" 100k chips on top of the 25k chips? Does total chips in play have to exceed $2 or $3M to even consider 100k chips, or do the blinds have to be 100k before i should consider them?

The reason I like having larger chips because IMO it makes counting others stacks easier. Id rather count (5) T100k than have to rember that (20) T25k is the same amount. So imo it's fine to have them even if blinds are only 20k/40k or 40k/60k.

Like is there a "final table should have at most X racks between 8 ppl, dwindled down to y racks when theres only 2 or 3 left"?

 

[Tonystark137]

Howdy friends, how do I decide if a tournament set "needs" 100k chips on top of the 25k chips? Does total chips in play have to exceed $2 or $3M to even consider 100k chips, or do the blinds have to be 100k before i should consider them?

The reason I like having larger chips because IMO it makes counting others stacks easier. Id rather count (5) T100k than have to rember that (20) T25k is the same amount. So imo it's fine to have them even if blinds are only 20k/40k or 40k/60k.

Like is there a "final table should have at most X racks between 8 ppl, dwindled down to y racks when theres only 2 or 3 left"?

@BGinGA is probably your POC for this one.

My guess is depends on level progression / size of the player field / duration of the tournament.

Personally rather have (20) T25Ks rather one than (5) T100k cause more chips.

I imagine the muti day tournaments with a bigger field/more rebuys would require more upper denominations.

 

[BGinGA]

Howdy friends, how do I decide if a tournament set "needs" 100k chips on top of the 25k chips? Does total chips in play have to exceed $2 or $3M to even consider 100k chips, or do the blinds have to be 100k before i should consider them?

The reason I like having larger chips because IMO it makes counting others stacks easier. Id rather count (5) T100k than have to rember that (20) T25k is the same amount. So imo it's fine to have them even if blinds are only 20k/40k or 40k/60k.

Like is there a "final table should have at most X racks between 8 ppl, dwindled down to y racks when theres only 2 or 3 left"?

The problem with having 5x T100k chips vs 20x T25k chips is the inability of those T100k chips to construct any bet sizes smaller than 100k (such as 25k, 50k, 75k, or any multiple of T5k chips). Having multiples of smaller denoms is always the more flexible and efficient choice vs just a few inflexible large denoms.

In general, theoretically, a final table should have roughly 10-to-15 chips per player of the two lowest denominations still in play to ensure proper and efficient game-play (so roughly 200-300+ total chips for 10 players). Once table size is down to just 3-4 players, a total chip count between 80-200 chips (2 denoms) is best, with 120-160 total typically considered optimal (~ 80/20 to 90/10 split).

Most T25-base sets will never need T25k chips, or could, at most, use just a few. Most T100-base sets can efficiently utilize T25k chips, but will not need T100k chips. Even a T500-base set does not require T100k chips for efficient play, unless starting stacks or field sizes are very large.

A T1000-base set will typically benefit from introducing T100k chips in later stages, but the workhorse chips even at those levels are typically just the T5000 and T25k chips.