Tourney STT Breakdown/Structure w/Constraints: 300 Chips / 3 Denoms (1 Viewer)

[TheOffalo]

Does the following breakdown/structure look decent, if you had to work within the constraints of having only 300 chips in only 3 denominations? Like to try running small/quick tournaments when my home game group wants to take a break from cash games.

300 Tournament Chips (buying in barrels)

T25 x3 75 T100 x5 125 T500 x4 100

9-Player Freezeout Tournament

T25 x 8 = T200 ( 3 chips remaining) T100 x13 = T1300 ( 8 chips remaining) T500 x 8 = T4000 (28 chips remaining)

T5500 / 29 chips per player | 261 chips on table

25/50
100% increase
50/100
50% increase
75/150
33% increase
100/200
50% increase
150/300
33% increase | color up T25 x72 (T1800) w/T100 x8 (0 left) + T500 x2 (26 left) | 199 chips on table
200/400
50% increase
300/600
33% increase
400/800
50% increase
600/1200
33% increase
800/1600
25% increase | color up T100 x125 (T12500) w/T500 x25 (1 left) | 99 chips on table
1000/2000
50% increase
1500/3000
33% increase
2000/4000
50% increase
3000/6000
33% increase
4000/8000

I know it's a hassle putting out so many T500s to pay 3000/6000 or higher, but I anticipate players chopping by the time those blinds are reached.

(Please let me know if I'm not using any terminologies correctly.)

 

[kaimat]

Looks like it would work

 

[TheOffalo]

Oops, can't edit the post anymore. Was going to correct "barrels" to "rolls of 25". I thought they were interchangeable, but "barrels" are 20 chips (1/5 of a rack), while many vendors sell chips in "rolls" of 25, I think...?

Thanks @kaimat! Glad for extra pairs of more experienced eyes to make sure I didn't miss anything or set things up in an untenable way--like not having enough chips to color up, or something I haven't even thought of!

 

[Beakertwang]

I’m assuming you already have the chips in the quantities you mentioned. If not, I’d replace a roll of the 500’s with 1000’s.

If you want starting stacks to be a bit deeper, start blinds at 25/25, 25/50, 25/75, 50/100, etc. That may keep it from becoming a shove fest too early. But if you want a turbo tourney, it should work fine.

 

[TheOffalo]

I’m assuming you already have the chips in the quantities you mentioned. If not, I’d replace a roll of the 500’s with 1000’s.

If you want starting stacks to be a bit deeper, start blinds at 25/25, 25/50, 25/75, 50/100, etc. That may keep it from becoming a shove fest too early. But if you want a turbo tourney, it should work fine.

Thanks @Beakertwang! I actually don't have the chips already. I mean I have chips already, but it's my cash set and I don't want to use them for tournaments. I was thinking of getting cheap chips w/denoms from DPS--$2 for a roll of 25 means I can put together 300 tournament chips for $24.

We probably want it to be turbo-ish, as the idea's to play these to break up a marathon day of cash games. (Playing poker as a break from poker! )

Okay, so if I replace a roll of T500s w/T1000s, then I can add one more player. I'm picturing something like this:

T25 x3 75 T100 x5 125 T500 x3 75 T1000 x1 25

10-Max Freezeout Tournament

Up to 9 Players:
T25 x 8 = T200 ( 3 chips remaining) T100 x13 = T1300 ( 8 chips remaining) T500 x 6 = T3000 (21 chips remaining) T1000 x 1 = T1000 (16 chips remaining)
T5500 / 28 chips per player

10th Player:
T25 x 3 = T75 ( 0 chips remaining) T100 x 4 = T400 ( 4 chips remaining) T500 x 6 = T3000 (15 chips remaining) T1000 x 2 = T2000 (14 chips remaining)
T5475 / 15 chips for 10th player | low card gets this stack

267 chips on table to start.

Color up T25 x75 (T1875) w/T100 x4 (0 left) + T500 x3 (12 left) after Level 5 (will race/round the 3xT25 to a T100). 199 chips on table after first color up.

Color up T100 x125 (T12500) w/T500 x7 (5 left) + T1000 x 9 (4 left) after Level 10. Can play with the T500:T1000 ratio, maybe 9:8 or 11:7 if I want more T500s on the table, or 5:10 or 3:11 or 1:12 if I want more T1000s on the table.

87-92 chips on the table after second color up, depending on ratio of T500:T1000.

Does that look okay or do you have other breakdown/color-up ideas?

 

[TheOffalo]

Color up T100 x125 (T12500) w/T500 x7 (5 left) + T1000 x 9 (4 left) after Level 10. Can play with the T500:T1000 ratio, maybe 9:8 or 11:7 if I want more T500s on the table, or 5:10 or 3:11 or 1:12 if I want more T1000s on the table.

Can't edit my post anymore, but I realized I made a mistake. If I used 9x T1000s to color up here, I'd have 5 left, not 4.

That said, before the color-up we'd already have 63x T500s on the table. So I probably want to add as many T1000s as possible. I couldd color up with 1x T500 and 12x T1000s, which would would mean a total of 23x T100s on the table. And I could also take 4 more T500s off and add the remaining 2 T1000s.

 

[ekricket]

Thanks @Beakertwang! I actually don't have the chips already. I mean I have chips already, but it's my cash set and I don't want to use them for tournaments. I was thinking of getting cheap chips w/denoms from DPS--$2 for a roll of 25 means I can put together 300 tournament chips for $24.

We probably want it to be turbo-ish, as the idea's to play these to break up a marathon day of cash games. (Playing poker as a break from poker! )

Okay, so if I replace a roll of T500s w/T1000s, then I can add one more player. I'm picturing something like this:

T25 x3 75 T100 x5 125 T500 x3 75 T1000 x1 25

10-Max Freezeout Tournament

Up to 9 Players:
T25 x 8 = T200 ( 3 chips remaining) T100 x13 = T1300 ( 8 chips remaining) T500 x 6 = T3000 (21 chips remaining) T1000 x 1 = T1000 (16 chips remaining)
T5500 / 28 chips per player

10th Player:
T25 x 3 = T75 ( 0 chips remaining) T100 x 4 = T400 ( 4 chips remaining) T500 x 6 = T3000 (15 chips remaining) T1000 x 2 = T2000 (14 chips remaining)
T5475 / 15 chips for 10th player | low card gets this stack

267 chips on table to start.

Color up T25 x75 (T1875) w/T100 x4 (0 left) + T500 x3 (12 left) after Level 5 (will race/round the 3xT25 to a T100). 199 chips on table after first color up.

Color up T100 x125 (T12500) w/T500 x7 (5 left) + T1000 x 9 (4 left) after Level 10. Can play with the T500:T1000 ratio, maybe 9:8 or 11:7 if I want more T500s on the table, or 5:10 or 3:11 or 1:12 if I want more T1000s on the table.

87-92 chips on the table after second color up, depending on ratio of T500:T1000.

Does that look okay or do you have other breakdown/color-up ideas?

Hey if they aren’t denominated - or at least one color isn’t - you can do this little trick

Start your tourney with the three denominations, but color up one of the colors at a break. Then use that color as your high value chip, like a $1000. I’ve played like this on cruise ships before, with three colors of chips only. The greens were $25 until after the first color up, then they were the $1000 after that. Blah blah blah about people hiding them and reintroducing them later, nobody - NOBODY - ever does this and if they do it’s your fault for playing with such low life shit head douchebags.

 

[TheOffalo]

Hey if they aren’t denominated - or at least one color isn’t - you can do this little trick

Start your tourney with the three denominations, but color up one of the colors at a break. Then use that color as your high value chip, like a $1000. I’ve played like this on cruise ships before, with three colors of chips only. The greens were $25 until after the first color up, then they were the $1000 after that. Blah blah blah about people hiding them and reintroducing them later, nobody - NOBODY - ever does this and if they do it’s your fault for playing with such low life shit head douchebags.

I think that might be a recipe for disaster, not because I think anyone in my home game would cheat, but because they might get confused.

I do really want to stick to 3 denoms, and I don't like that going from $500 chips to $1000 chips is only 2x rather than the more standard 4-5x, but I liked @Beakertwang's idea. Will have to think on it.

Too bad $2500 chips aren't more popular!

 

[JJJGabriel]

I know you said only 3 denominations, but I like this solution a lot. Stolen from the poker set selection tool, in the resources. A suggested blind schedule is also there.

 

[TheOffalo]

I know you said only 3 denominations, but I like this solution a lot. Stolen from the poker set selection tool, in the resources. A suggested blind schedule is also there.

Thanks, that's a very cool tool! Since I'm gonna buy new tournament chips and they sell them by rolls of 25, those recommended numbers for T1000 and T5000 are tough because I'd have to buy just under or a decent amount over the rec.

A few comments up I do post a potential 4 denom breakdown using 25/100/500/1000 chips in increments of the 25 that I have to buy them in. I'll have to figure out if I wanna go with that or with the 3 denom breakdown in my OP.

 

[Mr Winberg]

I know it's a hassle putting out so many T500s to pay 3000/6000 or higher, but I anticipate players chopping by the time those blinds are reached

The tourneys will most likely end before the 1500/3000 level. If you ever reached the 3k/6k level there would be only about 8 big blinds on the table, i.e. 4 each if the stacks are even. Not many check raises on the river in that scenario.

I like your suggestion, I think it works for the intended purpose. If you're looking for alternatives, how about:
100×T5
100×T25
75×T100
25×T500

Stacks of 10/10/7 gives each player T1000, or 100 big blinds. You can add a T500 to the stacks and bump it up to T1500 or 150 big blinds.

For ten player freezouts, only the T5 and T25 will get colored off, the T100 will stay. That's 100×5+100×25=3000, i.e. 6 T500 are needed, so stacks of T2000 can't be used since only 5 T500 would be left in the bank. With 9 players, however, 2k stacks will work just fine since 7 would be left.

 

[GetUrShineBox]

Thanks @Beakertwang! I actually don't have the chips already. I mean I have chips already, but it's my cash set and I don't want to use them for tournaments. I was thinking of getting cheap chips w/denoms from DPS--$2 for a roll of 25 means I can put together 300 tournament chips for $24.

We probably want it to be turbo-ish, as the idea's to play these to break up a marathon day of cash games. (Playing poker as a break from poker! )

Okay, so if I replace a roll of T500s w/T1000s, then I can add one more player. I'm picturing something like this:

T25 x3 75 T100 x5 125 T500 x3 75 T1000 x1 25

10-Max Freezeout Tournament

Up to 9 Players:
T25 x 8 = T200 ( 3 chips remaining) T100 x13 = T1300 ( 8 chips remaining) T500 x 6 = T3000 (21 chips remaining) T1000 x 1 = T1000 (16 chips remaining)
T5500 / 28 chips per player

10th Player:
T25 x 3 = T75 ( 0 chips remaining) T100 x 4 = T400 ( 4 chips remaining) T500 x 6 = T3000 (15 chips remaining) T1000 x 2 = T2000 (14 chips remaining)
T5475 / 15 chips for 10th player | low card gets this stack

267 chips on table to start.

Color up T25 x75 (T1875) w/T100 x4 (0 left) + T500 x3 (12 left) after Level 5 (will race/round the 3xT25 to a T100). 199 chips on table after first color up.

Color up T100 x125 (T12500) w/T500 x7 (5 left) + T1000 x 9 (4 left) after Level 10. Can play with the T500:T1000 ratio, maybe 9:8 or 11:7 if I want more T500s on the table, or 5:10 or 3:11 or 1:12 if I want more T1000s on the table.

87-92 chips on the table after second color up, depending on ratio of T500:T1000.

Does that look okay or do you have other breakdown/color-up ideas?

Starting stacks of $5500 would tilt me. Why not just get 75 more $1k's for $6 and start with 10k stacks?

 

[Mr Winberg]

Starting stacks of $5500 would tilt me. Why not just get 75 more $1k's for $6 and start with 10k stacks?

375 chips would tilt me, add an extra roll for $2!

 

[GetUrShineBox]

375 chips would tilt me, add an extra roll for $2!

Definitely!!!

 

[TheOffalo]

Starting stacks of $5500 would tilt me. Why not just get 75 more $1k's for $6 and start with 10k stacks?

Haha, I thought that might tick someone off. I'd probably just remove a T500 and make it T5000 even, which would be 100BB anyway.

375 chips would tilt me, add an extra roll for $2!

At those prices, I should, but I'm trying to keep this tournament set relatively small!

 

[JJJGabriel]

Thanks, that's a very cool tool! Since I'm gonna buy new tournament chips and they sell them by rolls of 25, those recommended numbers for T1000 and T5000 are tough because I'd have to buy just under or a decent amount over the rec.

A few comments up I do post a potential 4 denom breakdown using 25/100/500/1000 chips in increments of the 25 that I have to buy them in. I'll have to figure out if I wanna go with that or with the 3 denom breakdown in my OP.

You could adapt that breakdown for rolls of 25.
One alternative would be:
100 x T100 (10/player)
50 x T500 (4/player + 10 to color up the T100)
75 x T1000 (7/player + 5 to color up the T100)
75 x T5000 (5 to color up the T500 + up to 7/player, or 2~4/player + extras for rebuys/add-ons)
This way you could have starting stacks as big as T45k (or T50k if 9-handed and not coloring up the T500). Imo, T100 based sets are the most efficient.

 

[JJJGabriel]

If you wanna stick with 300 chips and 3 denoms, then you could go with (considering 9-handed play):
75 x T25 (8/player)
150 x T100 (13/player + extras to color up T25)
75 x T500 (7/player)
This would sum up to T5k starting stacks, but wouldn’t be so efficient, with a few unused T100 and T500.

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

T25 x 100
T100 x 100
T500 x 100

STT 5000 freezeout - 10 players :
- 5 players get 12/12/7
- 5 players get 8/8/8

You've 25 x T5000 left.
You'll can use them like this :
- to color-up the T25
- to color-up the T100

For the structure you can have :
25-25 (if you want to start 200BB deep)
25-50
25-75
50-100
75-150
100-200
150-300
## chip race the T25
200-400
300-600
400-800
600-1200
800-1600
## chip race the T100
1000-2000
1500-3000 --> should end here

If you want to play with rebuys, make 2500 stacks (12/12/2 and 8/8/3) and issue one rebuy per player max as 5 x 500.

 

[JustinInMN]

I do really want to stick to 3 denoms, and I don't like that going from $500 chips to $1000 chips is only 2x rather than the more standard 4-5x, but I liked @Beakertwang's idea. Will have to think on it.

If you do make the decision to get T1000 chips then you can deal with the 2x jump by using fewer T500 chips.

Your buy could be 75/75/50/100 of T25/100/500/1000. Starting stacks of 8/8/4/2 for T5000 starting stacks and plenty of extra T1000 for color ups or if you want to run a T10K starting tournament.

All that said, I think 3 colors is fine if you are sure you are good with 9 players and T5000 stacks and your tournament would usually end right around 1000-2000.

Too bad $2500 chips aren't more popular!

A lot of digital ink has been spilled on PCF about T2000 chips if you are so inclined .