Tourney Setting up a turbo tourney (2 Viewers)

[Regularjohn]

Need some help...

Recently had to move farther away (not by much, but still) so I wanted to make poker night a little more worth everyone's while. We usually just played cash, so I was thinking about have a single table turbo to kick off the night... Tourney noob questions below...

• How long should I budget time? 2 hours?
• Allow rebuys? Or would having a turbo defeat the purpose?
• Blind structure and timing?
• For a single table tourney, best chip set up? Was thinking of getting a small royals set.

 

[Regularjohn]

Bump

Also just bought this STT set, 2k starting stacks, smallest denom is 5

 

[natumes]

Maybe not anything specific to turbo, but lots of info about 2k tourneys can be found here: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/2k-tourney-t5-base.59158/

 

[Mr Winberg]

Back when I did turbos we started with 3k stacks, 12/12/3, the blind levels where 12 minutes and the levels where:

25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
- color off T25, but no break -
200/400
300/600
400/800
600/1200 usually ended here
800/1600 or here

We only needed T25, T100, and T500.

My 2 cents

 

[JustinInMN]

Excellent breakdown, @Mr Winberg . Turbos are hard to pull off, but this one still has a 60BB starting stack. 12 minute orbits are tight if more than 6 handed. The risk that the deal won't get around the table.

But honestly if you play cash, just play cash .

 

[Regularjohn]

Back when I did turbos we started with 3k stacks, 12/12/3, the blind levels where 12 minutes and the levels where:

25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
- color off T25, but no break -
200/400
300/600
400/800
600/1200 usually ended here
800/1600 or here

We only needed T25, T100, and T500.

My 2 cents

Good suggestion, how long did they usually last?

Excellent breakdown, @Mr Winberg . Turbos are hard to pull off, but this one still has a 60BB starting stack. 12 minute orbits are tight if more than 6 handed. The risk that the deal won't get around the table.

But honestly if you play cash, just play cash .

Good point. I was trying to mix it up a little. Might try it out and see how it goes. If it sucks, back to cash only lol

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

My turbo structure

Starting stack : T5000
Assuming 10 players

25-50
25-75
50-100
75-150
100-200
150-300
// color-up 25
200-400
300-600
400-800
600-1200
800-1600
// color-up 100
1000-2000
1500-3000 // should end here or in level before 10 handed freezeout

12 levels of play.
Make 15' levels and you are good with 3 hours of play
Just make sure you play with 2 decks because 15' levels is quite short.

 

[JustinInMN]

Good suggestion, how long did they usually last?

Well he indicated 10 levels * 12 minutes so about 2 hours.

Good point. I was trying to mix it up a little. Might try it out and see how it goes. If it sucks, back to cash only lol

Right, tournaments eliminate players by design. Some players are going to be busted an hour before it ends.

12 levels of play.
Make 15' levels and you are good with 3 hours of play

I think we need to define terms, but 3 hours doesn't seem like a "turbo" to me. (But granted, it's a matter of perspective.) When I think turbo, I think 60-90 mins. But that is tough to structure.

My suggestion to fit that would be 8 players, T2000 stack (12/12/1 of T25/100/500) starting at 25-50 (40BB start)

16 minute levels.
25-50
25-75
50-100,
75-150,
(Expected end during previous or next level, 0h48 - 1h20 elapsed)
100-200

Additional levels if necessary (should be rare)

150-300
200-400
(still under 1h52.)

In other words, the best way to ensure a quick end is to skip the "deep stack" portion and get a stack depth (40BB) that simulates the mid game. You could do rebuys, but that would add to the tournament. I would only permit that for 1-2 levels tops.

 

[Mr Winberg]

12 minute orbits are tight if more than 6 handed. The risk that the deal won't get around the table.

Yeah, I agree, and we were 10 players! We played this way during the poker boom to get 2-3 tourneys in per night. I don't do turbos any more...

Good suggestion, how long did they usually last?

Someone did the math for you :

Well he indicated 10 levels * 12 minutes so about 2 hours.

Some good advice here:

Just make sure you play with 2 decks

Always true, and even more so for turbos!

 

[Regularjohn]

Well he indicated 10 levels * 12 minutes so about 2 hours.



Right, tournaments eliminate players by design. Some players are going to be busted an hour before it ends.



I think we need to define terms, but 3 hours doesn't seem like a "turbo" to me. (But granted, it's a matter of perspective.) When I think turbo, I think 60-90 mins. But that is tough to structure.

My suggestion to fit that would be 8 players, T2000 stack (12/12/1 of T25/100/500) starting at 25-50 (40BB start)

16 minute levels.
25-50
25-75
50-100,
75-150,
(Expected end during previous or next level, 0h48 - 1h20 elapsed)
100-200

Additional levels if necessary (should be rare)

150-300
200-400
(still under 1h52.)

In other words, the best way to ensure a quick end is to skip the "deep stack" portion and get a stack depth (40BB) that simulates the mid game. You could do rebuys, but that would add to the tournament. I would only permit that for 1-2 levels tops.

This would fit perfectly, since I cap our games at 8 people and have a STT set that allows for 2000 starting stacks.

The 2nd level says 25-75, is that a typo or intentional?

Also how do you normally do the prize pool with this?

 

[JustinInMN]

The 2nd level says 25-75, is that a typo or intentional?

Intentional. The small blind and big blind don't always have to be 1:2, increasing the big blind to 75 instead of 100 makes it so there is a step between the average stack being 40BB to 20BB.

A lot of suggested structures on PCF work like this to avoid that "early double."

 

[JustinInMN]

Also how do you normally do the prize pool with this?

I personally like this, ymmv

1-4 entries 1st:100%
5-8 entries 1st:70%, 2nd:30%
9-13 entries 1st:55%, 2nd:25%, 3rd:15%

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

My turbo structure

Starting stack : T5000
Assuming 10 players

25-50
25-75
50-100
75-150
100-200
150-300
// color-up 25
200-400
300-600
400-800
600-1200
800-1600
// color-up 100
1000-2000
1500-3000 // should end here or in level before 10 handed freezeout

12 levels of play.
Make 15' levels and you are good with 3 hours of play
Just make sure you play with 2 decks because 15' levels is quite short.

If 3 hours is too long, you can trick it like this :

Starting stack = 2500
Add level 25-25 to my structure
With 8 players it shall end at level at level 400-800 or 600-1200

This means 10 or 11 levels of play.
15' levels --> 2:30 to 2:45 of play max
12' levels --> 2:00 to 2:12 of play max

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

I personally like this, ymmv

1-4 entries 1st:100%
5-8 entries 1st:70%, 2nd:30%
9-13 entries 1st:55%, 2nd:25%, 3rd:15%

I do the same except that I do 50/30/20 % for 9+ players.